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[Valentinik]

I would like to think MS at times are very very very smart in this.

Even David Coulthard himself admitted that he had been psychoed by MS before
And saying that he would not allow himself to be psychoed in future.
Whenever DC is challenging for points lead, MS will come out with his remarks of who is his strongest challenger, and DC definitely not in the list




Well, I think Prost is quite good in this as well. He had screwed Senna's head a couple of times before.

[whoisjohngalt]

i agree, ms very good with this.

anyway, ever noticed that drivers who actually have the ability to win are the ones always playing down his chances & other drivers who seems to be not at par do the the opposite?

[RDM]

Oh - those kind of mind games!

I thought you were referring to the fact that JPM can very nearly count to 10 in his head, without writing it down.

[Valentinik]

I thought so too.

Raikkonen, MS and Alonso all sounded positive without being arrogant, and they have respect for each other.

These are the 3 top guns now.


but come Button, he is blowing his own trumpet of nobody is driving better than him, bla bla bla bla.

[Valentinik]

But nobody compares to the extremely superb mind game and a classic one that should go down to history of motorsport.



Valentino Rossi mind ****ed Sete Gibernau.


Sete was consistently winning races, till Rossi got unruly and cursed in Qatar 2004 " Sete will never win a race anymore"
and those words seemed to haunt Sete forever, so many times when he is so close to winning, he makes a mistake , or Rossi beats him or his bike let him down.

Rossi further rubbed into Sete at Jerez 2005 by humiliating him infront of TV camera when Sete is holding his arm in pain.
Well, that should had made Sete boiled over his head and getting too desperate to beat Rossi till he dug his own grave by making all the mistakes.


That is real classic case. And it is a special moment of MOTORSPORTS MIND GAMES.

[Valentinik]

But nobody compares to the extremely superb mind game and a classic one that should go down to history of motorsport.



How Valentino Rossi mind ****ed Sete Gibernau.


Sete was consistently winning races, till Rossi got unruly and cursed in Qatar 2004 " Sete will never win a race anymore"
and those words seemed to haunt Sete forever, so many times when he is so close to winning, he makes a mistake , or Rossi beats him or his bike let him down.

Rossi further rubbed into Sete at Jerez 2005 by humiliating him infront of TV camera when Sete is holding his arm in pain.
Well, that should had made Sete boiled over his head and getting too desperate to beat Rossi till he dug his own grave by making all the mistakes.


That is real classic case. And it is a special moment of MOTORSPORTS MIND GAMES.

[SpamJet]

What do u mean by mind games? Chess?

[baddog]

Originally posted by Valentinik
Rossi further rubbed into Sete at Jerez 2005 by humiliating him infront of TV camera when Sete is holding his arm in pain.

Wow what a lovely guy.

Shaun

[dgsg]

Originally posted by RDM
Oh - those kind of mind games!

I thought you were referring to the fact that JPM can very nearly count to 10 in his head, without writing it down.

[Lontano]

Originally posted by Valentinik Rossi further rubbed into Sete at Jerez 2005 by humiliating him infront of TV camera when Sete is holding his arm in pain.

that was quite disgusting, laughing at someone he had just injured

[whoisjohngalt]

Originally posted by Valentinik
But nobody compares to the extremely superb mind game and a classic one that should go down to history of motorsport.



Valentino Rossi mind ****ed Sete Gibernau.


Sete was consistently winning races, till Rossi got unruly and cursed in Qatar 2004 " Sete will never win a race anymore"
and those words seemed to haunt Sete forever, so many times when he is so close to winning, he makes a mistake , or Rossi beats him or his bike let him down.

Rossi further rubbed into Sete at Jerez 2005 by humiliating him infront of TV camera when Sete is holding his arm in pain.
Well, that should had made Sete boiled over his head and getting too desperate to beat Rossi till he dug his own grave by making all the mistakes.


That is real classic case. And it is a special moment of MOTORSPORTS MIND GAMES.

