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#1 MortenF1

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Posted 16 February 2006 - 17:04

:clap: It is just three weeks to go now, before the action breaks loose in Bahrain! Months of hard work and preparation will be put to the test.

This years heavyweight showdown should be a real cracker of a season, and in addition to some new and interesting chassis/engine/tire combinations, we have also got a couple of new drivers to greet, and a revised weekend format. That obviously includes a new qualifying format of course...

So which teams have done their homework? -Here are my thoughts....

-Renault -

...have looked really strong in every test with their new R26. They have covered a lot of kilometres, even if they got their V8 running on track relatively late. But that doesn't seem to have hurt them at all, and they did not rest on their laurels while waiting for the new engine. -They used the R25 package to establish a good baseline for tyre and vehicle development. (They also found time to give some new drivers a test - Giorgio Mondini, Jose Maria Lopez and Robert Kubica - the latter impressed and got snapped up by BMW Sauber, to become their third driver.)
In all tests, Renault have been at, or very near the top of the times. And from the outside, more or less every test have been problem-free, only hick-up being that faulty rear wing.
Full laptimes from Barcelona and Jerez suggest that they have the fastest car. Fisichella, Alonso and their new test driver Kovalainen have all been really quick.
So once again, Renault and Alonso will have to start the season as favourites for both titles, and I would be more surprised to see them losing their titles, than scoring back-to-backs.
Alonso is still their man most likely to do it, but Fisichella should, and I think will be closer. Not only have the car been built with some of his preferences in mind, but as Alonso is leaving, he may find himself in a more favourable position in the team. (Maybe he will become Briatore's blue-eyed boy?) -But, he have to really convince this year, to keep his seat beyond 2006.

Renault wont get any victories for free though, Ferrari and Honda in particular, will run them close. Then in time, McLaren Mercedes should get in the mix.


-Ferrari -

Ferrari's new car, the F248, has clearly got pace, but it has suffered some problems. The basis is really good, and both Massa and Schumacher sound upbeat, but they have made a point of saying they need to find and maintain better reliability. But Ferrari haven't let some minor problems get in the way of getting a lot of work done; they have in addition to running the new car, also used the F2005 and the F2004M, with a V8 and a detuned V10.
The car with the V10 have been used to conduct lengthy tyre-evaluation work, and there is seemingly little between Bridgestone and Michelin now, but some of the traits the marques had in 2004, are once again evident.

Surely Ferrari can't build a bad car two years in a row? Nah, not likely, and nothing suggest the F248 is not up to it, or that it hasn't got potential. Ferrari will once again fight at the front consistently, and Schumacher should be able to trouble Alonso (Fisichella?) for the crown.
But what about Massa? Will he be strong enough for Ferrari to entertain thoughts of a getting the constructors title back? (if the car has the potential of course.) -I doubt that, but I do think that from time to time, he will turn heads and raise some eyebrows.


-Honda-

Following the Honda buy-out, we did not notice too much difference, which I suppose is good. Honda (B.A.R) again continued their trend of running an interim car, the "concept car", in testing. That has helped getting a read on new for '06-parts very early. Honda are namely back to being powerful and reliable.
I also believe that Button will be able to shut the critics, he WILL win this year. And so should Barrichello, who is probably the toughest team-mate Button has ever had.
Of further note is that Honda will have a third car out on Fridays this year, again Davidson has the role. With such a good car already, this could be a very important and decisive ingredient.

The continuity in Honda's (B.A.R) tech department is almost Ferrari-like, and together with the advantages of a third car, that should make 2006 a very good year, because the Honda RA106 has shown serious pace.
I think they will be able to trouble Renault here and there, but beating Ferrari and McLaren should probably be their target. That means they will fight for second in the constructors championship, but third is probably more realistic (testing has shown that they could beat either Ferrari or McLaren.) The Button-Barrichello combination is better than Schumacher-Massa though, so we'll see...

Going into 2005, they were runners-up, with more to lose than to gain. This year, that is turned on it's head.


-McLaren-Mercedes -

McLaren-Mercedes have once again suffered engine woesin pre-season testing. Mercedes were reluctant to agree to the V8 formula, and as reliabilty has always been their achilles heel, one can understand why. Making a relaible V8 has proved very difficult for them, but with the revised engine, things atleast seem to be going in the right direction. It is still a bit shaky, they need to cover some race-distances, and they also need more power. Haug has afterall, said that where they are now, is where they targeted to be in December. They are very much on the back foot in other words.

The McLaren chassis seems very good though, Räikkönen, Montoya and de la Rosa has been complimentary, saying it's got a lot of potential. de la Rosa has also said that despite all of their current problems, they should be able to fight for both titles eventually. But I atleast, fear that it will once again be too late before they have a fix. Räikkönen, and Montoya too of course, wont be happy.
But there have been some good news too, Vodafone and Alonso is onboard from 2007.
...But there have also been more bad news; Newey has left, and so will more important staff, rumour has it. Mind, McLaren have also recruited some good guys, so for the short term atleast, things should not be worrying. (And I think they will be good also in the longer term, such is the depth of the top teams engineering group.)
So I can't really see McLaren being quite fast enough, and certainly not reliable enough, to allow them to fight for the titles. They will fix the problems of course, and they will win races, but it will be a bit too late for a convincing assault on the championships. They will come on really strong after a few races, and stay strong, but I think they will only be in a fight for third in the CC. As I see it, the form Honda should have from the get-go, might prevent McLaren Mercedes from finishing higher.
As for the drivers; Räikkönen will again have the upper hand I think, but it might depend on what happens in 2007....


-Williams Cosworth -

Williams have enjoyed a very encouraging build-up to the season, and they have a nice, quick and reliable car. Recent reports (which I might add, in all prudence mind you, only "confirms" what I said all along) say that the Cosworth engine is the highest revving. So it has been up to Williams, to build a chassis to match their power plant.
The ambitious Sam Michael was very positive about their first test with a new engine and new tires, and the test results have probably allowed him to stay optimistic and positive.
They have only now begun to scratch the surface with Bridgestone, and they have been top of the times on a few days now. They are also working on a new gearbox, seamless shifts, and the sooner they make that reliable the better. The gains are big!

