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[Tomecek]

FIA published its 2008 Sporting regulations for formula one

I tried to pick up most important articles:

[QUOTE]All drivers, competitors and officials participating in the Championship must hold a FIA Super Licence.
Applications for Super Licences must be made annually to the FIA through the applicant's ASN.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]The maximum number of Events in the Championship is 20, the minimum is 8.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Applications to compete in the Championship may be submitted to the FIA during the period 24-31 March, on an entry form as set out in Appendix 2 hereto accompanied by an undertaking to pay the entry fee of €300,000 to the FIA no later than 1 November 2007. Applications at other times will only be considered where if a place is available. FIA will publish the list of cars and drivers accepted together with their race numbers on 28 April 2006[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]deposit US$48,000,000 (forty-eight million United States dollars) cancelled[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]A major car manufacturer may not directly or indirectly supply engines for more than two teams of two cars each without the consent of the FIA. For the purposes of this Article 43, a major car manufacturer is a company whose shares are quoted on a recognised stock exchange or the subsidiary of such a company.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]If one of the team’s nominated drivers is unable to drive at some stage after the end of initial scrutineering, and the stewards consent to a change of driver, the third driver may take part in the remainder of the Event. Under such circumstances the driver concerned must use the engine, gearbox and tyres which were allocated to the original driver[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]In order that the cars of each team may be easily distinguished from one another whilst they are on the
track, the on board camera located above the principle roll structure of the first car must be predominantly
fluorescent red, the same camera on the second car fluorescent yellow and any third car must remain as
supplied to the team[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]No competitor may carry out more than 30000km of testing during a calendar year.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]The FIA will designate an area in the pit lane where each team may work and two places where
pit stops may be carried out.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]One tyre supplier[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]The Championship will be contested on grooved tyres. The FIA reserve the right to introduce at any time a method of measuring remaining groove depth if performance appears to be enhanced by high wear or by the use of tyres which are worn so that the grooves are no longer visible. CANCELLED[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Each driver may use no more than one engine for two consecutive Events in which his team
competes. Should a driver use a replacement engine he will be required to comply with a minimum
weight limit 15kg higher than stated in Article 4.1 of the 2008 FIA Formula One Technical Regulations at that Event each time an engine other than the original one is used. No more differencies between pre/ and post/qualifing changes[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Only engines which have been homologated by the FIA in accordance with Appendix 6 may be used
at an Event during the 2008, 2009 and 2010 seasons.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Each driver may use no more than one gearbox for four consecutive Events in which his team
competes. Should a driver use a replacement gearbox he will be required to comply with a minimum
weight limit 15kg higher than stated in Article 4.1 of the 2008 FIA Formula One Technical Regulations
at that Event each time a gearbox other than the original one is used. Unless the driver fails to finish
the race (see below) the gearbox fitted to the car at the end of the Event must remain in it for three
further Events. Any driver who failed to finish the race at the first, second or third of the four Events
for reasons beyond the control of the team or driver, may start the following Event with a different
gearbox without a penalty being incurred.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]When the order is given to deploy the safety car :
- all observer's posts will display waved yellow flags and a board "SC" which shall be maintained
until the intervention is over ;
- the pit entry will be closed until all cars on the track have formed up in a line behind the safety
car. A ten second time penalty (see Article 54) will be imposed on any driver who enters the pit
lane whilst it is closed. Any car which was in the pit entry or pit lane when the safety car was
deployed will not incur a penalty.
If it is deemed necessary for the safety car to use the pit lane (see i) below) cars following it will
not incur a penalty.[/QUOTE]

[Mosquito]

I haven't read it, and am too lazy to check the major highlights. Is there an executive summary somewhere?

[chris_canuk]

Originally posted by Mosquito
I haven't read it, and am too lazy to check the major highlights. Is there an executive summary somewhere?

Yeah, it's right here:

Remember all the stupid things Max wanted? Well, he got them.

[Clatter]

Only had the briefest look, but one thing stood out.

No more grid penalties for engine changes, instead a 15kg weight penalty for each change. Same penalty for gearbox change, and the gearbox has to last for 3 events.

