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[Hooster]

I am wondering what you people think of DC`s behaviour during this qualifying session. It looked to me he was more intent on getting back at Frentzen for having blocked him than at trying to get a decent qualifying time. He looked unproffessional and dangerous. His total disregard for Frentzens safety was appaling. I am just surprised Frentzen is taking it so well. He needs a tougher attitude if he is ever going to have a shot at the WDC.

Another thing I would like to mention while discussing the strange case is a quote from DC in F1 Racing`s August issue on page 42. It has to do with Austria 1999. "I was in front, Mika was behind. He tried to pass and we crashed". Does anyone agree with David on this? He was obviosly behind, made a lunge to pass Mika, caught Mika`s rear wheel with his front and destroyed Mika`s race, a race Mika would probably have won otherwise.

While Frentzen lacks the fire to win the WDC it seem`s to me that DC lacks the sanity.

Hooster[p][Edited by Hooster on 08-26-2000]

[P1 Pyrsol]

DC will not win the WDC until he realizes he must win it with hand-eye-foot coordination, and not with his mouth.

[Max Torque]

Different people, different characters.
Maybe DC is an arsehole, maybe he is just trying to survive in the tough F1 world. Personally, I like it that there are so many different characters in F1. Like this, the grid is very colorfull. And I don't mean just the cars' paintjobs by that...

[130R]

I agree that Coulthard's behaviour in qualifying was appaling. It looked intentional and there is no place for that crap -- its too dangerous. He should be relegated to the back of the grid!

Very disappointing.

[lomond]

I missed the qualifying. Could someone enlighten me as to what Coulthard was doing. What was the trouble between him and HFF?
Thank's.

[Hooster]

HHF spoiled one of DC's qualifing laps. It looked like he did not do it on purpose. What happened next was that DC blocked HHF during his qualifying lap in manner that looked calculated and dangerous in order to get revenge. Understandable if he was 5 years old but not when he is an athlete competing in a multimillion sport where lives can be at risk. DC should try to focus on the WDC and not some petty fueds.

By the way, congrats to Mika, Trulli and Button. I am particularly impressed with Button.

[Sudsbouy]

At least justice prevailed and DC had a poor qualifying session as a result of his unprofessional behavior. I'm sure that someone at McLaren will be able to point out the solution to him.

It will be interesting to see how DC's starting position affects the outcome of his race. He certainly will have more opportunity to be involved in an incident at the start.

Thank you.

[Max Torque]

HHF wasn't so quick to accuse DC of revenge and all that stuff. Maybe there was something else involved that we don't know about. Why would Frentzen take it so passively? I don't think he is a pussy...

[PeaQ]

nono, you all got it wrong. DC is always driving slowly on the backside of Spa.;)
He can't help it...

[daveturbo]

It does appear that DC has a very real problem at this track in particular. He was responsible for the biggest crash in F1s recent history here, not to mention the single most dangerous act anyone has ever perportrated in F1. Funny thing is he'll probably get away with it scott free AGAIN ! It becomes more and more difficult to find excuses for his behavour, his time must surely be up. I don't want to critisise anyone too much but DC keeps sc***ing up again and again. A good result, even the WDC, won't clear his name.

[Max Torque]

Yeah. We should really put a mark on his head.
I offer $50.000. Wanted Dead or Alive. Extremely Dangerous Felon. Hanging around the paddock of F1.

Get real people. It's not like he has done things that we haven't seen in the past.

[Hooster]

I don't understand you Max. Because someone did it before it is ok? Is that your point? I think it's time YOU got real.

[Ricardo F1]

Posted it in the other thread. . .

What a ****ing crock of sh**. Coulthard was blocked by HHF and, unfortunately, HHF came up on Coulthard as he was entering the bus stop. So what's Coulthard to do? Get out of the way and start his flying lap with a MPH disadvantage from the first instance?? Screw that. It was unfortunate but the way Frentzen was driving I doubt he'd have made the corner anyway, he was in too deep and too quick. And then as a result of HIS mistake, and a case of bad luck, baulked Coulthard on the start / finish line. AND YOU'RE CALLING DC UNPROFESSIONAL?????

Strewth . . .

People here have questioned whether fatherhood might alter Mika's state of mind, one things a fact - where the hell has the Heinz Harald Frentzen of last year disappeared to since fatherhood????