Williams have a good driver pairing in Webber and Rosberg, but Rosberg is a rookie. He has gotten the thumbs up from team personnel, but he has spun and caused a handful of red flags... Trying to keep up with Webber wont be easy, but there is no doubt that he is quick.
Another important asset is that Williams will now enjoy the advantage of a third car on Fridays. For that job they have the very able Wurz. The best man for that job, especially when one of their race drivers is a rookie, eventhough Rosberg is said to be extremely adept on technical matters.

I have said before that I think Williams can win a race atleast in the first part of the season. The reason I say that, is because later in the year, the financial muslces of the manufacturers will probably make sure some of them will come up with something better than Cosworth.
It is up to Williams themselves too of course, but their new wind tunnel is now running as it should. Loic Bigois and Patrick Head, Sam Michael and Simon Corbyn will have a tough task
keeping up with the opposition. And a lot rest on Bridgestone too.
I see Williams being in the fight for fifth in the CC (with a bit of luck, maybe fourth), but I think that the group of teams they will find themselves in for most of the time will be huge. So it might only be sixth in the end.


-Toyota -

Toyota introduced their car very early, and that was in hindsight very good (it always is of course), as they have suffered a few problems. They have not found a good symbiosis between the Bridgestone's and their suspension. Graining rears has often been mentioned. And there has been a handful of pictures of smoking engines as well.
But Toyota work as intensively as ever, a revised aerodynamic package just made its first appearance, Trulli was very happy with it, and they have also got a B-version due around Monaco.

Toyota's first win are overdue, but as it is now, I don't think they will be able to win on merit this year either. Podiums like last year, yes. I am mindful about the potential improvements their B-version could represent, especially when it comes to making good use of the Bridgestone tyres, so they might surprise later in the year, and leap further towards the front.
Ralf Schumacher should have a better start to the season than he got last year, and my impression is that atleast early on, he was more content with the new car than Trulli was. Again it was about the front suspension. The drivers will be evenly mathced, and will make sure Toyota fight for fifth in the CC.


-Red Bull Ferrari -

Red Bull got their RB2 out very early, second actually after Toyota. That however, was only a shake down on Silverstone, in the cold of December. Already there the team discovered problems with cooling, which has since plagued them, and seriously limited their running, and how well prepared they are. But the car looks great, and the engine should be very good. (I wonder how many upgrades they will get though?)
There has also some been some problems with their gearbox.
The very good news is that most of their problems now seem cured; in the ongoing Valencia test, they are now running a revised RB2, with a new aerodynamic package, and probably a re-arrangement to their cooling lay-out. The new engine-cover/sidepods haven't got holes in them anymore (which they had to make to aid cooling), only some tiny, tiny gills.

It's now clear that the car has some pace indeed, Klien and Coulthard have put in some respectable times in testing this week. That the problems would get quickly fixed was only to be epxected; Red Bull already had Mark Smith, but they also got Adrian Newey on board now! That dropped like a bomb (wow, F1 actually managed to keep a secret), and one understands why Smith says that "Red Bull have the strongest engineering group of any team I've worked with".

Some Newey/Smith upgrades should be useful, and Newey is already on it; he is spending his days going over drawings of the RB2.

I think that this year, they will eventually get a podium or two on merit (Monaco perhaps? -in the hands of DC), but they too will be in that big group of teams I think we will see, so it will be very, very hard to improve on their position in the CC from 2005.


-BMW -Sauber -

Sauber's new car looks very good! Is this the best car they have ever built? Afterall, the F1.06 is Sauber's design, in BMW guise. And the team will I think, have to be considered as effectively being Sauber this year.
There have been positive signs from the new car, it has been very consistent, and their pace on longer runs on Barcelona has been very good. It is also encouraging and pleasant to hear Villeneuve say he can drive this car more as he wants. Heidfeld has also used the superlatives to describe the car. In addition it's also good to see them test with two cars, something Sauber seldom did. A sign that there are more money available, now that the team filter into becoming a big top-team outfit.
Prospects are good, and they have a very good driver pairing, atleast if Villeneuve feels comfortable with the car. They should run each other close, and I see Red Bull, Williams and Toyota being their combatants- that means they should fight for sixth or seventh (eight worst case scenario) in the CC, but I think they will be up there and sniff at podiums a few times too.
They are targeting a top six finish, according to Heidfeld.


-Scuderia Toro Rosso-

...They should definately do better than Minardi, as they will have a bigger budget, and a better design team. We haven't seen much of their new car, but it does strongly resemble the Red Bull RB1 in many areas, but that was as expected. STR will be the only team to use a restricted V10, and that has and will create some debate. Midland's Kolles has more or less said that STR cannot be allowed to beat them.
The torque curve of the V10, even if rev-limited, is very good, and if they still run it to the same specifications as they do now, many expect them to spring a surprise in Monaco. Not a win, but definately a jump in performance.
The very promising Liuzzi will be up alongside Scott Speed, and this one should also be interesting to watch. I think Liuzzi will win this one.

I expect STR to fight Midland and Super Aguri.



-Midland F1 -

...They probably hope that their new car, the M16, is what the name suggest! Well, maybe not quite, but early signs from testing are that they have atleast been able to close the gap a little.
They have a decent driver pairing in Monteiro and Albers, and the Portugese is a very safe pair of hands.
I would be surprised to see Midland score any points, atleast on merit, and I expect this, IMO, soul-less team to be the tail enders once Super Aguri gets their new car racing.



-Super Aguri-

This team has been put together in a hurry, and is still by far the smallest F1 team. Their staff counts around 130-150 currently, which is around half the size of STR and Midland I believe.
They need to recruit and grow rapidly, and new guys being thrown into their roles in the middle of a season, might prove tough. Their greatest help is of course Honda; they will receive support from them, and will lean on them for a while. They will also race with Honda's V8, and that wont hurt.
Expectations are very low for the first few races, afterall they will use old Arrows A23's, hacked together to conform with this years rules.
They plan to have their own car ready for the european season, and as they have used Honda guys as consultants in the design process, this one should be a car able to keep them well in touch.
I know very little about Ide, but Sato is a known quantity.
Maybe their vision of an all-japanese team will be of a slight disadvantage? I am not sure how set they really are on that though.