[baddog]

There must be a change I dont hate. I cant immediately spot one though

[Clatter]

30000km test limit.

[chris_canuk]

Why only one week (2006-03-24 to 2006-03-31) to apply for the 2008 season?

[Gareth]

Originally posted by baddog
There must be a change I dont hate. I cant immediately spot one though

Getting rid of the $48m entry bond?

[Bart]

Slicks may be back? Although they'll be hard slicks, but they'll still look better.

[baddog]

Originally posted by Gareth

Getting rid of the $48m entry bond?

K thats one thanks.

[jokuvaan]

"30000km test limit."

That's gonna be expensive one, new simulation tools and running floors.

But I did read that teams can change rules if they want to, so nothing is certain.

[Mosquito]

What I could quickly asses from it:

43 A major car manufacturer may not directly or indirectly supply engines for more than two teams of two cars each without the consent of the FIA. For the purposes of this Article 43, a major car manufacturer is a company whose shares are quoted on a recognised stock exchange or the subsidiary of such a company.

63 a) Testing shall be considered any track running time undertaken by a competitor entered in the Championship. Any other track running time undertaken by, or on behalf of a competitor entered in the Championship (or which is suspected of being connected in any way whatsoever with a competitor entered in the Championship) is not permitted.

63 b) No competitor may carry out more than 30000km of testing during a calendar year.

73) A tyre manufacturer will be chosen by the FIA for the 2008, 2009 and 2010 seasons following an invitation for tenders to supply tyres to all the cars entered in Championship Events for the duration of these seasons.
The appointed tyre supplier must undertake to provide:
- two specifications of dry-weather tyre at each Event, each of which must be of one homogenous compound ;
- one specification of wet-weather tyre at each Event which must be of one homogenous compound ;
- one specification of extreme-weather tyre at each Event which must be of one homogenous compound.

81) All cars must be fitted with a car positioning system which has been manufactured by the FIA designated supplier to a specification determined by the FIA. No other parts which, in the opinion of the FIA are capable of performing a similar function, may be fitted to any car.

83) Except when a car is being run under Article 58(b), each competitor may have no more than two cars available for use at any one time during an Event. Any partially assembled survival cell will be deemed to be a car in this context if it fitted with an engine, any front suspension, bodywork, radiators, oil tanks or
heat exchangers.

86 a) Each driver may use no more than one engine for two consecutive Events in which his team competes. Should a driver use a replacement engine he will be required to comply with a minimum weight limit 15kg higher than stated in Article 4.1 of the 2008 FIA Formula One Technical Regulations at that Event each time an engine other than the original one is used. Unless the driver fails to finish the race (see below) the engine fitted to the car at the end of the Event must remain in it until the end of the next. Any driver who failed to finish the race at the first of the two Events for reasons beyond the control of the team or driver, may start the second with a different engine without a penalty being incurred.

An engine will be deemed to have been used once the car’s timing transponder has shown that it has
left the pit lane.

87) a) Each driver may use no more than one gearbox for four consecutive Events in which his team competes. Should a driver use a replacement gearbox he will be required to comply with a minimum weight limit 15kg higher than stated in Article 4.1 of the 2008 FIA Formula One Technical Regulations at that Event each time a gearbox other than the original one is used. Unless the driver fails to finish the race (see below) the gearbox fitted to the car at the end of the Event must remain in it for three further Events. Any driver who failed to finish the race at the first, second or third of the four Events for reasons beyond the control of the team or driver, may start the following Event with a different gearbox without a penalty being incurred.

A gearbox will be deemed to have been used once the car’s timing transponder has shown that it has left the pit lane.

b) If a driver is replaced after the first, second or third of a four Event period, having finished the first, second or third Events, the replacement driver must use the gearbox which the original driver had been using.

c) After consultation with the relevant team the FIA will attach seals to each gearbox in order to ensure that no moving parts can be rebuilt or replaced.