As for the daveturbo comment - what are you talking about man??? That huge pileup was not down to one driver, and MS drove into the back of Coulthard so don't start that crap again.

[Max Torque]

"Because someone did it before it is ok? "
Hooster, what exactly is this unforgivable thing DC did?
I'm talking about unsporting beheavior (if it trully was that). Many people have reacted like this in the past. Hell, Senna waited a whole year to repay Prost, and that was quite BIGGER than what DC did. DO you feel the same about Senna too?

[Hooster]

Thanks Max, good question. The answer is yes, I feel the same about the driver you mentioned. I despise behaviour like that from anyone, no matter what their name happens to be.

The thing DC did, I never said it was unforgivable, was to deliberately block and endanger a fellow driver. I am not simply talking about unsporting behaviour here. This goes beyond that, into the realm of dangerous behaviour.

[The_Z_Man]

Originally posted by Max Torque
Hell, Senna waited a whole year to repay Prost, and that was quite BIGGER than what DC did. DO you feel the same about Senna too?

IIRC, In the Senna Prost case, Senna cut the chicane after the 1989 collision with Prost and was disqualified for that, stripped of his victory and thus good chances of winning the Championship.

In 1990, in the briefing session, the chicane went into discussion, and it appeard that Senna was disqualified the year before for something that was deemed the most correct thing to do [i.e. you can't rejoin the track in another way], an irate Senna stormed out of the briefing room.

Moreover, his pole was moved from the left side of the track to the right, where it was dirty and slippery. Sure enough, Prost got the best start, the rest is history...

Was it sporting of Senna ? I don't think so but I can absolutely relate to his intens frustration at the time. To keep a long post short, it wasn't just a simple payback that had been 1 year in the waiting.

Well, that's how I remember the events, anyway.

The_Z_Man

[Max Torque]

Of course you remember it quite well Z. But that wasn't the point. The point was that Senna had his revenge a year later, no matter if he was unjustly denied his title (which I think he was). The action itself was a fact, no matter the case that surrounded it.

[Chris G.]

Am I missing something here? My impression is that HHF is a pretty easy-going nice guy. Doesn't seem like the type to pick a fight over nothing.

DC's behavior just reminds me of a spoiled brat child. Always pointing the finger (literally in some cases) yet does the exact same things (and today, worse) that he critisizes others for.

It's getting more and more difficult to not hate DC. I try to find something good about all the drivers, but DC just continues with this childish bs. I DO NOT TRUST HIM and if I were the other drivers on the track, I'd be scared racing around him.

He intentionally caused MS to smash into the back of him at Spa a few years back, he chopped MS at the start a few races ago and then chopped back the other way (a clear violation of the rules), now intentionally trying to wreck HHF. All the while, whining about how dangerous the other drivers are. The man is a menace, I think a one race ban is what he deserves for his actions today.

Watch for him to try a bonehead move at the start and wreck MS.

[Mecon]

What is amazing is that Ron keeps letting cube drive his car year after year with the kind of record he has, being unable to regularly compete with his team mate.

Could it be that Ron wants a driver who can not beat his boy Mika, at least with cube in the team he will not need to use team orders.

Or am I just cynical ?

[The_Z_Man]

Max, it looks more to me a case of "I-won't-let-them-screw-me-twice" than mere revenge, but the point is moot now.

Back to the topic at hand, couldn't get the qualifying, so I can't say anything about the Frentzen / Coulthard incidents.

Fortunately, i'll be able to catch the GP live, and I have the feeling that the first corner is likely provide enough controversy material.

The_Z_Man

[Max Torque]

Mecon, they only do that at Ferrari. Ron is just a bad judge of characters. Didn't you hear about Mika's extended problem with alcoholism?

[Lamont]

Originally posted by Chris G.

DC's behavior just reminds me of a spoiled brat child. Always pointing the finger (literally in some cases) yet does the exact same things (and today, worse) that he critisizes others for.

It's getting more and more difficult to not hate DC. I try to find something good about all the drivers, but DC just continues with this childish bs. I DO NOT TRUST HIM and if I were the other drivers on the track, I'd be scared racing around him.

You echo my sentiments exactly. Originally I was a fan of DC. Since then I've always tried to look for the good parts of DC, but he always disappoints me, either on the track with some silly move, or off the track with the crap that comes out of his mouth.

I didn't see the qualifying on TV, but from the descriptions I've read it sounds like typical DC silliness.....