So what's your thoughts on the 2006 season? Spit it out!

....Btw, next weeks Barcelona test will be very important, and I wouldn't be surprised if I had to edit after that one...

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#2 angst

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Posted 16 February 2006 - 18:37

I'm pretty much in agreement with your take on things. There will be some interesting tactical decisions to be made with the new qualifying format, and with the return to tyre changes (though with a limit to seven sets), there are alot of new unknowns to factor in - including the tyre war, which I believe will be very even, but will swing from tyre company to tyre company at various different tracks and as the year progresses.

Renault and Honda have both looked particularly impressive in testing, but McLaren and Ferrari have both suffered mechanical woes - don't expect that to blunt their speed, and don't expect either team not to have any reliability problems sorted to some extent through the season. Toyota are quietly going about their business, and are already planning an upgraded B spec later in the season - given their (alleged) concerns with tyres, expect some work on that front for the new car. BMW may be the surprise package of the season, with two very, very quick drivers - both with something of a point to make. Williams seem to have a tidy little car, and Red Bull, as has been said, seem to have some pace.

What has impressed me as well is that neither of the two teams that struggled last year seem to be too far off the pace. Both Toro Rosso and Midland seem much closer to the pace.

All in all I'm hopeful of a very interesting and competitive year.

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Posted 16 February 2006 - 18:49

That they are only allowed seven sets is in one way good I think. I'm not very fond of seven to eleven-lap opening stints in the races, and I think they'll have to limit three stop strategies. We'll definately see them, but more often than in '04, a two-stopper will look better.

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Posted 16 February 2006 - 18:50

I also share most of your views and thoughts, but I will regardsless make a comprehensive season prediction when we get a little closer to the first race.

I expect Torro Rosso to outperform Midland from race one, and I expect Super Aguri Suzuki to trundle past Midland during the course of the season, when they start running their own car, and the Honda assistance starts trickling down to them.

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Posted 16 February 2006 - 18:55

Agree, as DC said last year, a small army can do a lot of damage; Super Aguri's Honda influenced car (hmm, maybe they're not such a small army afterall then, with Honda assistance I mean...) could be quite good.

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Posted 16 February 2006 - 19:05

I also agree with most things you said, it sums it up quite nicely. :)

I believe the first couple of races Renault may be a bit too fast but with Ferrari getting back Tombasiz etc im sure they will fight back. And the reliability problems im sure they will be fixed as well, it's better to find those things now rather then dropping out of a race. :)

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Posted 16 February 2006 - 19:14

Very good analysis!! :up:

I think Renault are at the very top of their game. They've been piling on the mileage during testing and rarely do you hear of any reliability problems, combine that with the speed they've shown with all of their drivers and I fully expect them to be the team to contend with once again in 2006

Honda is an enigma if you ask me. They looked fast last year as well, and we all know how that went. I'm just not sure they're pace in testing will translate as easily to the races. That they have the pace appears to be the case, and in fact, at times rivaling Renault. I am just not entirely convinced with either Button or Rubens as top caliber drivers who are able to duke it out all season against Alonso, let alone Schumacher or Raikkonen.

Ferrari I have to admit are starting more and more to look worrisome. No doubt the 248 has pace, albeit slightly behind both Honda and Renault wherever the teams have lined up together, but of course they have still to add their definitive 2006 aero package, though whether that makes up the difference entirely remains to be seen. Biggest questions for a return to form for the scuderia remain Bridgestone and reliability. Who'd have thought that the two words, reliability and Ferrari would be in question?

McLaren on the face of it look to be in the same situation as last year. Starting off the year on the back foot. I'm not convinced however that they won't find a solution come Bahrain, I definitely think the team have it within them to get the engine problem sorted out, and some of the laps they've done over the past few days bear this out. Reliability, as with Ferrari, is a big question mark.

Williams have gone about their business in testing without looking for titles nor headlines, and I must say I am pleasantly surprised at what appears to be a very competitive package, and a definite keeper with their Cosworth engine. It all comes down to their chassis and aero if either driver is aiming for podiums, although they may be able to use reliability to sneak one in on the other teams during the opening races, though I also think they could achieve a podium on merit. For sure, they are definitely a wild card to keep a watch on.

Toyota seem to be in need of some pace. They have never looked convincing in any of the tests they've completed against competition. Though who wins the winter testing competition and who eventually wins races and titles rarely go hand in hand. Now with their new aero package it remains to be seen if this will give them the push needed to climb up the grid and allow them to breathe the same air as Renault. This has to be a "finally come through for a win" year for the team.

BMW have admittedly looked quite good in testing, but I can't help but think they will struggle to make podiums this year, especially if their are 4 teams like Renault, Honda, Ferrari and McLaren fighting it out almost level. They might happen onto a podium position much like Williams might, with a few teams in front slipping in the first couple of races, but I don't think so on their own merit.

Red Bull supposedly have taken care of their cooling issues they were suffering, but despite this piece of good news for the team, I think they will struggle to repeat the small success they garnered last year. Newey will not be a real factor for the team until next year.


Scuderia Toro Rosso and Midland will duke it out with STR coming out on top easily, while Midland's main worry will be to ensure they don't fall back into the clutches of Super Auguri.

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Posted 16 February 2006 - 19:25

I too prefer to wait at least another week before making bold predictions, but I do broadly agree with 'race addicted's' predictions though.

The one thing I will say is that BAR never looked quick in last winters testing. The engine detonated more times than I don't know what and the drivers were always complaining that the car lacked downforce. It was obvious that they were in deep do do. So far Honda looks to be in far far better shape for this season.

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Posted 16 February 2006 - 19:42

Ferrari had reliability problems before in the winter so im sure they know what they are doing. Im positive that when the first race arrives they will have figured everything out.

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Posted 16 February 2006 - 20:25

Originally posted by pippin
I too prefer to wait at least another week before making bold predictions, but I do broadly agree with 'race addicted's' predictions though.