Following each of the first three Events, and within two hours of the end of the post race parc fermé, further seals will be applied in order to ensure that the gearbox cannot be used until the following Event. These seals will be removed at 09.00 on the day of initial scrutineering at the following Event.

d) A replacement gearbox will also be deemed to have been used if any of the FIA seals are damaged or removed from the original gearbox after it has been used for the first time.



116) a) Any driver whose car stops on the circuit during the qualifying session will not be permitted to take any further part in the session. Any car which stops on the circuit during the qualifying session, and which is returned to the pits before the end of the session, will be held in parc ferme until the end of the session.

126 (Reworded) Drivers must be available at all reasonable times during an Event to talk to the media as required by the
FIA press delegate.


d) When the order is given to deploy the safety car :
...
- the pit entry will be closed until all cars on the track have formed up in a line behind the safety car. A ten second time penalty (see Article 54) will be imposed on any driver who enters the pit lane whilst it is closed. Any car which was in the pit entry or pit lane when the safety car was deployed will not incur a penalty.
If it is deemed necessary for the safety car to use the pit lane (see i) below) cars following it will not incur a penalty.
...


Further:
- No more grooved tyres

- Tyre blankets / heaters no longer allowed?

- Some smalll changes to refuelling issues, people eligible for Q3 who can't participate must inform the FIA of the fuel they want to carry before Q3 starts.



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ENGINE HOMOLOGATION
1. A homologated engine is an engine identical in every respect to :
(i) an engine delivered to the FIA prior to 1 June 2006 or,
(ii) an engine delivered to the FIA after 1 June 2006, or modified and re-delivered to the FIA after 1 June 2006, which the FIA is satisfied, in its absolute discretion and after full consultation with all other suppliers of engines for the Championship, could fairly and equitably be allowed to compete with other homologated engines.
All such engines should be delivered in such a condition that the seals required under Article 85(d) can be fitted. Engines will be held by the FIA throughout the homologation period.
2. The supplier of a homologated engine and/or the team using the homologated engine must take and/or facilitate such steps as the FIA may at any time and in its absolute discretion determine in order to satisfy the FIA that an engine used at an Event is indeed identical to the corresponding engine delivered to and held by the FIA.
3. The FIA, in consultation with the TWG and the engine suppliers, will from time to time issue indicative
information as to the tests and inspection procedures to be applied.

[Psymon]

Each car will be deemed to be in parc fermé from 18.30 on the first day of practice until the green lights are illuminated at the start of the formation lap which immediately precedes the start of the race.

They've moved the parc fermé conditions earlier in the weekend.

I guess that is to ensure activity on track on Friday to get the race setup, though I imagine could result in less running in the saturday practice instead

[Just]

No standard ECU? No banning of traction control?

[Don Speekingleesh]

Originally posted by Just
No standard ECU? No banning of traction control?

They'd be in the tech regs.

[Just]

Aaah, tech regs only to be decided by 30 June. Gotcha.

[BRG]

For the purposes of this Article 43, a major car manufacturer is a company whose shares are quoted on a recognised stock exchange or the subsidiary of such a company.

So much for Ferrari's claim to be an independent?

But what the hell's this 'no supplying engines to no more than two teams without FIA consent' stuff about?

[Tomecek]

15 kg for eeach ngine and gearbox change.

[K-One]

Originally posted by Tomecek
15 kg for eeach ngine and gearbox change.

Mclaren has already implemented that rule since they got JPM?

[K-One]

Originally posted by BRG
For the purposes of this Article 43, a major car manufacturer is a company whose shares are quoted on a recognised stock exchange or the subsidiary of such a company.

So much for Ferrari's claim to be an independent?

I'm quite sure they'll have some loophole to avoid being listed as manufacturer

[Tomecek]

Originally posted by K-One


Mclaren has already implemented that rule since they got JPM?

Not funny.

[Mickey]

In any case that definition is limited to manufacturers suppliying engines. Nothing to do with independents receiving a share of money.

[Tomecek]

I find very interesting recent discussion between GPMA Teams and FIA. I believe FIA has upper hand here. Also to send GPMA's comments at 22:11 day before today's WMSC meeting is somewhat joke.