AGREE! AGREE!

hahaha, man...gibernau was really a mess last season. my friends and i now call rossi THE WITCH DOCTOR.

[Red ITC]

Originally posted by Lontano


that was quite disgusting, laughing at someone he had just injured

He was laughing at Giveupnow's drama queenery, not his injury, as were millions of people everywhere watching it on TV (apart from the Catalans, obviously).

Anyway, despite Rossi's mental destruction of Biaggi and Miss Barcelona, the ultimate bike headgamer was Mick Doohan. Never lost a battle of wits.

[SkorbiF1]

I have my own list here:
Two different categories in mind games, those that are good out-psyching others, and those that are immune to that.

MS is very good in out-psyching people, and would probably be on top of this category in today's grid, but he is not immune to it himself, and has "cracked because of pressure" before.

KR seems very immune to any mindgames, he makes mistakes as everyone else, but often these mistakes happen, not because of pressure or mind-games, but when he is driving by himself with no pressure at all (lack of concentration maybe?). But KR is not out-psyching anyone either, so he lacks in the offensive area.

FA seems to be very good in both areas, and I think he will have the edge of the young guns in mind-games, the only thing is that his biggest rival does not seem to be be affected by this in any way. (history repeating itself?)





From all-time (ok, just the time i've seen), I'd like to nominate two drivers:
Alain Prost, very calculating driver on and off car. He also knew how to handle other drivers and their minds when the championship was tight.

Mika Hakkinen was very immune to any mindgames, while he still knew how to disturb his greatest rival Michael Schumacher. I'd list Hakkinen as my ALL-TIME top in mindgames. And here's an example.

In the deciding Japanese GP at '98:
"With five weeks between the Luxembourg and Japanese Grands Prix Ferrari and McLaren spent their time testing and playing psychological games in preparation for the World Championship showdown in Suzuka. In qualifying Michael Schumacher beat Mika Hakkinen to pole by a tenth of a second. This was an astounding performance by Schumacher as his Ferrari team mate Eddie Irvine was almost two complete seconds slower. Irvine could not explain what had happened because he had no problems with his car and felt that fourth place was the best he could do. David Coulthard was third on the grid only a second slower than Hakkinen.

Everyone was very edgy at the start with Trulli stalling as they waited for the lights to go out. The start was aborted. At the second attempt Michael Schumacher's Ferrari stalled. He would have to start at the back. Suddenly the pressure was off Hakkinen. He was on pole and there were 20 cars between him and Schumacher."

If I remember correctly, Mika walked to Schumacher's before the warmup lap, handshaked him and said "Goodluck to the race."

[kamix]

JPM vs MS, JPM always wins. He can rub MS up like no other driver on the grid I love it

Of course he is acting like a 'whada ****in idiot' to do so, but no one else got MS like that - Mika could make MS nervous, JPM just makes him completely angry

[RDM]

Originally posted by Lontano


that was quite disgusting, laughing at someone he had just injured

Not really - as said by somebody else, he was taking the piss out of Sete drama-queening it.

Rossi received the crowds chants of (I understand) "Son of a bitch, son of a bitch" with good humour though.

If Sete had genuinely been injured - and he does seem to make the most of any slight scratch - then I doubt Rossi would be smiling.

[Lontano]

Originally posted by Red ITC


He was laughing at Giveupnow's drama queenery, not his injury, as were millions of people everywhere watching it on TV (apart from the Catalans, obviously).

Anyway, despite Rossi's mental destruction of Biaggi and Miss Barcelona, the ultimate bike headgamer was Mick Doohan. Never lost a battle of wits.

nobody will argue you about Sete's drama-queen habilities, what i found disgusting was the fact that he hit him, then laughed at him for being in pain (actually, Sete run the next race taking tranquilizers for the pain)

[Ross Stonefeld]

Ultimately the driver that doesnt play them.

Look at how Webber responded to the inert Heidfeld.