The one thing I will say is that BAR never looked quick in last winters testing. The engine detonated more times than I don't know what and the drivers were always complaining that the car lacked downforce. It was obvious that they were in deep do do. So far Honda looks to be in far far better shape for this season.

:up: We knew more or less from launch that the 006 was a dog.

They're doing much better, with speed and reliability, this season than any other.

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Posted 16 February 2006 - 20:52

I can't wait, I'm so bored of all the pre-season nonsense now, it's time to get on with it! :D

I think the V8s are going to close up the field a bit relative to the V10s, it could be a very exciting season.

-Renault -

Still the class of the field and, with Alonso at the helm I think they'll be the favourites again this year: it's shocking the level of reliability they're displaying along with the raw performance.

-Ferrari -

It's difficult to say about Ferrari. They don't seem to be blowing everyone away at the moment, but they appear to be in the top 3-4 and all these teams are close together. I think Bridgestone may still have the advantage over longer stints and this could prove decisive. However, I'm not overly confident of their reliability. Overall, MS is looking well placed to finish 2nd, narrowly losing out to Alonso due to reliability issues.

-Honda-

The team's looking well set to bounce back from a dreadful 2005 and I predict 2-4 wins for the team: the cars are looking both very fast and super reliable. I can see Button & Barrichello as the most even matched teammates of 2006 and hope we'll see wins from both drivers. Honda could well finish 3rd in the championship, ahead of McLaren.

-McLaren-Mercedes -

The car looks beautiful and is reportedly very strong on the aero and suspension side, but once again the engine's looking dodgy. I'm sure Mercedes can ramp up performance through the year and may well finish once again with the strongest package, but how long will it take and will they be able to find sufficient reliability? The team also appears to have pissed off its two drivers and this doesn't bode well for a successful year. I suspect they'll finish the WCC 4th, behind BAR.

-Williams Cosworth -

Things are looking great at the moment and the team is proving both reliable and fast. What's more, Nico looks to be doing extremely well. I don't think we'll see them maintain this form throughout the year, relative to the opposition, so they've got to be hoping for podiums during the early part of the season. Webber will beat Rosberg, but I expect good performances from both drivers. I can see the team fighting Toyota for 5th in the WCC for most of the year.

-Toyota -

It's still a bit early to judge the new aero package (but by god does the car look ugly), still I have faith in the skill of the Toyota team, who were regularly fighting for podiums in 2005. What we can expect from them is cast iron reliability and they may even find themselves ahead of McLaren this year. But it's safer to place them 5th, just behind the Woking outfit.

-Red Bull Ferrari -

They appear to have overcome their over-heating issues, but the pace doesn't appear to be there at the moment. However, I suspect they'll produce another solid season and Klien will show another step in performance, actually managing to beat his teammate over the course of the season. I can't see them beating any of the manufacturers in the WCC, however.

-BMW -Sauber -

They've been very impressive during the off season and I expect this to continue during 2006. Heidfeld should regularly outdrive Villeneuve, but I think Jacques will produce a solid performance this year. It will be interesting to see if BMW can beat Williams in their first season. I suspect Williams may just edge them in the WCC, so that'll leave BMW 7th.

Scuderia Toro Rosso

I can't say I rate Speed very much, but I think Liuzzi could show good form this year. The chassis should be good but there are question marks over the engine: we know it's good, but how much will the FIA restrict it? Will they really allow Toro Rosso to regularly beat Midland? I suspect not. It's a bit of a transitional year for the team and I don't expect too much. I do think we will see them switch to V8's for the 2007 season.

I can't say I really care about Midland or Super Aguri: the former will beat Toro Rosso solely via the engine restriction rule; the latter promise to be a bit of a joke through 2006 and may not even attend any GPs until the start of the European season. Super Aguri will hopefully use 2006 solely as a launchpad for the following season and perhaps we'll see a Takuma Sato racing at the top of his game once more.

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Posted 16 February 2006 - 21:17

Originally posted by dai_ferrari
Very good analysis!! :up:
...McLaren on the face of it look to be in the same situation as last year. Starting off the year on the back foot. I'm not convinced however that they won't find a solution come Bahrain, I definitely think the team have it within them to get the engine problem sorted out, and some of the laps they've done over the past few days bear this out. Reliability, as with Ferrari, is a big question mark...


Actually this time last year Mclaren was very reliable and very fast, it all fell appart in the actual races for them, not in testing. Hopefully its the opposite, falling appart in testing but holding it together for the races.

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Posted 16 February 2006 - 23:46

I think this is going to be one of the best seasons in the last 6 years.

Auguri and Midland will fight for the tail.
Toro Rosso will improve fast.
That leaves us with 8 GOOD Teams...

That's 16 Good cars!!!! (I Hope)

3 World Champions
15 Podium finishers (yes... Sato has a third place somewhere in there)
10 Grand Prix Winners

Add Speed, Rosberg and Kovalainen (if he's able to race)....... WOW! :clap: :up:




Discalimer: I take no responsibility in the accuracy of my statistics given the fact that I'm at work and can't spend a lot of time on the web checking if Monteiro's third place really counts.

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Posted 17 February 2006 - 00:06

My thought is that tension is starting build up and people will go nuts once season is about to start.

But once first race is over and fantasy has met reality, things will calm down. Many hopes will die and interest weakens. Excluding "season over" and "just wait till next race!" preachers.

Overall what happens this year depends mostly about tyres and luck.

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Posted 17 February 2006 - 00:12

Originally posted by jokuvaan
My thought is that tension is starting build up and people will go nuts once season is about to start.

But once first race is over and fantasy has met reality, things will calm down. Many hopes will die and interest weakens. Excluding "season over" and "just wait till next race!" preachers.

Overall what happens this year depends mostly about tyres and luck.


I think this season is going to be alot closer between alot of teams than you think. In the past, yes that has happened. However I don't think we've ever had a pre season like the one were having, 5 or 6 teams consistently very quick. It will roll into the season.

Of course, Renault and Honda will be strong but so will Ferrari, McLaren, BMW, Toyota and Williams. All of them have shown strong pace, even McLaren are slowly coming on song. The hopes and potential of any of these teams won't die after 1 race, that I can assure you.

