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[thomaskomm]

Hello!
I have a question about HP and the development up 1996; in 2005 most of the F1 engines have a max rpm 19 000 (?) with 900 hp, which is the average yearly development by this engines? How much power generate the average F1 1996 and how many rpm´s (3 ltr. engine)? How much power generate the Ford V8 HB 3,5 ltr. engine and the Renault engine 1994? Thank you very much for answers!

Thomas

[rhm]

Ian Bamsey (editor of RaceTech magazine among others) published the what is probably the definitive book on the V10 era last year. I don't have a copy oweing to it's cover price of 60ukp. From the bumf :-

...this book reveals the secrets that have enabled since 1989 V10 engine speed to increase from 13,000 to 19,000 rpm. At the same time horsepower has increased from 650 bhp to more than 900 bhp in spite of the reduction in capacity from 3.5 to 3.0-litres made from 1995.

http://shop.racetech...ucts.asp?pid=26

[thomaskomm]

Originally posted by rhm
Ian Bamsey (editor of RaceTech magazine among others) published the what is probably the definitive book on the V10 era last year. I don't have a copy oweing to it's cover price of 60ukp. From the bumf :-

http://shop.racetech...ucts.asp?pid=26

Thank you for the info Ian, but this book is for my unfortunately to expensive, i assume that here in this fantastic board experts can help me by my research...

Thomas

[rhm]

Idiot,

First of all, I am not Ian. If I was I would know what was in that book and could just give you the information. Do you really think the authors of books hang around on BBSs waiting for people to ask questions just so they can plug their book? Sheesh.

Secondly, it really annoys me when people pop up on a BBS and ask a question and then ignore any attempts to help them as they expect to be spoon-fed the answers without doing any work for themselves. No, I don't expect that you'll want to spend 60 pounds on that book, but I thought you might be interested to know that it exists. Did it ever occur to you that you might be able to obtain a copy from a library? Oh no, because that would require effort. I was going to look through my back issues of Race Engine Technology to see if there was an excerpt from the book I could type in, but not now. How about even hitting the search function on this BBS that you think is so fantastic. You might find that engine power figures have already been posted from another source.

[zac510]

I am thankful for your post rhm - I just noticed they have the F1-2000 book by Wright with a free Bentley at LeMans book. I've been looking for a good excuse to buy the Ferrari book!

[Halfwitt]

Originally posted by rhm
Idiot,

First of all, I am not Ian. If I was I would know what was in that book and could just give you the information. Do you really think the authors of books hang around on BBSs waiting for people to ask questions just so they can plug their book? Sheesh.

Secondly, it really annoys me when people pop up on a BBS and ask a question and then ignore any attempts to help them as they expect to be spoon-fed the answers without doing any work for themselves. No, I don't expect that you'll want to spend 60 pounds on that book, but I thought you might be interested to know that it exists. Did it ever occur to you that you might be able to obtain a copy from a library? Oh no, because that would require effort. I was going to look through my back issues of Race Engine Technology to see if there was an excerpt from the book I could type in, but not now. How about even hitting the search function on this BBS that you think is so fantastic. You might find that engine power figures have already been posted from another source.

Somebody hasn't had sex for a while......

[thomaskomm]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by rhm
[B]
No i don´t give you an answer, not in this respectless way..
sorry if i any kind person here but in this way this wasn´t my intention!!
THomas :

[DOHCPower]

I have the Ian Bamsey book, and its great.

Remember, as long as you can keep TQ from declining faster than RPM is rising, your HP will increase. Basically the biggest development was switching to a pneumatically controlled valve train. That and DLC it seems were the two biggest themes covered in the book. A great buy.

[jgredline]

Here is a cool site with some vintage engines
http://www.gurneyflap.com/

[Monstrobolaxa]

94 Benetton engine: Zetec-R - 14300rpm 755hp

96 - engine average: 690 hp - 16000 rpm

I have the list of almost all engine from 1950 to 2004....with rpm, hp, weight, size, bank angle. bore, stroke....etc! Taken from: "Dall'aerodinamica alla potenza in Formula 1" - Enrico Benzing

[thomaskomm]

Hi Monstrabolaxa!! thank you for your answer! Yes Enrico Benzing has all the researchment for his book. I will the book in the near future purchasing,...it´s amazing, example the nextell cup cars have more power as the currents F1 cars. They have over 770+ HP on the rear wheels (of course the best engines: flywheel approx. 890 Horsepower by 10.200 rpm)

Ciao
Thomas

[jluetjen]

Here's some data that I've collected over the years.

[jluetjen]

Originally posted by thomaskomm
...it´s amazing, example the nextell cup cars have more power as the currents F1 cars. They have over 770+ HP on the rear wheels (of course the best engines: flywheel approx. 890 Horsepower by 10.200 rpm)

Actually, it's pretty straight forward. A 3.5 liter engine can make (in general) as much HP as a 7 liter engine if it spins twice as fast. This is how 3.5 liter F1 engines and NASCAR engines wound up making about the same HP. It's all about how much mixture can be burned in a given period of time.