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#1 chrischilcott

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Posted 21 February 2006 - 17:07

I am researching the history of my Lotus 20 chassis 968. It was sold new to Silvio Moser in April 62 - I have some of its results via the F2 web site & also Beat Shenker's Silvio Moser web site, however I am looking for results of European hill climbs from 1962-66.
Moser crashed the car on the Trento Bondone hill climb sometime in July 62, He sold the car to his friend Aldo Pessina who ran the car untill 1966 in FJ then F3 guise competing in local Swiss hillclimbs & slaloms. I am in contact with Aldo but, not surprisingly, he cannot remember which events he entered - other than he send the car to the Argentine Temporada series in '64 where it was driven by local drivers.
I am racing the car & it is back in its original Silvio Moser livery
Any help much appreciated.

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#2 David McKinney

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Posted 21 February 2006 - 19:37

You might see if anyone has results of the following events (sorry, I don't)

1962
Steckborn
Mitholz
Payerne
Dübendorf
Rochefort
Ollon-Villars
Freiburg-Schauinsland
Marchairuz
Geneva

1963
Eaumorte km 30/3
Ursins km 9/6
St Ursanne-Les Rangiers
Swiss Championship Freiburg 29/9

1964
Eaumorte 5/3
Verbois 4/4
Mitholtz-Kandersteg 24/4
St Ursanne 23/8
Sierre-Montana-Crans 30/8
Eigenthal 4/10
Lars-Crans

1965
Rochefort la Tourne 4/7
Ollon-Villars 29/8
Mitholz-Kandersteg 12/9
Marchairuz 3/10

1966
St Ursanne-Les Rangiers
Eigental 25/9

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#3 bschenker

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Posted 21 February 2006 - 19:45

Aldo Pessina has raced under "CITY"

#4 Alan Cox

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Posted 21 February 2006 - 21:49

Hoots, mon! Welcome to Mr Chilcott.

#5 bschenker

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Posted 21 February 2006 - 21:54

The perfectly restored Lotus 20-J-968 from Chris Chilcot

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#6 bschenker

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Posted 21 February 2006 - 21:54

The perfectly restored Lotus 20-J-968 from Chris Chilcot

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#7 chrischilcott

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Posted 22 February 2006 - 10:47

Originally posted by Alan Cox
Hoots, mon! Welcome to Mr Chilcott.


Hi Alan - pity you weren't around in the 60s! This research would not be so difficult.

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Posted 22 February 2006 - 11:18

Originally posted by bschenker
The perfectly restored Lotus 20-J-968 from Chris Chilcot

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Hi Beat - According to the F2 web site Aldo Pessina entered a few races in 1965 - most he appears to have not started. He is listed as DNQ in the Coppa AC di Bologna at Imola entered by Scuderia Sorociama with a Lotus Ford. This may be my car.
Thanks for posting the photos & your comments

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Posted 22 February 2006 - 22:16

My problem is I can’t find how many Lotus Formula Junior was used by Silvio Moser.

First must by tats Lotus 18, now in the Panini collection, 1966 this car was always in the new Garage from Silvio. About some information founded, with this Lotus Moser raced only a small number off races before hi has crashed, may by the car with the dark body paint in one of the photos sent to you, the car were red with white stripes.
You say the Lotus 20-J-968 was sold new to Moser in April 1962, and like confirmed from Aldo Pessina (City), damaged on the Trento Bondone hill climb race sometime in July 62.
Jo Siffert was very busy in car business, special also in racecars; it’s lucks like Moser has acquired an other Lotus 20 or 22 by him. With this car Silvio Moser has raced since the end of 1963, must by the same colour like the 968. Except the two races in Charles Vögeles Brabham BT06-17, the car acquired for the season 1964 by Silvio Moser.
The tree Cars, two Lotus and one Brabham, was shipped, together with Guglielmo Bellasi’s Lotus 20, for the four races in argentine1964. For this races I have a good documentation, the problem is no wear the frame number. For this races I can only find out, together with Aldo Pessina, what’s drivers have used the two Lotus’s but not say 968 o the other.
I have to find the time to consult the cantonal (like Sussex or Kent) Archive for the old numbers of “Eco dello Sport” a Sport Newspaper. For all Swiss races, also the Automobil Revue

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Posted 23 February 2006 - 11:58

20 J 968 was certainly the first 20 owned by Moser - it still has the same gearbox number & is unusual in being supplied with front disc & rear drum brakes which it still has.

The next 20 was crashed at Pergusa & I'm not sure from the damage that the car was repairable. This car is definately a 20 as it has no top link on the suspension.

Either this car was repaired or a 3rd 20 bought for 1963 (I can find no record of Silvio entering/racing a Lotus after Pergusa in 1962)

The 18 seems to have arrived later - it was painted at some point white - see the photo you sent 62/63/64 - 12 (This is definately an 18)

Sorry but I don't know how to attach that photo

Interestingly I have seen an ex Siffert Lotus 20 - It has frame no 900 but has the chassis plate from an 18 - chassis 704.

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Posted 23 February 2006 - 20:45

If this car a Lotus 18 then the date of this photo must by end of 1961 or begin of 1962 and I think at Ollon – Villars. The scenery in the background of this image, lucks for my, similar as the way to the start line coming back from Villars. The photo is not good enough to let the number plate from the Vespa or the letters from the train. I think it’s the same car I founded on September 1966 on my arrival at Lugano, the red and white one.

