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[ralaro]

RD slams his current drivers

FA to new chellenges

MS surrounding Norbert Haug last summer

RD says two champions in Mclaren 2007

Two competitive cars

Vodafone...

Mercedes...

130R...


Great indeed
a new Senna Prost
no way to be better

[Menace]

Dream on...

[giddyup409]

how else is ron going to field 2 world champions in 2007?;)

[metz]

ralaro,
You should NOT be drinking as long as you are still taking your medication...

giddyup409
the answer is FA and JV...;)

[giddyup409]

Originally posted by metz
giddyup409
the answer is FA and JV...;)

now for that to happen we need to double doze ralaro's serving

[fifi]

cant see it happening

[rfus]

If schumi doesn't retire at the end of 2006 we can pretty much be guaranteed one of

Alonso/MS at Mac
Alonso/Kimi at Mac
MS/Kimi at Ferrari

If he doesn't retire fans of the sport can't really go wrong. As a Kimi/Mac fan im gunning for Alonso/Kimi as I think beating MS would loose some prestiege as he is in the twilight of his career where Kimi and Alonso aren't plus the two guys that are likely to dominate once Schumi retires driving for mac can't be bad

*edit* I know Alonso/MS is a bit of a long shot, but it makes the list look good

[ralaro]

THIS IS THE REAL DEAL

think again


Read carefully this post and put your money


Danke

[ralaro]

MS to retire being the best and beating that fast kid

How much money Mercedes and Vodafone should put?

[giacomo]

Originally posted by metz
giddyup409
the answer is FA and JV...;)

Or a Hakkinen comeback.

Or even a comeback of Alain Prost?

[Tubbs]

Originally posted by rfus
If schumi doesn't retire at the end of 2006 we can pretty much be guaranteed one of

Alonso/MS at Mac

Not gonna happen. MS is not stupid and switch from Ferrari to face a WDC at another team.

[B)
MS/Kimi at Ferrari [/B]

This is also a pure fantasy despite MS PR talk to the contrary. MS would never allow Kimi to have a go at the same team with equal backing at this stage of his career especially and KR will never accept a clear #2 status. That's after all one of the reasons why he went to McLaren after 2001 and not Ferrari.

[ralaro]

Both WDC and both new at Mc

[davegp3]

Originally posted by metz
ralaro,


giddyup409
the answer is FA and JV...;)

Ron is not proven to be a masochist, so I don't think JV will be there


Alonso- Schumi in McLaren 2007 would be nice but it won't happen. Ferrari is Michael's last team in F1.

[Rob76]

MS was not interested in facing a top driver as a teammate on equal terms when he was in his prime, why would he in his last couple of seasons in his late 30s? He certainly doesn't need the money. The only thing I can think of is to finally prove himself against another champion on equal terms, as despite his amazing stats, many still hold this question mark over his F1 career. But again, why take on that challenge so late in his career (when he could be considered past his best)?

Doesn't add up to me, but stranger things have happened in F1.

[F1 Tor.]

Originally posted by davegp3



Ron is not proven to be a masochist, so I don't think JV will be there


Alonso- Schumi in McLaren 2007 would be nice but it won't happen. Ferrari is Michael's last team in F1.

You know, NOTHING would surprise me anymore. If anyone had mentioned Alonso driving for Mac a few months ago they'd be laughed at. Michael has always stated Ferrari would be his last team. Now there is a big but there imo and what it suggests is is that's his last team WHILE THEY REMAIN COMPETITIVE. There is no way Michael's going to stick around and have another year or 2 like the one he just had. He wants to win and if he decides he wants to continue and Ferrari is still struggling(I don't think they will be) then I can see him moving. 2006 will be a monumental year for Michael and deciding what it is he wants to do. Michael would dearly love another WDC and go out on top and he's got feelers out there trying to figure out who's going to give him the best shot at it. He isn't stupid and for people to think he isn't talking to major players would be naive on their part. His options are very close to his chest I'm sure. Now, of course if Ferrari come up with the goods next year then all bets are off. He stays where he is and tries to win again until he calls it a day.

[giacomo]

Originally posted by Rob76
MS was not interested in facing a top driver as a teammate on equal terms when he was in his prime, why would he in his last couple of seasons in his late 30s? He certainly doesn't need the money. The only thing I can think of is to finally prove himself against another champion on equal terms, as despite his amazing stats, many still hold this question mark over his F1 career. But again, why take on that challenge so late in his career (when he could be considered past his best)?

I really wonder why Schumacher always is blamed for having refused to drive against a strong teammate.

I never heard that Schumacher ever rejected to drive alongside any driver. Also I never heard that Schumacher is the man to decide about the second Ferrari driver.

[Cittànuova]

Is it true that Schumacher almost went to McLaren in 1999? But Ron Dennis wasn't willing to give Schumacher the no .1 status he wanted and it would take too much of his budget.

I really really can't see Michael moving to McLaren or Red Bull Ferrari.
He is going to finish his career with Ferrari.

[giacomo]

I could imagine following scenario for 2007: Raikkonen alongside Massa at Ferrari, and Schumacher alongside Coulthard (or Klien) at RedBull.

