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[brickyard]

Hi,

In the 1965 Belgium GP, Lucien Bianchi drove the #27 Scuderia Centro Sud's BRM P57.

Anyone has a color photo? (I supose the car wasn't entirely red... )

thanks

[Barry Boor]

I think you would find that it looked very much like this....



....only bigger!

[Vicuna]

Originally posted by Barry Boor
I think you would find that it looked very much like this....



....only bigger!

[brickyard]

thanks Barry, nice model. Is it a modified Brumm model?

I know the car (chassis 5781 if I'm not wrong) but it's not from Bianchi neither from that race (#3 instead of #27).

I've discovered this in the meantime. That's the version I'm talking about.

[Wolf]

In action (but not on Spa, apparently) :

[Barry Boor]

Yes, Luis, I love taking Brumm F.1 cars to pieces and repainting them in different liveries.

[GIGLEUX]

From the b&w picture I have, the car of Bianchi had two stripes at the front of the nose.

[Rob Ryder]

Originally posted by GIGLEUX
From the b&w picture I have, the car of Bianchi had two stripes at the front of the nose.

[Barry Boor]

Yellow for Belgium ???

[Wolf]

Looks tad to dark for yellow, IMHO- ould be orange? But a stab in the dark- green for Britain/B.R.M.?

[Barry Boor]

Can't see that, Wolf. Dark green would certainly look darker than red in a b&w photo, surely?

[Doug Nye]

I cannot lay my hands on colour reference either to Bianchi's or Solana's Centro Sud team BRMs, but I assumed that Bianchi's nose bands at Spa would have been yellow, and then unearthed this forgotten colour transparency of Maggs's car at Silverstone in '65.

From the tone rendition of the Bianchi Spa car's nose stripes in black-and-white photography I doubt they were really yellow, and this duckweed green seems more likely.



Perhaps crucially, note that the stripes themselves seem to be applied in exactly the same relative positions as on the B&W nose shot posted above. I believe these are the self-same stripes/tape/paint bands, whatever it might have been.

Centro Sud BRM P578 nosebands colour reference - from The GP Library photo archive (not to be reproduced without acknowledgment, nor for gain)

DCN

[Barry Boor]

Maggs' car but surely not Maggs in the seat, Doug.

Or did he change from the yellow helmet between 63 and 65?

So you were right, Wolf; just shows how often I am wrong.

Hang on though - Maggs? Silverstone? 1965? #74?...... colour me puzzled!

[Doug Nye]

Ahaa! I wondered who would be first to spot that. Well done Barry, good show.

Right car, right place - peculiar number, year, driver....Bussinello? Gregory? Baghetti? Young Amon?

DC Mainwaring

[Spaceframe]

The tyres seem a tiny bit too narrow for 1965 - it looks more like 1964 to me

[Roger Clark]

It's interesting that the mystery BRM doesn't have the distinctive wide air intake behind the driver's head. I believe that Baghetti's car in 1964 (5785) was similarly deficient. Could it be him at the 1964 International Trophy, and number 14?

[Rob Ryder]

I'm probably way off track here, but in the 1965 British GP the spare cars were numbered in the 70's. I have...

#70 Graham Hill : BRM P261
#71 John Surtees : Ferrari 158-63
#72 Bruce McLaren & Jochen Rindt : Cooper T77
#73 Richie Ginther : Honda RA272
#74 Masten Gregory : BRM P57 (Centro Sud)
#77 Jim Clark & Mike Spence : Lotus 25

Could this be the 'mystery' BRM?
Rob

[rudi]

Ok, the stripes were green on the Masten Gregory practice car at the British GP.
But how can we be sure they were the same at the Belgian GP?

[Barry Boor]

Not way off track, Rob. I would have thought, spot-on!

I can't see any other reason why an F.1 car in 1965, or 64 for that matter, would have the number 74 on it.

And anyway, if you have documented proof that a Centro Sud car was entered as #74 surely we must accept that as the answer?

I agree with Roger though; the engine cover is strange.

[a_tifoosi]

Spa '65, start:

Lucien's Bianchi BRM




I'm not sure, but I'd say that the stripes were yellow .


Narcís.

[Rob Ryder]

Originally posted by Barry Boor
Not way off track, Rob. I would have thought, spot-on!
I can't see any other reason why an F.1 car in 1965, or 64 for that matter, would have the number 74 on it.
And anyway, if you have documented proof that a Centro Sud car was entered as #74 surely we must accept that as the answer?
I agree with Roger though; the engine cover is strange.

Documented proof ;)

(MotorSport)

Rob

[Spaceframe]

Originally posted by a_tifoosi
Spa '65, start:

Lucien's Bianchi BRM




I'm not sure, but I'd say that the stripes were yellow .


Narcís.

Astonishing - I haven't seen this picture for some 25 years, since Georgano's Encyclopedia of Motor Sport was nicked from my local library!

[brickyard]

Thank you all for your answers and nice pictures.

I've found this two photos from Belgian 1965 (unfortunatelly in black and white) and we can see that Bianchis's car had the stripes, and the other car from Gregory is (I think) playn red.

I'll keep searching for a color one...