[Lontano]

Originally posted by RDM

Not really - as said by somebody else, he was taking the piss out of Sete drama-queening it.

Rossi received the crowds chants of (I understand) "Son of a bitch, son of a bitch" with good humour though.

If Sete had genuinely been injured - and he does seem to make the most of any slight scratch - then I doubt Rossi would be smiling.

he apologized later about that, so i guess that sums it up

[Lontano]

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
Ultimately the driver that doesnt play them.

Look at how Webber responded to the inert Heidfeld.

Webber was quite good psyching Pizzonia, but i guess Heidfeld's "ya, whatever, i'll just sit here if you don't mind" attitude was too much for him

[aditya-now]

Originally posted by Valentinik
I would like to think MS at times are very very very smart in this.

Even David Coulthard himself admitted that he had been psychoed by MS before
And saying that he would not allow himself to be psychoed in future.
Whenever DC is challenging for points lead, MS will come out with his remarks of who is his strongest challenger, and DC definitely not in the list
Well, I think Prost is quite good in this as well. He had screwed Senna's head a couple of times before.

Vrba, this is too much. Always the same old stories ! Must be endless time loops in your head.

Aditya

[polaris]

KR gets my vote for the silent treatment. I get it every day and it spins me out.

[SeanValen]

Originally posted by kamix
JPM vs MS, JPM always wins. He can rub MS up like no other driver on the grid I love it

Of course he is acting like a 'whada ****in idiot' to do so, but no one else got MS like that - Mika could make MS nervous, JPM just makes him completely angry

Well when it mattered in a championship fight, JPM made a little error in qualifying at Monza 2003, which cost him the position of pole and to control the race, and he lost the battle in the first few corners against MS.

JPM also tried to win the race from Michael in Brazil 2002, Michael defended, JPM got caught out, and Berger with JPM in a f1 racing interview, talked about it, and Berger fought JPM was in the wrong, one thing about JPM, he never did learn from MS, as Frank Williams told him too.


Also in Indy 2003 practice, when it was wet, MS went out and was directly behind JPM, a on track mind game, Michael showing how it's done in the wet, maybe it worked, because come the race, JPM's overtaking skills abandoned him in his attempt to stay in the hunt for the title, he moved on Rubens too early. That practice session in the wet was probabley the best mind game played out on track before the race. You notice JPM in Hungary/Monza and Indy in 2003, in these championship races he was not his aggressive self, when he's not challenging for the championship, and has nothing to lose, he'll take those risks against Michael, but come the pressure of delivering a title, mentally he's weak, 2003 was the season to prove himself, mentally as a driver.


Maybe he's gone away this winter, and will finally up himself in the head, where there is room for improvement.

[Corners]

Originally posted by Valentinik
I thought so too.

Raikkonen, MS and Alonso all sounded positive without being arrogant, and they have respect for each other.

These are the 3 top guns now.


but come Button, he is blowing his own trumpet of nobody is driving better than him, bla bla bla bla.

Alonso is a bit negative probably just his age though, I get the impression he could build up a massive rivalry with someone of the same attitude. And Webber, JV, Karthikeyan, Montoya are very stubborn, can't cope with being out-done. Since its always positive guys who are really the best at mind games simply on the fact that they wind the spoilt guys (whoops did I say spoilt ? I mean stubborn) guys up by just being 'unaffected' and just being themselves.
If Kimi stays at McLaren and beats Alonso in 2007 then there would be fireworks. Also thus reflected in the fans following suit of course.

[Haddock]

The best way to deal with gamesmanship in sport is to refuse to acknowledge the terms of the games in the first place.

Kimi Raikkonen and Fernando Alonso both appear to behave like that and it hasn't done them any harm. Means they don't have any unnecessary enemies out on the track.

[Sakae]

JV

[Mosquito]

Originally posted by MiPe
JV

I'd say a driver needs to be a contender for at least the top 5 spots to be able to play mind games and take himself seriously. Anything else is being delusional.