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Posted 17 February 2006 - 00:35

The key is Renault, they seem perfect, they always seem to have solutions to find more speed when they want it, they have reliability, if they continue to be this new wonder team post ferrari era, the new ferrari, in the way mclaren was before ferrari, and williams before mclaren, and honda before mclaren lol

The key is how much do Renault have in their pocket? If they can dig deep and keep a advantage, the season won't be a classic, but if they can't, then were in for a cracker.

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Posted 18 February 2006 - 08:16

Originally posted by guillo
I think this is going to be one of the best seasons in the last 6 years.

Auguri and Midland will fight for the tail.
Toro Rosso will improve fast.
That leaves us with 8 GOOD Teams...


I can't really see STR performing well enough consistently, to give us as you say eight good teams. I expect a gap from the eighth team back to STR.
On some tracks though, STR could make a leap forward.

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Posted 18 February 2006 - 21:10

Excellent summaries folks. Yeah it's looking nice and competitive is'nt it.. :up:

A 4-way dogfight at the front is what we hope for of course. I do have this feeling that we'll see Mclaren, Renault, Ferrari and Honda all win races this year. With the spread of testing times and such it has the makings of another 2003, perfect for the fans.

However after the most recent testing week i can't help but have this feeling of deja-vu. The metronomic Renault with it's rock solid race pace and reliability (apart from just the one incident that i noticed with the rear wing) , against another boom and bust Mclaren-Mercedes. I hope for the sake of a good championship fight, that there's less bust in the Mclaren campaign this season. Honda look to be right there giving both of them a hard time, and then there's Ferrari. I want to see them test with all the rest one last time before getting a good indication on where they are gonna figure in all this - and next week's big Barca test won't help me on that either sadly. My gut feeling is that they are somewhere close to being at their best again.

Have to say i've been getting twitchy since about a fortnight ago. I can't wait for the race weekends to start, and just as importantly, to see how the demographic of a standard race weekend will change as a result of the most recent rule changes.

Will they really do slightly less laps on a Friday compared to 2005 like Pat Symmonds suggested recently?
Just how chaotic will Saturday mornings be now, given that they have only 1 x 1 hour session to get things sorted before qualifying?
Will the new qualifying format - as much as i dislike it, and never voted for that particular concept - produce the white-knuckle driver-bumping? (On paper it ought to.)

We need to see all these things in action before we can judge fully. It'll certainly be interesting enough in the first few weekends of the season, as we find the answers to these questions out.

Come the end of the year though, there are two championships to be won. I get the feeling that we'll be talking about the new world champion versus the old world champion in a battle that will probably go down to the last 2 races of the year......and how's about this for sticking the neck on the block? - I honestly reckon Michael and Fernando will trip over eachother somewhere during the year in a GP, causing allsorts of spats both in the inner sanctum and right here on the BB. As for which of them will walk away from Monaco in December with the title....who knows. Similarly i expect Massa and Fisichella to ensure that the constructors' championship is fought out between Renault and Ferrari

On a personal note : my boy looks to have a good car this year, and i've been encouraged with the way he's been positive and got on with the job. If at the end of the year, the short stocky one has nailed the F1.06 onto the podium once, hopefully twice, then yeah!....i'll be pretty happy with that.

#19 zac510

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Posted 18 February 2006 - 22:00

I concur with most in here!

My only problem with 2006 season is that it hasn't started yet!! :(

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#20 skittt

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Posted 18 February 2006 - 22:40

These are my predix for 2006


WCC

1. Renault

2. Honda

3. McLaren

4. Williams

5. Ferrari

6. Toyota

7. BMW

8. Red Bull

9. STR

10. Midland

11. Super Aguri

#21 Ghostrider

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Posted 19 February 2006 - 03:22

Excellent summary race addicted! :up: :up:

Haven't really followed preseason testing that intensely, so I can't go into any detailed speculations but Renault seems strong, that much I have figured out. Will be very interesting to see how things evolve this season, as has been mentioned, a lot of new combinations of tyres, engines etc. :up:

Only a few weeks more to go. :cool:

in the meantime I will have to try to figure out how to best follow an F1 raceweekend here in US. :smoking:

#22 Melbourne Park

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Posted 19 February 2006 - 13:11

OK we are all in agreement.

So its time somebody stirred the pot.

I am not sure about the tyres. Michelin was not happy about the change to multiple tyres. BS were delighted. Based on that, I'd say Ferrari will comfortably win this year on the cooler tracks, and win the year.

On the 2nd order BS teams, they may not have a tyre advantage unless the Ferrari is lets say more than 1 second a lap faster. Because Williams and Toyota don't have the experience with BS and also they don't have the personnel exchange structure that Ferrari have in place with BS. So if Ferrari cleans up, then I'd go for Williams in #3 spots for the first third of the season. Then Toyota beating Williams in the second half of the season.

Overall, one of those two to split Honda and McLaren. I'll go for Toyota, based upon reliability, which will be more critical this year, and presuming the TF106b actually will work.

Renault? They look good now alright, but who knows? If they have some things go wrong, then politics will pop up and bugger up the whole show. Alonso's leaving, Fisi gets pissed off, are Renault leaving ... I'll put them behind both Honda and McLaren, although they'll start the season much better than they finish it.

Honda or McLaren? We all know that depends on McLaren's engine ... its easy to get sucked into Honda, they make such great lawn mower engines. ;)

BMW? I think there is too much change going on there for them to be at 100%, and most of their competition are playing close to 100% for lots of the time (although making mistakes as well). 4th ranked Michelin team for me.

The rest? I cannot take the rest seriously. Maybe next year for me on that wake-me-up drink company (presuming they don't sell it to Coke who shuts the whole thing down).

#23 ChuckSchumacher

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Posted 24 February 2006 - 21:12

This is it folks. The sport we all love is returning to our screens very soon.

Have to say this is the most I have looked forward to a new season in a while.

Being a big Schumacher fan, I hope he can bounce back this year. But being an even bigger fan of the sport in general, I eagerly anticipate the new qualifying changes, the new teams, the new liveries etc etc

For years (5 or 6) I have visited this forum merely as a viewer. I have always been impressed by the content. I used to enjoy the atlasf1 website but didnt decide to subscribe to it.

