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[Emperor Palpatine]

Imola - gets my vote by a country mile - The sooner it's gone the better!

[Ross Stonefeld]

Fuji looks really really bad.

[scheivlak]

Barcelona is even worse.

[fillern]

What (despite the atmosphere and narrowness) is great with Monaco when it comes to racing?

[The Kanisteri]

Monaco

[HONDA FANATIC]

Nurburgring and Hungaroring r big shits too. Imola is ok to watch for qualifying.

[ensign14]

Magny Cours. Exacerbated by France having about a zillion better circuits that had no relationship with Miterrand.

Hungaroring is pretty bad too but occasionally interesting things happen there.

Originally posted by fillern
What (despite the atmosphere and narrowness) is great with Monaco when it comes to racing?

It's different. One mistake = out of the race, rather than a mildly irritating trip over a kerb and 0.2 seconds lost.

[Rob G]

I'd say the Hungaroring, with Fuji poised to out-crap it.

[HBoss]

Imola and Magny-Cours.

[RiDE]

Tilke

[skinnylizard]

Imola and Hungary get my vote. Monaco is always an interesting race with plenty of action. i was bout dozing off today

[molive]

Imola is just shitty, and they managed to make it even worse.

[lustigson]

Todays race showed once more that at Imola it's impossible to overtake. Alonso being seconds per lap faster, but just not being able to find a spot to overtake Schumacher. Really frustrating.

[fifi]

hungary is the worst imo, the race you can miss on tv and wont have missed owt good happening

[Rob G]

Originally posted by lustigson
Todays race showed once more that at Imola it's impossible to overtake. Alonso being seconds per lap faster, but just not being able to find a spot to overtake Schumacher. Really frustrating.

It is frustrating, but to me there's more to the quality of a circuit than places to overtake. I love the section from the Tosa hairpin to the approach of the revised chicane, and Rivazza is a challenge. The place has great atmosphere, and unlike, say, Sepang or Bahrain, you get a real sensation of speed. Tosa would be a great overtaking opportunity if it weren't for the chicane immediately before it.

[Jacquesback]

Imola, Hungaroring and anything Tilke has ever touched!

[HBoss]

What is even more frusrating on Imola's case is that it would be easy to make it an interesting track once again. All they have to do is straighten up Villeneuve chincane or any one of the variantes. That alone would maintain he tracks main characteristics while making the racing better.

I don't see any similar easy solution for Magny-Cours or Barcelona.


Nurbrgring and Hockenheim are just terrible.

[Corners]

Anything that Tilke designs, the circuits that have been around for ages are still on the calender for a reason, if they were worth kicking off they would've been by now, the Tilke circuits haven't yet stood the test of time.

[molive]

Originally posted by HBoss


I don't see any similar easy solution for Magny-Cours or Barcelona.

well, at least those tracks have passing opps.

Im sorry but Im one of those old fashion racing fans who likes to see some passing done in other places than the pits.

[kar]

I would say Shanghai. Not only is it too big, cars still cannot pass each other on it.

The way it is laid out, with all those sweeping bends where dirty air prevents trailing cars getting enuff df.

In short, it's ugly, it's too big, and it's a track that leads to boring racing not to mention life threatening incompetence with it's drain covers.

Imola, well, if nothing else at least it's a beautiful circuit, and the surroundings are stunning.

[Romulus]

Imola by far.

[HONDA FANATIC]

hockenhien is not bad. it has good overtaking points. Turkey is also very good. Tilke designed circuits have at least some sort of overtaking opportunityies. not a fan of them buts till they r better than hungary, imola and nurburgring

[Rene]

Hunboring by a country mile...

[Cplus]

Hungaroring is an interesting one.

The facilities are ****, it's dusty as all hell and as we all know, the track is a no-go passing zone.

Public transport in Budapest is okay, they organise a regular shuttle bus to the track (1/2hr) from the city for free and there is plenty of space - just no shade - you can also see *lots* of the track from almsot anywhere. Like 1/3 track in each of the three gen. admin spots we parked our asses at over the course of the weekend.

Complete contrast to Spa which is in the middle of ****ing no where and a pita to get to and from - and a nightmare to get your tickets from if they are not posted to you (remember that one kiddies). You also can't see more than about 1-2 corners (max) from any spot.

It also has **** facilities. It's not dusty though. cause it is, or has, or will be raining.

BUT - Spa is a great track with plenty of scope for overtaking and action. and we need more circuits like it.

hang on - which one is on this year again?

all those bagging Monaco - pfft! how many great races have we seen there over the years despite it's short comings!!

[santori]

Originally posted by kar
I would say Shanghai. Not only is it too big, cars still cannot pass each other on it.