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Is the Lotus on the photos from Pergusa a 20, its possible a fourth car or is not Moser’s car. I have al photos after the July 1962 with the same colour then your car.
The last race with a Lotus 20 or 22 must by the Freiburg – Schauinsland Swiss hill climb race on 29.09.1963 and a Photo in the Automobil Revue the colour is clear with a stripe like your. The result was 2nd overall behind Charles Voegele.

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Posted 27 February 2006 - 09:31

The car in the photo with the tramcar is definately an 18 - the rear of the body is more 'square' and the gear linkage comes in from the bottom (like on a Hewland - though this will probably be a Renault or Citroen gearbox.

I don't recognise the event & the number does not agree with any I have found for Silvio Moser on the F2 web site.

Maybe the car at Pergusa was an 18 - though the Pergus photo with the car on a trailer behind the big american car looks like a 20. There may be a mistake on the photos because the bodywork on the car in the Pergusa crash is not white.

#13 Michael Oliver

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Posted 30 November 2022 - 11:39

If this car a Lotus 18 then the date of this photo must by end of 1961 or begin of 1962 and I think at Ollon – Villars. The scenery in the background of this image, lucks for my, similar as the way to the start line coming back from Villars. The photo is not good enough to let the number plate from the Vespa or the letters from the train. I think it’s the same car I founded on September 1966 on my arrival at Lugano, the red and white one.

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Is the Lotus on the photos from Pergusa a 20, its possible a fourth car or is not Moser’s car. I have al photos after the July 1962 with the same colour then your car.
The last race with a Lotus 20 or 22 must by the Freiburg – Schauinsland Swiss hill climb race on 29.09.1963 and a Photo in the Automobil Revue the colour is clear with a stripe like your. The result was 2nd overall behind Charles Voegele.

I hope this is not a record for the amount of time taken to reply to a post but it very well might be! I'm just checking some dates and race numbers for Silvio Moser in Lotus Formula Juniors and can confirm that 12 was the number used by him at the 1963 Ollon-Villars hillclimb. His car was just listed as a Lotus, competing in the Formula Junior class, with a capacity of 1097cc. However, I am quite certain from the shape of the opening in the rear bodywork, that this is a 1961 Lotus 20.



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Posted 30 November 2022 - 18:58

I hope this is not a record for the amount of time taken to reply to a post but it very well might be! I'm just checking some dates and race numbers for Silvio Moser in Lotus Formula Juniors and can confirm that 12 was the number used by him at the 1963 Ollon-Villars hillclimb. His car was just listed as a Lotus, competing in the Formula Junior class, with a capacity of 1097cc. However, I am quite certain from the shape of the opening in the rear bodywork, that this is a 1961 Lotus 20.

The Tram/Train in the picture is almost certainly the Aigle-Ollon-Monthey-Champéry line, later known as the AOMC. Things have changed a lot since then, but the first impression I had was the road from Aigle to Martigny, where it passes Ollon. 

Freiburg-Schauinsland is in Germany, by the way, not Switzerland.



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Posted 30 November 2022 - 19:15

See tram: https://www.flickr.c...nne/47409705171

 

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Posted 30 November 2022 - 19:56

The 18 had a taller. narrower rear opening:

 

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It could, I suppose, be a rebodied 18...


Edited by Bloggsworth, 30 November 2022 - 19:58.


#17 The Mountaineer

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Posted 01 December 2022 - 08:19

In the book "Silvio Moser - Pilota independente", published in 2014, our friend Beat was responsible for the statistics part and there he made it clear that  Moser never raced another Lotus FJ than 20-FJ-968. First race Cesenatico 29.04.1962, last appearance Schauinsland 29.09.1963

 

This Schauinsland hillclimb, by the way, was a Swiss championship event held on Germn territory.



#18 Michael Oliver

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Posted 02 December 2022 - 19:26

The Tram/Train in the picture is almost certainly the Aigle-Ollon-Monthey-Champéry line, later known as the AOMC. Things have changed a lot since then, but the first impression I had was the road from Aigle to Martigny, where it passes Ollon. 

Freiburg-Schauinsland is in Germany, by the way, not Switzerland.

Thanks Henk, that's very useful!



#19 Michael Oliver

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Posted 02 December 2022 - 19:27

Wow Rupert, could even have been taken at that very junction...thanks!



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#20 Michael Oliver

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Posted 02 December 2022 - 19:30

The 18 had a taller. narrower rear opening:

 

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It could, I suppose, be a rebodied 18...

Thanks. I'm pretty sure it is a 20 in the photo posted by Beat, the semi-circle shape of the rear opening is very distinctive and the car in the photo doesn't have top links so it can't be a 22. We know that Moser bought a new 20 as well, so this would fit with that, although he did own a Lotus 18 FJ as well at one point.



#21 Michael Oliver

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Posted 02 December 2022 - 19:34

In the book "Silvio Moser - Pilota independente", published in 2014, our friend Beat was responsible for the statistics part and there he made it clear that  Moser never raced another Lotus FJ than 20-FJ-968. First race Cesenatico 29.04.1962, last appearance Schauinsland 29.09.1963

 

This Schauinsland hillclimb, by the way, was a Swiss championship event held on Germn territory.

Thank you. I guess he crashed it and it was rebuilt, several times... I didn't know that Schauinsland was a Swiss Championship round either...



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Posted 03 December 2022 - 10:56

Thank you. I guess he crashed it and it was rebuilt, several times... I didn't know that Schauinsland was a Swiss Championship round either...

 

The Swiss held a National event at Freiburg on 23 - 9 -62 using the upper part of the course (Automobile Revue 27-9-62)

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#23 Michael Oliver

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Posted 09 December 2022 - 00:14

Thanks, Richard.