Mateschitz is doing his business seriously. The signing of Newey proved it.
And Schumacher driving a Newey car is an exciting idea.

[GadgetMan]

I will say this about Michael Schumacher: He appears to have changed a lot in the last few years. With all his achievements in the bank (the only record missing is the pole position record), it's like he's really driving more for the fun of it now than for achieving additional records.

The irony of it all is that adopting such a frame of mind might very well allow him to achieve yet more records in F1 and prolong his career by a few more years.

Nothing will surprise me from Michael Schumacher anymore. The guy is truly phenomenal and those who think he's past his prime better reconsider. 2006 could very well see the revival of the Ferrari/Schumacher domination... What he might have lost in terms of raw speed through the passage of time, he is more than making up with experience.

On the other hand, his association with Ferrari might never be equalled in terms of the level of success they have produced together and this why I think he will finish his career with Ferrari and the guys with whom he has worked all these years in making Ferrari one of the strongest teams in the history of F1. Michael Schumacher's career in F1 is all about dedication, hard work, consistency and ultimate success.

I might have not liked some of his tactics in the past but, in retrospect, this guy has achieved success on and off the track, which is a rare deed. He is a cunning combattant and if it's true that he was able to convince his bosses to give him special status within the team, whether by contract or not, well, more power to him. Let's put it this way, nobody would have bought it had he not been a superior driver anyway... The best ones make their own luck... This guy is the total package.

GadgetMan

[bl-f1]

Originally posted by Cittànuova
Is it true that Schumacher almost went to McLaren in 1999? But Ron Dennis wasn't willing to give Schumacher the no .1 status he wanted and it would take too much of his budget.

I really really can't see Michael moving to McLaren or Red Bull Ferrari.
He is going to finish his career with Ferrari.

Unlikely FA has gone to McLaren without a clear No.1 status, even if KR stays on board. I have read RD's press statements saying that they want two world champions driving for McLaren in 2007 (what else could he say at this point?), but IMO FA going to McLaren effectively means KR and MS will not be driving for McLaren in 2007.

[Pinguin]

Indeed Ron's plan may well be to have 2 World Champions aboard in 2007 -Alonso & Montoya

[Rene]

I'd love to see it, but given MS's relationship with Ferrari, I really can't see him doing that to Todt (who loves him like a son) or LdM...

[SeanValen]

If MS were to change teams, he would of done it a long time ago, nothing is certain, but highly unlikely. His friends, and every relationship he's built up since 1996 is with Ferrari, it helps him as a driver, and a person, why walk away from that, it's his family in a way, 2nd family, not too many drivers I think have had that kinda of marriage to a team.

99.9% certainity I say, like there's air in your room, MS is with Ferrari to the end in f1. If he did sign lol, surprise and shock would be under whelming words to use.

[Ricardo F1]

Why would McLaren WANT Schumacher in 2007?

[boostpressure]

Originally posted by Ricardo F1
Why would McLaren WANT Schumacher in 2007?

because he will proove once again that he is THE top F1 pilot this year. lets see.......

[PhilKerr]

Schumacher would be crushed by Raikkonen or Montoya in equal status in the same team, Schumacher is still the 3rd best driver without doubt but he is not the driver he was so why would he go to McLaren aged 38 which he would be in 2007 and get his arse kicked into tomorrow ?

He will win this years title through what will be car superiority and then retire at the end of the season

[F1 Tor.]

Originally posted by Ricardo F1
Why would McLaren WANT Schumacher in 2007?

Yeah, you're right. No one at Mac would be excited or extra motivated.;)

[lustigson]

I don't buy it, but it WOULD be the coup of the decade, though.

[milliepuppy]

Jumpers for goal posts ............................

[Ricardo F1]

Originally posted by boostpressure


because he will proove once again that he is THE top F1 pilot this year. lets see.......

But I'm not sure McLaren care. Had they produced a reliable car last year Raikonnen would be WDC. If they produce one in 2007 Alonso will be WDC again (assuming Kimi leaves). Why bother with Schumachers pay packet?

[baddog]

I dont think Mclaren are interested in Michael now.. not because of any issues of ability or wages, but because there comes a point where there is too much water under the bridge.

Shaun

[Cojayar]

Originally posted by giddyup409
how else is ron going to field 2 world champions in 2007?;)

He thinks one of the Mac drivers can win the WDC this year and retain this driver for the next year.

[LePatron]

Originally posted by Ricardo F1
Why would McLaren WANT Schumacher in 2007?

I think more appropriately; why would Schumacher WANT to go to McLaren in 2007?

[Ricardo F1]

Originally posted by LePatron


I think more appropriately; why would Schumacher WANT to go to McLaren in 2007?

Well if they built a car like this year but reliable . . he'd probably have more fun than in this years Ferrari.