The way it is laid out, with all those sweeping bends where dirty air prevents trailing cars getting enuff df.

In short, it's ugly, it's too big, and it's a track that leads to boring racing not to mention life threatening incompetence with it's drain covers.

Imola, well, if nothing else at least it's a beautiful circuit, and the surroundings are stunning.

Yup. I find Shanghai such a bleak, depressing place. Imola produces rubbish races at the moment but it has maybe the most beautiful setting of any of the tracks and it has some good corners. The back section (Tosa to Rivazza) is very impressive to watch, though less so now with the very ordinary new chicane.

I quite like Magny Cours (it's produced a fair few decent races). And Hungary too, not that I'd want any more tracks like that. I enjoy watching the cars being wrestled around, up and down the track.

[ivanalesi]

Originally posted by Jacquesback
Imola, Hungaroring and anything Tilke has ever touched!

spot on:)

[ray b]

PLEASE DONOT CALL the gocart track near the classic Nurburgring
the Nurburgring
the real ring is the best ever track
the new track is not the Nurburgring
and should not even be named anything like the classic track

[jj2728]

Originally posted by HONDA FANATIC
hockenhien is not bad. it has good overtaking points.

hockenheim does'nt even deserve the name anymore....anything that tilke has touched is not worth a ****....with the exception of monza there is only one true grand prix circuit left and it's not even on the calender this year....spa

[Omri]

Imola, Magny-Cours, the Hungaroring and anything designed by Tilke, with the exception of Turkey.

[TT6]

I have seen many good races in Hungaroring in recent years (there's passing for example) but Imola seems to be able to produce a snorefest after another.

[KWSN - DSM]

Todays race did nt show that it is impossible to overtake at Imola. It showed that it is very very difficult to overtake at Imola under the current aerodynamic rules, which in an entirely different thing alltogether.

I was entertained by the race today, despite the poor coverage offered, I appreciated the chance to see to of the best drivers in the world, slog it out over the full distance. NO it does not include overtaking "like in the old days", but first of the "old days" really did not give us that much more overtaking, and both Michael Schumacher and Fernando Alonso knew and showed that they needed to race full out, every single lap of the race to win. This they both did to the tune of 1 second faster on theri fastest lap than their respective teammates, Imola gave us a good race, like it did last year. Not a lot of overtaking, but it is not the tracks fault. It is the teams who steadfastly will not allow for a better aeroregulation of the sport.

The worst track by far is Hungaroring, which is close to unpassable during every single incarnation of F1, since it came on to the calender.

[FucF1]

Originally posted by RiDE
Tilke

Agreed. Why he still gets work is beyond me.

The worst track in F1 at the moment is the new Hockenheim, the worst part is that it used to be a great circuit before Tilke got his malignant hands on it.... :

[Cplus]

Originally posted by KWSN - DSM I was entertained by the race today, despite the poor coverage offered......[/B]

it was shocking huh!!

Did and of the Red Bulls (full strength or sugar free) or Nico get on Camera (on track) at all?

Webber was flagged as driver of the day by a few and we saw him for like 10sec total as well.

[Viceroy]

Imola and Valencia

[williams96]

Hungaroring and Imola are the worst, but I think Imola takes the biscuit because the completely lack of overtaking.

[angst]

Imola the worst track in F1?!!! No way. It's a beautiful track, with plenty of hills, and plenty going on near the trackside. I always find that Imola is one of the best circuits to pick out slides and drifts, especially as the race wears on - and today was no exception. Imola is one of the tracks which re-invigorates my interest in F1, as it did today again. I thoroughly enjoy watching the cars around there, unlike in the big wide open spaces of various homogenous Tilke-dromes.

Shanghai I think is absolutely awful, and I agree with Ross that Fuji looks like it's going to be a horror show - which makes the fact that it's replacing Suzuka all the more galling.

I've said before, and I'll put it forward again, there are a number of modern circuits which would, imo, benefit from being run the 'wrong' way round. Mostly because a lot of modern tracks seem to be designed to offer as much grip as possible, so all the cambers appear to be positive. Barcelona, Nurburgring extra Lite, Malaysia and maybe Bahrain in particular. I agree that the Hungaroring lacks any kind of decent overtaking spot, but there's scope for doing something there too (reverse it, again, as a starting point).

Wonder what Watkins Glen would be like run 'backwards'?

But Imola? Even taking into account the lack of overtaking opportunities, for the spectacle of the cars round the circuit I wouldn't want to lose it.

[Leif Snellman]

Originally posted by KWSN - DSM
Todays race did nt show that it is impossible to overtake at Imola. It showed that it is very very difficult to overtake at Imola under the current aerodynamic rules, which in an entirely different thing alltogether.