In terms of up to date information regarding events leading up to the Grand Prix, this is the only place to come.

Bring on Bahrain!

I hope to share a good few debates with you all! Although I am a devout Schumacher fan, I do try to be as objective as possible, although that is easier said than doen sometimes!

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#24 stevewf1

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Posted 24 February 2006 - 21:44

I'm looking forward to what I think will be the start of the "Great Toyota/Honda Battle".

In 5 or 10 years, we might be looking back at this time as one of those "eras".

#25 SeanValen

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Posted 25 February 2006 - 02:11

Originally posted by ChuckSchumacher
This is it folks. The sport we all love is returning to our screens very soon.

Have to say this is the most I have looked forward to a new season in a while.

Being a big Schumacher fan, I hope he can bounce back this year. But being an even bigger fan of the sport in general, I eagerly anticipate the new qualifying changes, the new teams, the new liveries etc etc

For years (5 or 6) I have visited this forum merely as a viewer. I have always been impressed by the content. I used to enjoy the atlasf1 website but didnt decide to subscribe to it.

In terms of up to date information regarding events leading up to the Grand Prix, this is the only place to come.

Bring on Bahrain!

I hope to share a good few debates with you all! Although I am a devout Schumacher fan, I do try to be as objective as possible, although that is easier said than doen sometimes!

CS



:up:

Perhaps we'll see a few wet races for old time sake, hasn't been a full on wet race for ages, Schumacher in the rain for old time sake, did you see him pushing hard in practice session 3 of Suzuka when it was raining, he was 2 seconds faster then anyone else, ashame the race wasn't a rain fest, nothing went right for him in 2005, it's very easy for 2006 to be a improvement, and it was pretty easy to fall down from 2004, but no one expected the biggest technical fall from ferrari in decades, so 2006 can only be better really and looks like it already, even if renault are the team to beat


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Posted 25 February 2006 - 04:38

This could just be the fanboy in me talking, but i honestly think Honda are going to be genuinely quick this year. I think Alonso and Fischicella will fall off the pace early, and i believe it will be a Ferrari, Mclaren, Honda Battle. I think the pairing of Button and Barrichello is the best pairing in F1 short of Raikkonen and Montoya. Both drivers are SOLID, not great but solid.

Heres to what hopefully turns out to be a great upcoming season!

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Posted 25 February 2006 - 05:04

Originally posted by DOHCPower
This could just be the fanboy in me talking, but i honestly think Honda are going to be genuinely quick this year. I think Alonso and Fischicella will fall off the pace early, and i believe it will be a Ferrari, Mclaren, Honda Battle. I think the pairing of Button and Barrichello is the best pairing in F1 short of Raikkonen and Montoya. Both drivers are SOLID, not great but solid.

Heres to what hopefully turns out to be a great upcoming season!


The more Honda fans the merrier. :clap: I agree with all those points, except about Renault. I wish! (well i want close racing, too, but you know, lol) But where are they going? They look very formidable. Honda has great development, and with Honda R&D in close collaboration is a bonus this year, but Renault make good use of their resources, too. I don't know if they'll be outpaced in advances to the car, really can't see that early on. Can't see why Alonso and Fisichella will turn it down, either. Now, perhaps if something happens within the team, a conflict because of Alonso leaving, maybe triggered by a mistake or bad result in a race.. or issues that happened to Fisi last season, with his car. Seems that some folks here have said this R26 is less understeery, less suited to Alonso's style than the R25. If so, though, it hasn't looked to hurt him in testing.

I have a very good feeling about Honda this season, though. It's coming together, stars aligning :) , the engine and chassis are getting kind words from the drivers and Ellis & Nakamoto.

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Posted 25 February 2006 - 05:42

I am really excited about the upcoming season also.

The thing I am most looking forward to is the tyre battle, not from a technical point of view :down: , but for the potential it has to significantly alter the championship outcome :up: .

At the moment Michelin (Renault, Honda and McLaren) have all the glory, but ITS ONLY TESTING! :rolleyes:
I think there will be times when the Bridgestones are the tyre to have (wet weather, anyone?), and that will play into the hands of Ferrari, Toyota and Williams (BTW Williams seem to be the quickest Bridgestone team at the moment). So I think the Bridgestone team which does the best job this year should be able to mix it up with the Michelin teams.
I anticipate the Michelin teams to be taking points from each other, so I wouldnt write off the Bridgestone teams yet. If one of them can get their act together, we could have some real excitement! :eek:

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Posted 25 February 2006 - 08:41

It's clear that we're in for some good battles this year, and probably some surprising results early on, as some teams have reliability issues.

So come on guys and girls, share your thoughts on how they'll do in 2006!

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Posted 25 February 2006 - 10:08

There are some good analysis here on the state of play so far, most of which I see is fair. The real test of course is " The first day back at school" Thats when we see if the cars can race It should be interesting as the first two races Bahrain and Sepang, while not the fastes tracks, have quite high sustained speeds on long straights. New V8's Versus Regulated V10's Hmm! Could be tears at bedtime!
Im Really looking forward to Bahrain inJust over two weeks time

#31 carbonfibre

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Posted 25 February 2006 - 10:14

Wet weather? Does that even exist anymore?

And by that i don't mean 2 raindrops but a full GP of rain like Spain 96, Spa 98 etc.

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Posted 25 February 2006 - 10:19

Originally posted by carbonfibre
Wet weather? Does that even exist anymore?

And by that i don't mean 2 raindrops but a full GP of rain like Spain 96, Spa 98 etc.

Brazil 03?

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Posted 25 February 2006 - 10:21

Originally posted by A Wheel Nut
Brazil 03?

Last one but if im right at the end of the race it was dry, and then Bridgestone brought the wrong tyres because you could only bring one along.

Im talking about a full wet race, from the start all the way to the podium.

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Posted 25 February 2006 - 10:56

Brazil 03 was red flagged due to the rain.

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Posted 25 February 2006 - 11:00

No. it was red flagged because the current WDC drove into one of Webbo`s wheels.

