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[fillern]

http://money.cnn.com...s2_wrightspeed/

Think about sitting on grandstand and hearing the cars passing, eh, sorry. I mean you see the cars passing by, but you don't hear them.

But that makes listening to the teamradio a breeze.

Maybe this should be in RC or PC, but I couldn't figure it out so it's either here or there.

[DaleCooper]

Originally posted by fillern
http://money.cnn.com...s2_wrightspeed/

Think about sitting on grandstand and hearing the cars passing, eh, sorry. I mean you see the cars passing by, but you don't hear them.

But that makes listening to the teamradio a breeze.

Maybe this should be in RC or PC, but I couldn't figure it out so it's either here or there.

Very interesting!! Thanx
Now all we need is for oil prices to keep going up!
Hey they could attach a speaker generating fake motor sounds for those nostalgic fans ;)


Cooper

[No brain no pain]

Hi

Toyota is bt no means satisfied with the proposed engine-freeze in F1.

They have looked into the hybrid way of propelling their F1's.

[Cplus]

trust me - electric motors would still produce a shedload of noise.

it would just be a **** noise

[Terry Walker]

Just the other day I had the opportunity to see (and not hear!) and 1912 Detroit Electric in action. No noise, no transmission whine. Eerie. Mind you, it's no rocket, but if century old technology can produce a silent electric car, so can today's.



Comic book fans will recognise this as Grandma Duck's favoured ride.

[Ali_G]

Hydrogen fuel cells cars are fully quiet too.

Anyways, can't see Battery fuel cars ever being in F1.

Its all going to be Hydrogen. Either a fuel cell with an electric motor or more hopefully, a hydrogen burning ICE.

Refueling will be quite difficult though.

[Jhope]

So how long before he vanishes?;)

[canon1753]

Originally posted by DaleCooper


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Hey they could attach a speaker generating fake motor sounds for those nostalgic fans ;)


Cooper

I was thinking the same thing! I actually am researching EV's. Unfortunately, only F1 has the budget to get super high power lithium-ion batteries.

There is a car called a Tzero that is quicker than most supercars with a 220-320 mile range. It costs about 200k, though....

I'd think F1 could be proactive and run a sunday morning ev race. Heck, there is an open wheel spec electric formula car called a formula lightning. I don't think they run circuit endurance races anymore. But who knows?

[angst]

Well how about F1 changed it's engine formula. Allow a maximum energy allowance, and increase that allowance the lower the emmissions. The 'green' allowance could be increased year on year to promote development of greener engines. Allow energy storage devices, perhaps in combination with 'boost buttons' and it adds another dimension to the racing. It could even open up the budgets a little, ease the pressure on competing teams and manufacturers, because as a recognised forum for the development of green energy there would probably be tax relief - and it might open up extra avenues for company budgets, which all helps when writing stuff off against tax. It would improve the image of F1 worldwide, and would make it more difficult for the environemntal brigade to pressure F1, and motor racing generally.

[logic]

It would be wonderfull to get that terrible engine sound out and hear the air in speed of 300km/h

[grg]

neuclear possibly, but not electric

[carbonfibre]

Im sorry but what is the point?

I want to hear the engine scream and smell the fuel and tyres etc. It's no fun if you see a car driving by at 300+ km/h without any sound.

[logic]

Originally posted by grg
neuclear possibly, but not electric

What kind of motor?

[logic]

Originally posted by carbonfibre
Im sorry but what is the point?

I want to hear the engine scream and smell the fuel and tyres etc. It's no fun if you see a car driving by at 300+ km/h without any sound.

That's because you have been taught so. You must unlearn what you have learnt.

[carbonfibre]

Originally posted by logic

That's because you have been taught so. You must unlearn what you have learnt.

Maybe yes im sure this will be the future but it just takes part of the fun away really.

[MAJP]

Ethanol, just like they are trying in IRL or BTCC Vauxall of Fiona Leggate.

Hidrogen must be produced from Oil.

Ethanol can be produced from corn, grapes etc...

[Andy Donovan]

Originally posted by MAJP
Ethanol, just like they are trying in IRL or BTCC Vauxall of Fiona Leggate.

Hidrogen must be produced from Oil.

Ethanol can be produced from corn, grapes etc...

What!? Most hydrogen is indeed formed by reforming natural gas, but it is by no means the only method (just the cheapest at the moment).

Ethanol can be made from plants, yes, but due to the emission of CO2 when you burn it it actually still comes out as producing carbon overall. Ethanol is only used because it's a liquid fuel that can easily use petrol distribution infrastructure.

[ehagar]

Originally posted by Ali_G
Hydrogen fuel cells cars are fully quiet too.

Anyways, can't see Battery fuel cars ever being in F1.

Its all going to be Hydrogen. Either a fuel cell with an electric motor or more hopefully, a hydrogen burning ICE.

Refueling will be quite difficult though.

You could potentially use a hydrogen rich fuel that would be easier to store and a catalytic convertor to strip the hydrogen.

[Ali_G]

Originally posted by Andy Donovan
Ethanol can be made from plants, yes, but due to the emission of CO2 when you burn it it actually still comes out as producing carbon overall. Ethanol is only used because it's a liquid fuel that can easily use petrol distribution infrastructure.

Yes, but growing the plants takes in the same amount of Carbon from the air therefore its carbon neutral.

[bl-f1]

Great thread and very interesting link.
Yes, I think the future car will not be burning petrol, and that will not finish in any way with the fun of motor racing.

[Andy Donovan]

Originally posted by Ali_G


Yes, but growing the plants takes in the same amount of Carbon from the air therefore its carbon neutral.

OK, it doesn't produce much carbon - the growing the plants cancels out most of what's produced, but once you mess around with all the refining processes and such it does still produce some over the entire process.
It's a picky point I know for me to differentiate so strongly between zero and a little, but I just don't like the term 'carbon neutral', and the sort of marketing people who don't have a clue what it actually means and think by planting a few trees they can offset anything they do. (PS this isn't to say you're one of these people, this is a more general annoyance of mine)

To add to the thread more generally I think all motorsport will have to go electric at some point in the future, and when that point comes F1 should be leading the way. I certainly think it would help with electric cars' current image problem if we saw some being raced at high speed.