Correct. Nelson Piquet jr showed today its quite possible to overtake at Imola in a GP2 race.

Hungaroring will get my vote.

[HBoss]

Originally posted by molive


well, at least those tracks have passing opps.

Im sorry but Im one of those old fashion racing fans who likes to see some passing done in other places than the pits.

Sure, once in a blue mon.

[VresiBerba]

Originally posted by Jacquesback
Imola, Hungaroring and anything Tilke has ever touched!

So that leaves us with what, Nürburgring and Indy, the greatest tracks on planet Earth?

[jimm]

Originally posted by angst
Imola the worst track in F1?!!! No way. It's a beautiful track, with plenty of hills, and plenty going on near the trackside. I always find that Imola is one of the best circuits to pick out slides and drifts, especially as the race wears on - and today was no exception. Imola is one of the tracks which re-invigorates my interest in F1, as it did today again. I thoroughly enjoy watching the cars around there, unlike in the big wide open spaces of various homogenous Tilke-dromes.

Shanghai I think is absolutely awful, and I agree with Ross that Fuji looks like it's going to be a horror show - which makes the fact that it's replacing Suzuka all the more galling.

I've said before, and I'll put it forward again, there are a number of modern circuits which would, imo, benefit from being run the 'wrong' way round. Mostly because a lot of modern tracks seem to be designed to offer as much grip as possible, so all the cambers appear to be positive. Barcelona, Nurburgring extra Lite, Malaysia and maybe Bahrain in particular. I agree that the Hungaroring lacks any kind of decent overtaking spot, but there's scope for doing something there too (reverse it, again, as a starting point).

Wonder what Watkins Glen would be like run 'backwards'?

But Imola? Even taking into account the lack of overtaking opportunities, for the spectacle of the cars round the circuit I wouldn't want to lose it.

It may get better next year when the last chicaine is gone and there is a straight shot to the first turn. If they took out the second of the tamberallo turns, that would provide a second overtaking spot going into Tosa....Actually it may provide 2 opportunities as people often went in to hot there and you could make a run up the inside going up the hill.

[connerz]

I would put Hackedinhalf as my least favorite. Imola and Hungaroring tied as next. Then probably Shanghai.

[Spunout]

I would say ruining the only interesting corner of the track puts Imola #1 of my list.

[F1Fanatic.co.uk]

I seriously disliked Imola after the changes for '95 and would rank it as my least favourite. Hopefully the last corner revision for next year will improve it and pull it up above the likes of the Hungaroring and new Nurburgring.

I'm not keen on Shanghai at all - for the amount of money spent on it it strikes me as soulless, unmaginative and unchallenging.

And the future looks bleak too. Fuji and Valencia? No thanks. Try Elkhart Lake and for pity's sake be damn sure Spa comes back.

[jimm]

Originally posted by F1Fanatic.co.uk
I seriously disliked Imola after the changes for '95 and would rank it as my least favourite. Hopefully the last corner revision for next year will improve it and pull it up above the likes of the Hungaroring and new Nurburgring.

I'm not keen on Shanghai at all - for the amount of money spent on it it strikes me as soulless, unmaginative and unchallenging.

And the future looks bleak too. Fuji and Valencia? No thanks. Try Elkhart Lake and for pity's sake be damn sure Spa comes back.

Elkhart would be great as an F1 venue, as would Road Atlanta....Doubt it will ever happen because of Safety concerns. Portions of Elkhart Lake cannot be fixed because of railroads and other things outside the track. Road Atlanta could be though...

[connerz]

Definitely Atlanta. Laguna Seca would be nice if they could lengthen and widen it, but as it is now... not a chance.

[Witt]

Imola's a good track but will always be percieved as crap for two reasons. One that it's a shadow of it's former self, and two because it's crap for racing (a subsequent effect of the first reason). I'd love to see the arse end of this track, but there's about 5 other tracks i'd love to see go before Imola.

Newboring, Hungaboring, Tilkedrome 1, 2, 3, 4, & 5., etc.

F1 tracks are so boring these days that Monaco is now considered a great track. If only for the reason because it offers something different to the norm.

[Wilko]

They should fix the back end of the cars so they don't dirty up the air and drivers can get in and draft then pass ... then take a look at what tracks to get rid of

[Bernd]

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
Fuji looks really really bad.

As bad as it looks, it is actually worse.

I reckon other than Spa & Suzuka they are all ****.

[Furore]

I have to say Malaysia and Indianapolis. Both ininspiring circuits.

[just me again]

Hungaroring if watching from home. Monza if i actualy was at the race.

Imola is a great place to watch F1 "live"

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