[Linus27]

Chris G



"He intentionally caused MS to smash into the back of him at Spa a few years back"

I am still laughing at this. I am finding it so hard to find words

Do you usually play jokes on yourself in public. This is great. You have just made yourself look a complete IDIOT in public. FANTASTIC. You must have a right laugh with yourself. I bet you walk down the street with a big banner saying, "I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT F1. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND IT AS I DO NOT NEED TO UNDERSTAND. I AM BIASED"

I bet you even blame DC for Schuey breaking his leg last year How sad.

[tom]

and dc better not f*** with schuey or villeneuve into turn one either...i want a good clean race....and i bet dc will be the guy to spoil it.

this is interersting.

gap from hakkinen to dc is 9 tenths.

gap from schuey to rubens is 9 tenths.

wonder who the legends are.??

[silver fan]

Well it's nice to see that everyone with the noticable exception of a couple of "hard-cases" finally see "Cubehead" in the light that I've always seen him in...that is as a complete wanker that has no place in a team like McLaren that prides itself in its proffesionalism.

[Chris G.]

Linus: I knew that would draw a comment or two. Chill.

I admit, no one knows for sure what was going on in DC's head that day. But, I've always felt he approached the Spa blue-flag-pass situation differently because it was MS. Had it been Mika (or anyone else) who needed to pass, I just don't think that would have happened like it did. But, who knows. But, I have an opinion and I guess I just don't find it quite as funny as do you.

As far as MS's leg, I kinda saw that as MS pissed (because "How dare EI pass me at the start.") and quickly trying to pass EI back - too soon I might add - culminating in a brake failure. I suppose that's hilarious too?

[Linus27]

Ok chilled now.

Well if Schuey was not in a Ferrari I would not find it funny but as he was in a Ferrari then yes, it was funny.
Another year down and another title lost

[gerry nassar]

Hooster, i posted a thread regarding that F1 Racing article about a month ago (check it out - do a search). DC talks more crap in that article.

I agree with most of you, I try to like DC but it becomes more difficult with each race. Always making excuses and making stupid mistakes and doing things like he did to Frentzen in qualifying. No way is he in Shuey or Mikas league. Im not totally biased though, his win in France was fantastic though.

As for Frentzen, he isnt doing aswell as last year but just think - he finished 5 races out of 12 this year, retiring from each other race from mechanical failure (bar Monaco - his mistake). When he retired he has always been in the points. So watch him fly next year with the Works Hondas.

[Mosquito]

Lately, there has been much debate on driver behavior during starts (Schumacher / Coulthard) and related safety issues. Especially Coulthard has been commenting a lot on how Schumacher will be sooner or later killing someone with his tactics.

In the lights of this, it surprises me that really NOONE has commented on the real obnoxious behavior by Frentzen and Coulthard during qualifying. First of all, Frentzen is not paying attention or watching his mirrors, and hindering Coulthard at the bus stop chicane. Frentzen of all people! Does anyone still remember his rantings on how all kind of people were in his way during his qualifying runs in past races? Remember the little shoot out at the ok Coral with Verstappen? Anyway, after this little incident, we saw the deliberate blocking of Coulthard on Frentzen while Heinz was on HIS fast lap and approaching the bus stop chicane. Frentzen would have been a flyer if he had not just missed Coulthard on that corner. Only to really get starting childish and make sure he ruins Coulthard run in la Source while he is already on his outlap.

Shouldn't there be some tough talks with these 2 hot heads? Sticking up a middle finger or wanker moves is just displaying bad sportmanship. Deliberately hindering and endangering your collega drivers is something very serious, and I think both Frentzen and Coulthard are guilty as charged.

Might it also be because of driver frustration on their respective positions which contributed to this dangerous and childish behavior?

[Mo-Bee]

Chris G.

Are we still goig on about poor old Bloody Scheuy, his driving has been absaloutly disgusting this season and every season, his I MUST WIN A ALL COST attitude is gonna end up with a life on his hands, and then he will probably blame someone else.

you quote DC violates rules, shuey is the master of violating rules but because he is the "best driver in the world" , and may i say bollocks to that, everyone in the F1 turns a blind eye!!!!!!!!!!

There are too many people here who thinks the sun shines out of shueys arse but i don't know how it could cause he's got his head so far up his no light would be seen for years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!