Next week will be very interesting!

Letter of GPMA to FIA
Mosley's reply

[Tomecek]

Originally posted by Mickey
In any case that definition is limited to manufacturers suppliying engines. Nothing to do with independents receiving a share of money.

I believe today is not about money, rather about who will be in 2008 FIA Formula One World Championship, and who will be not Don't forget, I believe Prodrive and Irvine wants to enter the championship, and we have 12 places only.

[Gareth]

One response to the Indy affair in the regs (change in bold) :

All drivers, competitors and officials participating in the Championship undertake, on behalf of themselves, their employees, agents and suppliers, to observe all the provisions as supplemented or amended of the International Sporting Code (the Code), the Formula One Technical Regulations (the Technical Regulations) and the present Sporting Regulations

[Mickey]

Originally posted by Tomecek
I believe today is not about money, rather about who will be in 2008 FIA Formula One World Championship, and who will be not Don't forget, I believe Prodrive and Irvine wants to enter the championship, and we have 12 places only.

I was replying to BRG, who made a comment about Ferrari's claim to be independent allegedly in order to get a share of the money from the sport's commercial rights.

Originally posted by BRG
For the purposes of this Article 43, a major car manufacturer is a company whose shares are quoted on a recognised stock exchange or the subsidiary of such a company.

So much for Ferrari's claim to be an independent?

[BRG]

Originally posted by Gareth
One response to the Indy affair in the regs (change in bold) :

Well, that's just idle and stupid verbiage from the FIA. How can a driver - say Vitantonio Liuzzi - be expected to undertake that one of his team's suppliers - say Nippon Denso - will not be in breach of the rules? Is he required to physically strip down the car to the last nut and bolt, measure and analayse every part and satisfay himself that everything is fully compliant? And interview every single person employed by his team and all its suppliers to make sure that they are absolutely compliant?

'Sorry, Sr Liuzzi, but Mr Yuichi Hashimoto, a junior clerk at Nippon Denso was picking his nose in a disrespectful way at his home in Kyoto. Japan, during the award presentation ceremony for the Brazilian GP. As a result, we are fining you $10 million. Thank you very much - cash will do nicely'

[luskiiimj]

To my mind, the engine freeze is the most ridiculous proposal. It seems totally unworkable; or at least uninteresting. Does anyone think this will come to pass? If so, I would be very disappointed. What would happen if the engine you homologated was crap? Would you not be stuck with it for the duration? And if so, why would you continue to take part in the Championship? I don't think any manufacturers want this, but what can be done? Is Max is pushing through his unworkable ideas, to hopefully garner a more workable solution from the GPMA? I hope so.

[BRG]

Originally posted by Mickey
In any case that definition is limited to manufacturers suppliying engines. Nothing to do with independents receiving a share of money.

At which point a different definition will kick in? Hmm, you're probably right of course, even though that would be totally inequitable.

[Dragonfly]

Farewell Formula 1.

[Mickey]

Originally posted by BRG
At which point a different definition will kick in? Hmm, you're probably right of course, even though that would be totally inequitable.

I think that would explain the addition of For the purposes of this Article 43.

We'll see.

[Al.]

Originally posted by BRG
Well, that's just idle and stupid verbiage from the FIA. How can a driver - say Vitantonio Liuzzi - be expected to undertake that one of his team's suppliers - say Nippon Denso - will not be in breach of the rules? Is he required to physically strip down the car to the last nut and bolt, measure and analayse every part and satisfay himself that everything is fully compliant? And interview every single person employed by his team and all its suppliers to make sure that they are absolutely compliant?

'Sorry, Sr Liuzzi, but Mr Yuichi Hashimoto, a junior clerk at Nippon Denso was picking his nose in a disrespectful way at his home in Kyoto. Japan, during the award presentation ceremony for the Brazilian GP. As a result, we are fining you $10 million. Thank you very much - cash will do nicely'

No........................Drivers, Competitors (The team) and officials. Thus a Nippon Denso supplied component is the responsibility of the team. The defense of 'sorry our supplier didn't bring a suitable component' no longer applies

[Gareth]

Originally posted by BRG
Well, that's just idle and stupid verbiage from the FIA. How can a driver - say Vitantonio Liuzzi - be expected to undertake that one of his team's suppliers - say Nippon Denso - will not be in breach of the rules?