[Platipus]

Originally posted by rfus
If schumi doesn't retire at the end of 2006 we can pretty much be guaranteed one of

Alonso/MS at Mac
Alonso/Kimi at Mac
MS/Kimi at Ferrari

If he doesn't retire fans of the sport can't really go wrong. As a Kimi/Mac fan im gunning for Alonso/Kimi as I think beating MS would loose some prestiege as he is in the twilight of his career where Kimi and Alonso aren't plus the two guys that are likely to dominate once Schumi retires driving for mac can't be bad

*edit* I know Alonso/MS is a bit of a long shot, but it makes the list look good

who cares about?*

neither Mclaren or Ferrari will win in 2007!

[MONTOYASPEED]

Originally posted by Pinguin
Indeed Ron's plan may well be to have 2 World Champions aboard in 2007 -Alonso & Montoya

That's what I am talking about!

[sensible]

Originally posted by Tubbs


Not gonna happen. MS is not stupid and switch from Ferrari to face a WDC at another team.

why not? he's one of the 3 drivers currently driving who have been brave enough to join a team with a WDC already installed. Oh yeah, and super Kimi isnt one of them

[MrSlow]

Not a chance. Schumi have a great post-driving career with Ferrari waiting for him. If he would "betray" them and finish his career with the #1 enemy, that career would very likely suffer. He could not really be used by McLaren/Mercedes either since his name will forever be associated with Ferrari. Besides, we all know about the diffculties to integrate with a new team and I am sure both Ron and Schumi is aware of that and thus neither will be interested. Alonso is different, he is still young and able to learn new things

[Henri Greuter]

Originally posted by Cojayar

He thinks one of the Mac drivers can win the WDC this year and retain this driver for the next year.

Could be.
Ron has experience with signing up a former champ in the final stages of his career and that didn't work out too well.....
But enough other reasons (Many mentioned already) why MS would not go to McLaren anymore within this phase of his career.
Imagine how Ron has to swallow the humble pie in case the leaving McLaren driver is the 2006 champ. When Prost had the gust to play this trick on Ron he didn't like it at all....

And I am still not a 100% sure that Kimi is the one who'se leaving. Having seen the Season's review another time, JPM was on occasion utterly disappointing and not up to the Ron standards. Certainly when compared with Kimi.

Henri

[boostpressure]

Originally posted by Ricardo F1

But I'm not sure McLaren care. Had they produced a reliable car last year Raikonnen would be WDC. If they produce one in 2007 Alonso will be WDC again (assuming Kimi leaves). Why bother with Schumachers pay packet?

and if McLaren, Renault and Ferrari produce similar performing cars over the year, similar reliability and Schumacher romps it, you reckon they still wouldn't have him?

Mercedes would want him in an instant. Like they have wanted him for god knows how many years. Alonso is simply to cover Raikkonen leaving. They would see Schuey as a huge bonus they didn't expect before.

[serv]

Could we have a fantasy forum set up for all these threads with Schumi defecting to McLaren, Hakkinen making a comeback, Villeneuve winning a race or a championship, and Rossi manning the Ferrari seat #1.

[man from martinlaakso]

Tubbs, you wrote :"This is also a pure fantasy despite MS PR talk to the contrary. MS would never allow Kimi to have a go at the same team with equal backing at this stage of his career especially and KR will never accept a clear #2 status. That's after all one of the reasons why he went to McLaren after 2001 and not Ferrari."


Ferrari was the first top team to make an offer to Kimi in middle-season 2001. Naturally KR accepted it, although he would have been #2 driver for one year and only after that he would have been free to challenge MS. But still the change from Sauber to Ferrari would have been a major step upwards for KR. However KR had a contrat with Sauber for the 2002 season and so Peter Sauber could demand a big sum of money for Kimi and so Peter also did. The sum was too high for Ferrari and at that moment Ron Dennis came to the picture and promised Sauber nearly the sum (80%) this team was asking. More than half of the price was carried out by spare parts for the cars, which McLaren delivered to Sauber in years 2002-2004. Naturally KR accepted the only offer from a top team and went to McLaren. But McLaren was not Kimi's first choice, he just took it because he did not have good options. Now the situation is different.

[metz]

Originally posted by man from martinlaakso
Now the situation is different.

Always was...;)

[ralaro]

Schumi hails Alonso

Kimi Toyota or Ferrari


For sure MS will not challenge Nº 2 kimi with same equipment

He only want to beat Nº1

Danke

[black magic]

mclaren is the last team on the grid ms will be driving for in 2007.

he and ron don't get on. it would be a brand new team and also have to face a young pretender when he has turned 38.

why would he leave ferrari for mclaren. not money, not cause they're faster. he ahs kimi coming to ferrari so if its a challenge he wants then he merely has to stay.

sorry but just wont hapen.

[ralaro]

Scumacher says 99% to continue in Ferrari, not 100%, to be decided half season

Lauda says only 99% means big chances to left Ferrari


The posibilities grow.... perhaps exponential...

[Cittànuova]

Interesting that Schumacher says 99%, and not 100%. I always thought he would finish his career with Ferrari no matter what. Shows he is still hungry for more WDC's.

But I just can't see Schumacher moving to another team in 2007 even if Ferrari are uncompetitive this year.

Newey says he would like to work with Schumacher.