In the JV years (96, 97), I don't recall much of mind games from JV, but that could simply be my bad memory.

[Ricardo F1]

They're all shite. Anyone who gets worried about some lame ass comments made by another driver needs a confidence check. It's not the people who are best at mind games, it's the drivers that are susceptible to them.

[MPea3]

Originally posted by Ricardo F1
They're all shite. Anyone who gets worried about some lame ass comments made by another driver needs a confidence check. It's not the people who are best at mind games, it's the drivers that are susceptible to them.

Agreed. The best answer to bullshit out of anyone's mouth, regardless of the sport, is to beat him.

Originally posted by MiPe
JV

Dare I say it... DR? Okay, where's my old nomex suit...

[Mauseri]

Originally posted by Ricardo F1
They're all shite. Anyone who gets worried about some lame ass comments made by another driver needs a confidence check. It's not the people who are best at mind games, it's the drivers that are susceptible to them.

Yeah. These mind game theories are a bit lame. Some journalist stuff propably. I don't really think there is intentional mind wars going on between drivers. Strong mind will help to do better work in the spotlight that's all.

Maybe it might become an issue if drivers started talk crap of others but it doesn't happen a lot. They would only make themselves fool and shoot on own shoes.

[SlateGray]

Mike the bike!

[coyoteBR]

Ah, I miss Piquet...
Mind games? Those were child's play for him. Let's see some of this antics versus nigel Mansell:

- GP of Mexico, where people often get the "Montezuma Sickness". Piquet noticed that, in practice, the pit' stops of his teammate ere not to fix the car... so he went to all nearby bathroons and stole the toilet papers...
"Nigel went in one in a hurry and, noticing what I did, he really roared like a lion..."

- friday pre-race, late night. Just Piquet and a couple of mechanics in the Williams boxes. At that weekend, Piquet was just not as fast as Mansell. So, noticing there was nobody around, he went to the englishman cars, opened the zipper of his trousers, and let it go.

Next monrning, the mechanics were in panic. What was that liquid spot under Nigel's car? Was it leaking some fluid? so, while they start to open the engine, check this and that, and, in the process, ruining the set-up, Piquet was on track doing fast times.

- "So, he is not happy with the ugliest woman in the world, wants the second ugliest, too?"
(Piquet, when a reporter mentioned Nigel was building a statue of his wife)

- "Mansell is the greatest idiot I ever saw..."


Pure classic Too bad no driver of today is half of what Piquet was....

[DaleCooper]

Originally posted by coyoteBR
Ah, I miss Piquet...
Mind games? Those were child's play for him. Let's see some of this antics versus nigel Mansell:

- GP of Mexico, where people often get the "Montezuma Sickness". Piquet noticed that, in practice, the pit' stops of his teammate ere not to fix the car... so he went to all nearby bathroons and stole the toilet papers...
"Nigel went in one in a hurry and, noticing what I did, he really roared like a lion..."

- friday pre-race, late night. Just Piquet and a couple of mechanics in the Williams boxes. At that weekend, Piquet was just not as fast as Mansell. So, noticing there was nobody around, he went to the englishman cars, opened the zipper of his trousers, and let it go.

Next monrning, the mechanics were in panic. What was that liquid spot under Nigel's car? Was it leaking some fluid? so, while they start to open the engine, check this and that, and, in the process, ruining the set-up, Piquet was on track doing fast times.

- "So, he is not happy with the ugliest woman in the world, wants the second ugliest, too?"
(Piquet, when a reporter mentioned Nigel was building a statue of his wife)

- "Mansell is the greatest idiot I ever saw..."


Pure classic Too bad no driver of today is half of what Piquet was....

Piquet was a real gem!! We need more of this, less of drivers taking things too seriously. Same goes for the fans as well.

Cooper ( I'm still laughing)

[magicalonso]

Originally posted by coyoteBR


- "So, he is not happy with the ugliest woman in the world, wants the second ugliest, too?"
(Piquet, when a reporter mentioned Nigel was building a statue of his wife)

He said THAT??

[Sakae]

Originally posted by Mosquito
I'd say a driver needs to be a contender for at least the top 5 spots to be able to play mind games and take himself seriously. Anything else is being delusional.

In the JV years (96, 97), I don't recall much of mind games from JV, but that could simply be my bad memory.

Agree. He had been quiet now for past a few years, but in his time with Williams he was a champion IMO. HHF would be a good example, MS might say something about that as well, just to name two.

[John B]

The Piquet stories remind me that the mental aspect does come into play once in a while.....Piquet's finish to 1981 was not exact scintillating but it was far beyond Carlos Reutemanns, who had a tough second half. NP was able to pick up points at a couple races where things totally didn't go his way (useless rain tires/Canada, sick to stomach/Vegas) while CR was totally psyched out in both (plus had a bad misjudgement in a previous race running into Laffite). In fairness, CR may have suffered long standing effects of the fatal accident with the mechanic in Belgium (I vaguely remember this being discussed on TNF recently)

[davegp3]

Originally posted by kamix
JPM vs MS, JPM always wins. He can rub MS up like no other driver on the grid I love it

Of course he is acting like a 'whada ****in idiot' to do so, but no one else got MS like that - Mika could make MS nervous, JPM just makes him completely angry

Yeah that mind game in Monaco tunnel in 2004 was masterpiece by JPM

[boostpressure]

Originally posted by Mosquito
In the JV years (96, 97), I don't recall much of mind games from JV, but that could simply be my bad memory.

he ****ed with Frentzen's head at the beginning of 1997, when in practise for the Australian GP he was slower than Heinz Harald and let him strutt around with his chest puffed out thinking he had the upper hand.

then came saturday......

Hill said Jacques liked to play with people's minds, doing certain things to throw people off or just plainly piss them off. However you are right, its been a long time since Jacques has even had any reason to play mind games.

[Rob76]

Originally posted by boostpressure


he ****ed with Frentzen's head at the beginning of 1997, when in practise for the Australian GP he was slower than Heinz Harald and let him strutt around with his chest puffed out thinking he had the upper hand.

then came saturday......

Hill said Jacques liked to play with people's minds, doing certain things to throw people off or just plainly piss them off. However you are right, its been a long time since Jacques has even had any reason to play mind games.

The last time I heard of JV trying to play silly mind games, or at least make a teammate feel uncomfortable was the chair incident with Jenson Button. Although the details are sketchy (and therefore not entirely reliable ;) ) it had to do with JV telling JB that he was in 'his' chair during a team debrief. When JB refused to change seats JV said they would have to have words about it later. Button's response went something like 'about a chair? I don't think so.'

The early 2003 season started with JV trying to destabilize his incoming teammate, with comments to the press about JB not being quick enough. Their relationship did improve throughout the year, but you did get the feeling JV felt JB (along with Dave Richards) had basically forced him out of his own team.

The current JV seems a little more grown up. Maybe fighting for his future in F1 and focusing on his own performance rather than what his teammate is doing or getting has helped him mature. I predict any attempts to destabilize Heidfeld will come to nothing. Nick doesn't seem to be the type to be overly bothered what his teammate does or says. Webber's comments that he just sits there and (in Marks eye) reaps the benefits didn't provoke any response.

[emburmak]

The mind games King has to be Alain Prost. On several occasions he has out-pysched his teamates AS included. In 1988 at the Portuese GP with almost 20 minutes to go he set a time and changed to chivies in essence telling Senna that his time was unbeatable. Senna tried but could not beat it. Then later in the interview Prost claimed not to be too intreasted in taking the risks required to go for pole. Again at Monaco of that year trailing Senna by over 30 seconds, Prost initiated a series of fastest laps forcing Senna to respond which resulted in him crashing out.In both 1988 & 1989 Prost prematurely conceeded the WDC. In 1990 after the Mexico GP qualifing when he qualified 13, he claimed his title aspirations were at an end. Subsequently he not only demolished everybody in the race but went on to claim 3 victories in a row to forcefully reinstate his championship claims. Again after that hat-trick of wins he again conceeded the WDC only to totally demolish Senna at the Portuese GP of that year.