It's their suppliers. In your hypothetical Nippon Denso are not a supplier to Liuzzi, they are a supplier to STR. Therefore only STR are responsible for their compliance.

[tifosi]

Originally posted by Dragonfly
Farewell Formula 1.

I'm inclined to agree.

[jaudrius]

Originally posted by BRG
For the purposes of this Article 43, a major car manufacturer is a company whose shares are quoted on a recognised stock exchange or the subsidiary of such a company.

So much for Ferrari's claim to be an independent?

But what the hell's this 'no supplying engines to no more than two teams without FIA consent' stuff about?

That's it - Ferrari is not quoted on a stock exchange. Ferrari stock is not floated. This is the loophole and Ferrari cannot be treated as a major car manufacturer.

[Gareth]

Originally posted by jaudrius
That's it - Ferrari is not quoted on a stock exchange. Ferrari stock is not floated. This is the loophole and Ferrari cannot be treated as a major car manufacturer.

FIAT is and Ferrari is a subsid of FIAT.

[tifosi]

Originally posted by Gareth

FIAT is and Ferrari is a subsid of FIAT.

Ferrari Spa which builds sports car. How hard do you think it will be to spin Ferrari F1 off into a nice tidy private holding company?

[Gareth]

Originally posted by tifosi


Ferrari Spa which builds sports car. How hard do you think it will be to spin Ferrari F1 off into a nice tidy private holding company?

Owned by who? I think the FIAT shareholders may object.

Anyway, if it works for FIAT/Ferrari, it'd work for Honda, Renault et al.

[NELF]

Originally posted by BRG
For the purposes of this Article 43, a major car manufacturer is a company whose shares are quoted on a recognised stock exchange or the subsidiary of such a company.

So much for Ferrari's claim to be an independent?

But what the hell's this 'no supplying engines to no more than two teams without FIA consent' stuff about?

the list of "recognised" stock exchange may not included the one where FIAT is listed...

[tifosi]

Originally posted by NELF


the list of "recognised" stock exchange may not included the one where FIAT is listed...

[Clatter]

Originally posted by jaudrius


That's it - Ferrari is not quoted on a stock exchange. Ferrari stock is not floated. This is the loophole and Ferrari cannot be treated as a major car manufacturer.

But FIAT are, and Ferrari could be considered a subsidary of FIAT.

[Clatter]

Originally posted by NELF


the list of "recognised" stock exchange may not included the one where FIAT is listed...

Thats a very good point.

[turin]

Originally posted by Tomecek
15 kg for eeach ngine and gearbox change.

WOW...bye bye to the Raikkonen storming up the field from the back of the grid.
At least that was fun.

Max is ga-ga


-pato

[Don Speekingleesh]

Originally posted by Clatter


Thats a very good point.

I think it's take a great leap of Max logic to not recognise the NYSE, where amusingly Fiat's symbol is FIA.

[Ickx]

64 b) The FIA will designate an area in the pit lane where each team may work and two places where pit stops may be carried out.

[NELF]

Originally posted by Don Speekingleesh


I think it's take a great leap of Max logic to not recognise the NYSE, where amusingly Fiat's symbol is FIA.

I will not be surprise by Max's logic anymore after the engine freeze rule proposal...

[HBoss]

Crap, crap, crap.
I have few years to find a way to lose interest in F1 before it dumbs me too.

[Dragonfly]

Should a driver use a replacement engine he will be required to comply with a minimum weight limit 15kg higher than stated in Article 4.1 of the 2008 FIA Formula One Technical Regulations at that Event each time an engine other than the original one is used.

If we take Massa at Sepang, is it worth participating with 30 kg of ballast?
And I can easily imagine someone with 45.

[Ricardo F1]

Nuts. Go GPWC!

[Tomecek]

I tried to pick up most important changes and updated first post