#36 A Wheel Nut

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Posted 25 February 2006 - 11:00

Well yeah, but that was as a result of the rain. :p

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Posted 25 February 2006 - 11:02

As far as i remember it was drying up or almost dry, Fisico overtook KR because his intermediates were shot just a lap before.

#38 A Wheel Nut

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Posted 25 February 2006 - 11:26

Well having intermediates on was a result of the rain, no.

:D

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Posted 25 February 2006 - 12:16

-Renault -

The team to beat in 2006! Theres been no sign in testing that the team or any of the drivers have lost their performance / reliability advantage from 2005. However, I dont think that initially they will be the top Michellin team...

Constructors: 1
Drivers:Alonso

-Honda-

IMO they will be the strongest team in Bahrain and perhaps Malaysia. They have been fast and reliable in testing, coupled with their testing @ Bahrain and the availablility of a 3rd driver on Friday I would expect them to be less cautious on their engine than the other teams. Barrichell will get the first win for Honda.

Constructors: 2

-Ferrari -

F248 seems to be fast and reasonably reliable but doubts remain about the competitiveness of the BS tyres. Despite the change back to tyre changes Michellin seem to have an advantage at the moment (at least from the data seen from Williams & Toyota). Will be challenging for wins by the time we get back to Europe for sure.

Constructors: 3

-McLaren-Mercedes -

Seem to have solved their reliability problems, but would expect them to be quite cautious in the first few races - at least until reliability is proven. Will win a few races this year.

Constructors: 4

-Toyota -

Disappointed with the new car, the new aero package just does not seem to work with the BS tyres - will be competing with Williams in 2006. Neither driver is up to the challenge.

Constructors: 5

-Williams Cosworth -

Despite having currently the most powerful engine the poor times shown from them and Toyota on the BS tyres at Barcelona makes me think that the chassis and tyres will hamper them. By the time the season reaches a circuit where their engine would prove a big advantage (i.e. Monaco) the other teams would have likely caught up.

Constructors: 6

-Red Bull Ferrari -

They will struggle to get anywhere decent in the firs few races but later in the season and with the influence of the new technical and aerodynamic input I would not be surprised if they challenge for a podium a few times later in the season.

Constructors: 7

-BMW -Sauber -

Have show great pace and reliability in testing and drivers (especially JV) seem well pumped up. Think they could be the Redbull of last season - surprising the top teams in the first half of the season before fading.

Constructors: 8

-Scuderia Toro Rosso-

Difficult to say with how the unknown restrictions will develop but am pretty sure they will beat Midland and SA initially.

Constructors: 9/10

-Midland F1 -

Look pretty awful and just dont see that theres a commitment from the team to develop the car massively.

Constructors: 9/10

-Super Aguri-

The Lola's from several seasons back :down:

Constructors: Last

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#40 RDM

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Posted 25 February 2006 - 12:33

Originally posted by A Wheel Nut
Well yeah, but that was as a result of the rain. :p

Really? I thought it was the result of him ignoring yellow flags.

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Posted 25 February 2006 - 12:48

Indeed ignoring red flags and driving full into one of webbers wheels. I can't wait for another full wet race, it seems so long ago. :(

#42 kodandaram

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Posted 25 February 2006 - 12:59

Well most of the explanations have already been put in so lemme just put down the order in which I think the WCC might turn out come 2006 end

1. Renault
2. Honda
3. McLaren/ferrari
5. Williams
6. BMW Sauber/Red Bull/Toyota ( although I doubt Toyota will manage even this ..)
9..11 ..I seriously don't care wtf happens b/w super aguri , midland and STR.

I think the highlight of the season will be Honda vs renault and I think Honda might actually win the title this year. But Renault have done that already and they know how to win now. They will do it efficiently but if Honda get the sniff of a title then there is nothing to say they won't go on a money spending spree to do everything they can to win ..and given Renault have always been efficient and not willing to be spendthrift...it might turn out that the only thing that seperates Renault and honda will be reliability.

I hope Honda and Jenson win this year. I am sure they will . Jenson should be able to win a few races ...but I don't think woobens is the toughest person to have as a team-mate ...but he is definitely better than Sato ...they should be evenly matched.

The only thing I am sure of right now is that Honda and Renault both have speed and reliability. McLaren seem to have the speed to be the quickest over a lap and maybe even on long runs but their reliability is a question mark.

Ferrari ? they will win races no doubt . But it will be because of Michale . I reckon 4 wins should be possible this year and many podiums. Massa should also get some podiums. BS really haven't set the track afire... so I don't think this will be a WDC/WCC year unless BS pull something out of the hat before bahrain ...

Williams -- again problem might be the BS tyres and the unreliability otherwise the package looks like a winning combo and has shown pace too.

Red Bull and BMW to me look like real solid midfielders. Their pace has been stellar on days yet most of hte time they have been just behind the top teams. So they should be battling each other again I think.

Toyota -- hard to say ..I fear that they will face a repeat of the 2004 season at least early on . Problem seems to be that they can't get the tyres to work.

I expect Webber and villeneuve to redeem their pride this year. .. and I think Jenson will win at least a couple of races.

#43 JarnoRalfToyota

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Posted 25 February 2006 - 13:10

Toyota seem to be in a good position : under-rated :up:

#44 carbonfibre

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Posted 25 February 2006 - 13:16

Well Toyota havent been that good on the pace and with some problems but who knows. :)

#45 SeanValen

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Posted 25 February 2006 - 18:08

Originally posted by carbonfibre
Well Toyota havent been that good on the pace and with some problems but who knows. :)


:up:

Professional sandbaggers award of recent times perhaps. It's f1, there's always possibilities.

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Posted 25 February 2006 - 20:29

I am getting my pre-emptive 'meh' in now.

And I wish I got GPMasters/A1GP coverage. the top ranks of motorsports are starting to make me cynical :(

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Posted 25 February 2006 - 21:32

The best thing about the start of a new season, particularly after so many regulation changes is that literally NO-ONE knows who will be fastest!

All the team principals and drivers; they may have their opinions and ideas, but they cannot be sure as to who the movers and shakers are.