[Rob76]

Originally posted by coyoteBR
Ah, I miss Piquet...
Mind games? Those were child's play for him. Let's see some of this antics versus nigel Mansell:

- GP of Mexico, where people often get the "Montezuma Sickness". Piquet noticed that, in practice, the pit' stops of his teammate ere not to fix the car... so he went to all nearby bathroons and stole the toilet papers...
"Nigel went in one in a hurry and, noticing what I did, he really roared like a lion..."

- friday pre-race, late night. Just Piquet and a couple of mechanics in the Williams boxes. At that weekend, Piquet was just not as fast as Mansell. So, noticing there was nobody around, he went to the englishman cars, opened the zipper of his trousers, and let it go.

Next monrning, the mechanics were in panic. What was that liquid spot under Nigel's car? Was it leaking some fluid? so, while they start to open the engine, check this and that, and, in the process, ruining the set-up, Piquet was on track doing fast times.

- "So, he is not happy with the ugliest woman in the world, wants the second ugliest, too?"
(Piquet, when a reporter mentioned Nigel was building a statue of his wife)

- "Mansell is the greatest idiot I ever saw..."


Pure classic Too bad no driver of today is half of what Piquet was....

Some of it is childish fun (as with Gerhard Berger and Senna) and could certainly make an entertaining headline, but when it ends up with the team stripping down a car (if it was true - never heard that one before) he comes across as being a bit of a prick.

Some of the time it seemed more likely that he was resorting to personal insults of Mansell (and his wife - which certainly should have earned him a black eye or two) off the track because Mansell was often showing him up on the track.

Usually when Piquet opens his mouth nowadays, he gives the impression that he's an obnoxious, arrogant man who doesn't need more than half an opportunity to mention his fabulous wealth (like we're really that interested). I'd certainly tend towards agreeing with Mansell when he dismissed him as 'just a vile man'.

[skinnylizard]

Originally posted by coyoteBR
Ah, I miss Piquet...
Mind games? Those were child's play for him. Let's see some of this antics versus nigel Mansell:

- GP of Mexico, where people often get the "Montezuma Sickness". Piquet noticed that, in practice, the pit' stops of his teammate ere not to fix the car... so he went to all nearby bathroons and stole the toilet papers...
"Nigel went in one in a hurry and, noticing what I did, he really roared like a lion..."

- friday pre-race, late night. Just Piquet and a couple of mechanics in the Williams boxes. At that weekend, Piquet was just not as fast as Mansell. So, noticing there was nobody around, he went to the englishman cars, opened the zipper of his trousers, and let it go.

Next monrning, the mechanics were in panic. What was that liquid spot under Nigel's car? Was it leaking some fluid? so, while they start to open the engine, check this and that, and, in the process, ruining the set-up, Piquet was on track doing fast times.

- "So, he is not happy with the ugliest woman in the world, wants the second ugliest, too?"
(Piquet, when a reporter mentioned Nigel was building a statue of his wife)

- "Mansell is the greatest idiot I ever saw..."


Pure classic Too bad no driver of today is half of what Piquet was....

i dont think any of those really come across as mind games. mostly weak practical jokes maybe. and i would say it has to be someone solidly threatened to do something to this extent.

compared to things like just going out there and doing a Prost maybe.

[Arrow]

Prosts mental destruction of Mansell in 1990 is well known. One funny story from that year was at the Brazilian Gp (i think) when he and mansell had worked together all weekend on setup and wing levels for the race, when just before the race with the cars sitting on the grid, Prost called over his mechanics and they started working on the car changing wing levels. Mansell saw it and went ballisitic.

Pity we dont see this type of gamesmanship with todays drivers.

[skinnylizard]

prolly coz fewer drivers work together?

[330R]

Originally posted by Arrow
Prosts mental destruction of Mansell in 1990 is well known. One funny story from that year was at the Brazilian Gp (i think) when he and mansell has worked together all weekend on setup and wing levels for the race, when just before the race with the cars sitting on the grid, Prost called over his mechanics and they started working on the car changing wing levels. Mansell saw it and went ballisitic.

Man, that is messed up!

[De Weberis]

Originally posted by Arrow
Prosts mental destruction of Mansell in 1990 is well known. One funny story from that year was at the Brazilian Gp (i think) when he and mansell has worked together all weekend on setup and wing levels for the race, when just before the race with the cars sitting on the grid, Prost called over his mechanics and they started working on the car changing wing levels. Mansell saw it and went ballisitic.

Pity we dont see this type of gamesmanship with todays drivers.

Piquet did it before to Mansell when they where at Williams and Nigel was copying his set-ups all the time.

About Piquet calling Nigel's wife ugly, I guess Mansell agrees w/ Nelson bcs they have divorced and at the GP Masters' race the camera was showing his brand new young wife, that could pass through his daugther.
What I mean is his wife agreed to mortgage their house to foster finance Nigel racing career.
I'm no one to judge but Nigel was also mean to her.

[Rob76]

Originally posted by De Weberis

Piquet did it before to Mansell when they where at Williams and Nigel was copying his set-ups all the time.

About Piquet calling Nigel's wife ugly, I guess Mansell agrees w/ Nelson bcs they have divorced and at the GP Masters' race the camera was showing his brand new young wife, that could pass through his daugther.
What I mean is his wife agreed to mortgage their house to foster finance Nigel racing career.
I'm no one to judge but Nigel was also mean to her.

You're talking out of your arse. Mansell is still married to the same woman he married 31 years ago. The young lady the camera kept showing in the pits was his daughter....

Here's a recent interview which actually touched on the subject of Mansell's long term marriage being quite rare in the playboy world of F1.

[carbonfibre]

Originally posted by Arrow
Prosts mental destruction of Mansell in 1990 is well known. One funny story from that year was at the Brazilian Gp (i think) when he and mansell had worked together all weekend on setup and wing levels for the race, when just before the race with the cars sitting on the grid, Prost called over his mechanics and they started working on the car changing wing levels. Mansell saw it and went ballisitic.

Pity we dont see this type of gamesmanship with todays drivers.

Indeed Prost just made Mansell crazy in 1990. Michael is also a master in mind games.

[baddog]

Originally posted by De Weberis

Piquet did it before to Mansell when they where at Williams and Nigel was copying his set-ups all the time.

About Piquet calling Nigel's wife ugly, I guess Mansell agrees w/ Nelson bcs they have divorced and at the GP Masters' race the camera was showing his brand new young wife, that could pass through his daugther.
What I mean is his wife agreed to mortgage their house to foster finance Nigel racing career.
I'm no one to judge but Nigel was also mean to her.

Vile creature you are..

[HP]

Originally posted by Rob76
Here's a recent interview which actually touched on the subject of Mansell's long term marriage being quite rare in the playboy world of F1.

Thanks for that link. Awesome

[tifoso]

Originally posted by kamix
JPM vs MS, JPM always wins. He can rub MS up like no other driver on the grid I love it

Of course he is acting like a 'whada ****in idiot' to do so, but no one else got MS like that - Mika could make MS nervous, JPM just makes him completely angry

hmm. Not surprising, but I always saw it as the other way around. JPM completely lost the plot whenever MS muscled him the way he like to muscle others. Think Brazil. JPM went nuts over that for over 2 weeks -- and it was nothing more than a Montoya move.