Some cars may inadvertently be suited for qualifying performance but less good in the race and vice versa. Some cars may be more suited to the environment of the race track, the surface of the ground, how the tyres interact.

The new engines have never been tested in the true Grand Prix situation. (btw what are the penalties for changing an engine? I cant remember what the changes to that rule were?)

Certain drivers have something to prove (i.e. JPM and Fisichella.) Massa will be hoping to impress. Even the great Michael may be extra motivated this year after a poor season last year. How will Renault handle their "Champion" tag?

What will be the tactics in the new qualy set up? I reckon the big guns will feature mainly towards the end. But the smaller teams have a great advertising incentive to try and get their cars into the last 30min run for TV exposure reasons.

And what about the politics amongst the teams who effectively own four cars? Red Bull and their Torro Rosso? Any hint of team tactics must surely be questioned. Similarly, perhaps with RBR and Ferrari. Plus the new collaboration between the Bridgestone teams....

Too many questions!! Not enough answers!

Not long to go......


CS

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Posted 25 February 2006 - 23:50

Originally posted by ChuckSchumacher
The best thing about the start of a new season, particularly after so many regulation changes is that literally NO-ONE knows who will be fastest!

All the team principals and drivers; they may have their opinions and ideas, but they cannot be sure as to who the movers and shakers are.

Some cars may inadvertently be suited for qualifying performance but less good in the race and vice versa. Some cars may be more suited to the environment of the race track, the surface of the ground, how the tyres interact.

The new engines have never been tested in the true Grand Prix situation. (btw what are the penalties for changing an engine? I cant remember what the changes to that rule were?)

Certain drivers have something to prove (i.e. JPM and Fisichella.) Massa will be hoping to impress. Even the great Michael may be extra motivated this year after a poor season last year. How will Renault handle their "Champion" tag?

What will be the tactics in the new qualy set up? I reckon the big guns will feature mainly towards the end. But the smaller teams have a great advertising incentive to try and get their cars into the last 30min run for TV exposure reasons.

And what about the politics amongst the teams who effectively own four cars? Red Bull and their Torro Rosso? Any hint of team tactics must surely be questioned. Similarly, perhaps with RBR and Ferrari. Plus the new collaboration between the Bridgestone teams....

Too many questions!! Not enough answers!

Not long to go......


CS






It's very exciting suspense, hopefully the grid will line up to live up to the hype and give us a interesting first few races, last year MS did a nice qualfiying position at behrain, even if the tyres were shot before he retired, he did a 3 stopper to win in 2004, so perhaps a fight against renault.

Remember when MS got pole in Hungary 2005, Ross brawn and everyone, didn't understand where the speed came from, out of nowhere, MS on pole, technically ferrari didn't know why the tyres and package with MS delivered that performance, because the tyres they tested in testing gave different results come time for the gp, if they understand why, which perhaps they do by now, could be the key for them, although they are all different tracks, so see what happens.

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Posted 26 February 2006 - 01:17

This is total wishful thinking, but what the heck:

2006 Formula One World Chamionship

Final Standings

Constructors' Championship

1st Renault
2nd Honda
3rd McLaren
4th Ferrari
5th BMW Sauber
6th Toyota
7th Williams

Drivers' Championship

1 Fernando Alonso
2 Rubens Barrichello
3 Michael Schumacher
4 Juan Pablo Montoya
5 Jenson Button
6 Kimi Raikkonen
7 Giancarlo Fisichella
8 Jacques Villeneuve


Highlights and surprises:

Alonso peerless once more, reminding all of a young Michael Schumacher, quick and wise beyond his years.

Jacques Villeneuve wins a grand prix again.

Montoya to beat Kimi in the championship as the team battle gets dirty and Kimi announces his intentions to join Ferrari in 2007. McLaren prove fragile but surprise with their dramatic increase in pace throughout the year, like in 2005. Cynics note that Montoya's car proves more reliable and quicker than the Finn's ever since Kimi's official announcement to join Ferrari...

Massa outshades Schumacher a number of times this year, and acts more fearlessly than Rubens did in the same role. Michael, however, proves to be more consistent and stronger over the full course of the year than the young Brazilian. Michael finally announces his retirement from an incredible, contoversial, era of dominance in Formula One.

And, funnily enough:

Rubens outshades Michael for the championship this year.

Nico proves impressively faster than Webber a number of times (despite his inexperience) and Mark Webber finds himself being labelled as another Trulli - white hot in qualifying, white elephant in the race proper.

#50 woftam

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Posted 26 February 2006 - 05:31

Originally posted by scousepenguin
This is total wishful thinking, but what the heck:

2006 Formula One World Chamionship

Final Standings

Constructors' Championship

1st Renault
2nd Honda
3rd McLaren
4th Ferrari
5th BMW Sauber
6th Toyota
7th Williams

Drivers' Championship

1 Fernando Alonso
2 Rubens Barrichello
3 Michael Schumacher
4 Juan Pablo Montoya
5 Jenson Button
6 Kimi Raikkonen
7 Giancarlo Fisichella
8 Jacques Villeneuve


Highlights and surprises:

Alonso peerless once more, reminding all of a young Michael Schumacher, quick and wise beyond his years.

Jacques Villeneuve wins a grand prix again.

Montoya to beat Kimi in the championship as the team battle gets dirty and Kimi announces his intentions to join Ferrari in 2007. McLaren prove fragile but surprise with their dramatic increase in pace throughout the year, like in 2005. Cynics note that Montoya's car proves more reliable and quicker than the Finn's ever since Kimi's official announcement to join Ferrari...

Massa outshades Schumacher a number of times this year, and acts more fearlessly than Rubens did in the same role. Michael, however, proves to be more consistent and stronger over the full course of the year than the young Brazilian. Michael finally announces his retirement from an incredible, contoversial, era of dominance in Formula One.

And, funnily enough:

Rubens outshades Michael for the championship this year.

Nico proves impressively faster than Webber a number of times (despite his inexperience) and Mark Webber finds himself being labelled as another Trulli - white hot in qualifying, white elephant in the race proper.



I thought this thread was for your thoughts not your fantasies :lol: