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Fernando Alonso has finally uncorked his mouth to reveal his true feelings about Michael Schumacher's Rascasse-moment.

The Spaniard, after having his pole-potential flying lap thwarted by Schumacher's parked Ferrari at Monaco, was reportedly told by his Renault team to zip his lip.

''Say nothing,'' a Renault press coordinator was heard to tell the 24-year-old after qualifying on Saturday, ''and we'll sort it out behind the scenes.''

Even after the race, which was won by Alonso given Schumacher's qualifying exclusion, the reigning World Champion kept his vow of silence.

''I don't want to say anything,'' he said on Sunday.

With a new day dawned, however, Alonso commented to Germany's Bild newspaper: ''I think Michael's penalty should have been even harder.

''I do not understand his behaviour. It was even discussed in the driver meeting on Thursday that we should be fair to each other.
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Through it all, though, Schumacher has been able to count on the stalwart support of one notable figure - Toro Rosso co-owner Gerhard Berger.

''Michael showed us his class again,'' the Austrian, Schumacher's wheel-to-wheel rival until he retired in 1997, said at Monaco on Sunday.

''(Felipe) Massa didn't do a bad job from the back of the grid, but Michael was simply sensational.

''He is going to find it tough to catch up to Alonso, but you never know. The championship is long.''



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Possible fall out between the two champions?

[xype]

Originally posted by well
Possible fall out between the two champions?

Mud wrestling ahoy!

[carbonfibre]

Pff do you think Michael will sleep worse because what of what Alonso says?

Good too see Berger still sees the thing that is most important.

[kar]

Hope so. It's all too civilised between the drivers. Racing is always much more interesting the more tribal it gets.

All the corporate sponsorship, all the billions of dollars being invested in the sport has taken away the more human element. Maybe a little darkening of the relationship between the best, and third best drivers would make for more entertaining race weekends. Certainly couldn't be more dull than a race weekend like Barcelona no matter how much schadenfreude people in the paddock want to indulge in with respect to MS.

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Originally posted by carbonfibre
Pff do you think Michael will sleep worse because what of what Alonso says?

Good too see Berger still sees the thing that is most important.

Alonso really talked his mind methinks, which is probably helpful for making the battle between them more interesting.

Berger.

[PhilKerr]

What a laughing stock Alonso is with those comments

Does he think he should have been harshly punished for ignoring yellow's at Brazil or putting DC into a wall at Magny Cours by deliberately brake testing ?

He has no right to comment on Schumacher driving in an unsporting way

[carbonfibre]

Mind games with Schumacher? Hmm he might watch himself..

I wonder what he will do when it comes down to the last race and they are side by side.,.. Wonder if he still has balls then.;)

[steelydan2006]

Hopefully after Alonso's comments, Schumacher will tell us all what he REALLY thinks about Alonso and not that pr BS that he's said before....

[Spunout]

Well, thus far ALL Schumacher´s fellow drivers and ex-F1 drivers have either condemned his actions or refused to comment. I think everybody who saw the post-qualifying press conference could figure out what Fernando´s real thoughts were.

[PhilKerr]

Originally posted by Spunout
Well, thus far ALL Schumacher´s fellow drivers and ex-F1 drivers have either condemned his actions or refused to comment. I think everybody who saw the post-qualifying press conference could figure out what Fernando´s real thoughts were.

Alonso is best keeping his thought to himself given he has a record of dangerous driving in F1, how is he meant to be taken seriously when he makes comments like this when he has committed some extraordinarily dangerous actions on the race track

Bradley Lord really should have told him to remain tight lipped as now he has been exposed as a hypocrite

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Originally posted by carbonfibre
Mind games with Schumacher? Hmm he might watch himself..

I wonder what he will do when it comes down to the last race and they are side by side.,.. Wonder if he still has balls then.;)

I'd think who leads the championship into the showdown will have an advantage in such an extreme situation, won't surprise me if they clash, both highly aggressive drivers.

[tifosi4life]

Alonso should not be throwing stones with all of his yellow flag antics. Such a short memory finger boy must have.

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Originally posted by steelydan2006
Hopefully after Alonso's comments, Schumacher will tell us all what he REALLY thinks about Alonso and not that pr BS that he's said before....

I slightly feel that the only driver Schumacher has looked up to is Senna, and the only rival he's paid high respect to is Mika. The remaining bunch of drivers he's raced with he just doesn't take them too serious. Remember Hill once said he never felt being respected by Schu.

[Teez]

That is what goes for "slamming" nowadays? Saying that he thought Michael deserved more of a penalty? More 'news' cut wholly out of cloth from the media. Nothing to see here, folks.

[Spunout]

Does he think he should have been harshly punished for ignoring yellow's at Brazil or putting DC into a wall at Magny Cours by deliberately brake testing ?

Would Brazil 03 be the same race where Schumacher spun out under double yellows, nearly hitting a track marshall in the process? Yes, Alonso should have been punished.

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Originally posted by Teez
That is what goes for "slamming" nowadays? Saying that he thought Michael deserved more of a penalty? More 'news' cut wholly out of cloth from the media. Nothing to see here, folks.

''I think Michael's penalty should have been even harder. I do not understand his behaviour. It was even discussed in the driver meeting on Thursday that we should be fair to each other. "


Translation:"WTF?!Ban him!!Cheat!"

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Originally posted by Spunout


Would Brazil 03 be the same race where Schumacher spun out under double yellows, nearly hitting a track marshall in the process? Yes, Alonso should have been punished.

He could spin under Safety Car, I don't see what's wrong spinning under yellow flag tbo.

[Spunout]

He could spin under Safety Car, I don't see what's wrong spinning under yellow flag tbo.

Good point

[giddyup409]

Originally posted by well

Translation:"WTF?!Ban him!!Cheat!"

yeah, that translation can come from someone who's smoking some serious weed

[Johny Bravo]

Originally posted by well
http://f1.racing-liv...529145745.shtml

''I think Michael's penalty should have been even harder."

And I think this little hipocryt **** should be stripped from his super licence as he seemingly considers himself to be above the rules concerning yellow flags.

[giddyup409]

mighty ms was caught, fred was not.
mighty ms has dirt in his f1 record. fred so far, clean record.
who's hypocrite?

[Hiatt]

I am sure that had been Kimi in that article instead of Alonso people would have screamed "what right do someone that pushes marshals around have to comment on this issue".

[steelydan2006]

Originally posted by well



I slightly feel that the only driver Schumacher has looked up to is Senna, and the only rival he's paid high respect to is Mika. The remaining bunch of drivers he's raced with he just doesn't take them too serious. Remember Hill once said he never felt being respected by Schu.

Agree.. Remember what Ralf said last year about Alonso winning the WDC? That is was just because he got very lucky(Pizzonia said the same thing, btw)... Wouldn't be surprised if his brother(MS) also thinks like this and they have talked about this sometime...

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Originally posted by steelydan2006
Agree.. Remember what Ralf said last year about Alonso winning the WDC? That is was just because he got very lucky(Pizzonia said the same thing, btw)... Wouldn't be surprised if his brother(MS) also thinks like this and they have talked about this sometime...

Nice one dan. And Alonso was chuffed thinking he beat Schu last year.

[PhilKerr]

Originally posted by Hiatt
I am sure that had been Kimi in that article instead of Alonso people would have screamed "what right do someone that pushes marshals around have to comment on this issue".

Its not unreasonable when someone like a driver makes a comment to put their own record under scrutiny hence if Alonso criticises someone's ontrack actions then his own should be put under scrutiny

[F1 Tor.]

Originally posted by well



I slightly feel that the only driver Schumacher has looked up to is Senna, and the only rival he's paid high respect to is Mika. The remaining bunch of drivers he's raced with he just doesn't take them too serious. Remember Hill once said he never felt being respected by Schu.

I would agree with that. Even when it came to Fernando, Michael's stated that he will wait before considering FA as an F1 great. IMO, I think he values Kimi higher than Fernando, but this is just a guess on my part. As for Michael's actions and the responses he's getting, I think some people have gone too far. I mean I disagreed with what he did, but for some to state he should retire is...well, I'll pull a Fernando and keep my lips shut. IMO, Michael's achievements far outweigh his asterisks. When people say Schumacher I won't think of 94, but rather Spain 96 in the rain, where JV couldn't believe that a car was going that fast past him. This is just one example. For every negative, I can find about 10 positives.

[msam]

I understand the fact that Shumacher needed to be punished for his actions. But, I think he was punished fairly considering the sporting regulations below (someone else had posted this) :

116) a) Any driver whose car stops on the circuit during the qualifying session will not be permitted to take any further part in the session. Any car which stops on the circuit during the qualifying session, and which is returned to the pits before the end of the session, will be held in parc ferme until the end of the session.

b) If, in the opinion of the stewards, a driver deliberately stops on the circuit or impedes another driver in any way during the qualifying practice session his times will be cancelled.

It is just everyones opinion, but the fact of the matter is that the penalty he incurred was very fair.

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Originally posted by F1 Tor.


I would agree with that. Even when it came to Fernando, Michael's stated that he will wait before considering FA as an F1 great. IMO, I think he values Kimi higher than Fernando, but this is just a guess on my part. As for Michael's actions and the responses he's getting, I think some people have gone too far. I mean I disagreed with what he did, but for some to state he should retire is...well, I'll pull a Fernando and keep my lips shut. IMO, Michael's achievements far outweigh his asterisks. When people say Schumacher I won't think of 94, but rather Spain 96 in the rain, where JV couldn't believe that a car was going that fast past him. This is just one example. For every negative, I can find about 10 positives.

Hey mate, same feeling here about the part that MS may rate KR higher than FA. I think Kimi's sometimes relentless pace resembles Mika, but the thing with FA is he's improving, and he's matured very quickly along the years. So if that's what Michael thinks I'm really glad I share the same opinion with him.

LOL Spain 96 MS made everyone else look like a fool.

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Originally posted by msam
I understand the fact that Shumacher needed to be punished for his actions. But, I think he was punished fairly considering the sporting regulations below (someone else had posted this) :



It is just everyones opinion, but the fact of the matter is that the penalty he incurred was very fair.

Thus the title "SLAM".

[balaclava]

Michael, Ralf or Pizzonia can keep showing no respect to FA. Meanwhile FA will keep WINNING.

And who is Ralf by the way? A guy who has trouble getting into the second stage of qualy with the Toyota? AND WHO IS PIZZONIA???

FA is not only damn good on track, he has the star (ie: luck on his side) of the champions. Though luck for the rest.

[checkonetwo]

i think a difference should be made between driving too fast under yellows and risking the lifes of others in the process, and cold calculating unsportingness ( is that the word ? ) in the mould of schu´s action on saturday.

too much gas under yellows is something the cheater has repeatedly done before as well, and while it is stupid and dangerous, it is much more understandable considering the driver is in a rhythm, probably knife between his teeths, counting tenth down to the frontrunner.

purposely stalling the car on the penultimate lap of a qualifying to hinder the others from bettering their time, comes from a totally different mindset and is, while probably not as dangerous as the former, totally against all ethics of the sport ( if such a thing is still rumoured to exist ).

the first is wrong, the second is fundamentally wrong.

my 2 cents.

[HoldenRT]

That's not Alonso slamming Schumacher.

Alonso slamming Schumacher would of been saying "Obviously he knew using conventional methods that he would have had a tough struggle to beat me, so instead he tried to resort to "schummel" tactics and thankfully got caught. I feel much more confident about the world championship after seeing what he did this weekend"

or something to that effect. That would be true mindgames. But still.. credit to Alonso for at least saying something about it. It's not right that everyone else in the paddock has had their say and the driver most affected didn't.

Game on next race. The circus will continue. I am a fan of nor Renault or Ferrari but watching them both go head to head is exciting. Obviously it's easier to respect Alonso so far in his career, but you also have to respect Schumacher for the success he has acheived.

On another note.. weird how bpl has dissappeared of the forum of late. He defended Fisi during Australia, then the whole thing about pitting early at Imola. And ever since has dissappeared. I guess since then there have been too many things(contreversies) to "justify" with PR reasonings. And it's too hard for Renault PR to come here and say "we were wrong" and gain some credability. :

[ana]

Err... does it seem weird only to me that only time Alonso opened his mouth about the incident was to the German notorious tabloid Bild? :

And that is not slamming btw.

[chak]

Originally posted by tifosi4life
Alonso should not be throwing stones with all of his yellow flag antics. Such a short memory finger boy must have.

which ones besides brazil 2003?

Curious.

Anyways, about Michael respecting his foes, I don't think he does that until they retire, or in this case, he does. Would love to read his post-retirement biography someday. It's pretty much a chronicle of F1 in my generation. Hope he has a Top Ten list of driver who were "almost as good as i am."

[vanfriends]

This is ridiculous. Fernando has every right to criticize Michael if he feels so and vice versa, no matter what they have done in the past. I'm getting sick of this arse-kissing mentality of today, everyone has to please everyone, everybody needs to be completely in line the way the trucks are at Bernie's dear Paddock playground. Inch by inch.

Let them race, let them criticize, let them fight. Let them be human. For as long as it is racing or about racing, it's only for good.

Not that Michael even would give a damn about what Fernando thinks, or says in the press. I don't really understand the hussle over such a small thing.

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Originally posted by vanfriends
This is ridiculous. Fernando has every right to criticize Michael if he feels so and vice versa, no matter what they have done in the past. I'm getting sick of this arse-kissing mentality of today, everyone has to please everyone, everybody needs to be completely in line the way the trucks are at Bernie's dear Paddock playground. Inch by inch.

Let them race, let them criticize, let them fight. Let them be human. For as long as it is racing or about racing, it's only for good.

Not that Michael even would give a damn about what Fernando thinks, or says in the press. I don't really understand the hussle over such a small thing.

Your post contradicts with itself mate.


Edit: Although I fully agree with your first point.

[Mauseri]

Alonso makes no controversial things on track or paddock. I don't see him as hypocrite. But Schumacher, and his cover story for that qualifying thing pfffffff

Typical cheater who talk much and act like he made nothing, claiming others just see wrong

[naiboz]

Originally posted by carbonfibre
Mind games with Schumacher? Hmm he might watch himself..

I wonder what he will do when it comes down to the last race and they are side by side.,.. Wonder if he still has balls then.;)

Yeah, that Alonso kid has no balls




Alonso Takes Schumi

[schumieins]

deja vu?


-----planetf1.com monaco 2005--------


Yet again Michael Schumacher looked like he tried to get a race stopped after he had a catastrophic failure on his car. He did the same thing in Austria a few years ago ( edit: austria 2000) when Schumi was punted off into Turn 1 on the opening lap. He then drove his car onto the racing line and stopped it. Just parked it and switched off. He wanted a red flag and a re-start. All he got was the Safety Car and a spectator’s view for the rest of the race

The comment at the time from those paid to note such things was “nice try Michael but it’s not going to work.”

Today he tried to do the same thing. The minute he knew he’d lost his front wing against David Coulthard’s rear wing he reckoned his race was over. So he stopped his car.

If the track had been flat fair enough, but he was pointing downhill, he must have had to brake to keep the car where it was.

Overhead TV replays (part of the news coverage not part of the race transmission) showed that he had momentum after the impact and could have kept going, but instead came to a halt.

It was suspicious enough looking at it during the race but his Ferrari press release afterwards made it worse.

"Everything that could go wrong seemed to go wrong at the beginning. I got stuck behind the Minardi that blocked the track and then I had to pit to change the nose on the car."

The Minardi didn’t block the track and his car was clearly not stuck behind it

If Montoya was deemed to have caused an unnecessary accident then this was just as bad. What the FIA need to do is look at the telemetry of the F2005 and see what he was doing during that time, because he has a lot of questions to answer.

--------

austria 2000
monaco 2005/2006

[carbonfibre]

Originally posted by naiboz


Yeah, that Alonso kid has no balls




Alonso Takes Schumi

I suppose that video is suzuka 2005. Im talking about a showdown, last GP of the season and it's you or me going out.

Now what is he going to do. Overtaking Michael wasnt easy and was a good move but don't forget that Michael held Alonso and Kimi back for a huge amount of laps and after Alonso got passed he was 2 sec a lap quicker.

[role]

Originally posted by PhilKerr
What a laughing stock Alonso is with those comments

Does he think he should have been harshly punished for ignoring yellow's at Brazil or putting DC into a wall at Magny Cours by deliberately brake testing ?

He has no right to comment on Schumacher driving in an unsporting way

You could at least get the track right. It was not Magny-Cours. It was not a brake test as the Stewards recognized after looking carefully at the data and there were no walls on the area in which DC went off.



To be honest I doubt Alonso would keep his mouth shut to all the Spanish media and decide to blast Schumacher in a dubius German paper.

As a matter of fact Alonso has always been quite respectful to Schumy, even when once he was pushed off track at Silverstone by the Ferrari driver.

But hey, do not let reality stay in the way of your nice trolling

[PhilKerr]

Originally posted by role


You could at least get the track right. It was not Magny-Cours. It was not a brake test as the Stewards recognized after looking carefully at the data and there were no walls on the area in which DC went off.



To be honest I doubt Alonso would keep his mouth shut to all the Spanish media and decide to blast Schumacher in a dubius German paper.

As a matter of fact Alonso has always been quite respectful to Schumy, even when once he was pushed off track at Silverstone by the Ferrari driver.

But hey, do not let reality stay in the way of your nice trolling

You really haven't a clue about me have you

I actually LIKE Alonso, my MSN address is fernando_alonso@hotmail.co.uk and fernando_alonso22@hotmail.com and now would I go to those lengths if I hated the guy ? but even if I like him it does not mean I have to lick his butt every time he speaks, if he says something I disagree with I say it same goes for my other 2 fave drivers JV and MS, if I think they are out of order I say so

If you are going to call me a troll please get your facts right

[Freek]

Originally posted by well



I slightly feel that the only driver Schumacher has looked up to is Senna, and the only rival he's paid high respect to is Mika. The remaining bunch of drivers he's raced with he just doesn't take them too serious. Remember Hill once said he never felt being respected by Schu.

Totally agree, Mika and MS had huge respect for each other.

[Tolyngee]

Originally posted by well



I slightly feel that the only driver Schumacher has looked up to is Senna, and the only rival he's paid high respect to is Mika. The remaining bunch of drivers he's raced with he just doesn't take them too serious. Remember Hill once said he never felt being respected by Schu.

Hill didn't deserve much respect. Hill's antics on-track in '95 even led Frank Williams himself to publicly berate Hill...


Hill's maneuver at Silverstone '95 even makes Ide look like a master racer...

[Lazarus II]

Originally posted by PhilKerr


You really haven't a clue about me have you

I actually LIKE Alonso, my MSN address is fernando_alonso@hotmail.co.uk and fernando_alonso22@hotmail.com and now would I go to those lengths if I hated the guy ? but even if I like him it does not mean I have to lick his butt every time he speaks, if he says something I disagree with I say it same goes for my other 2 fave drivers JV and MS, if I think they are out of order I say so

If you are going to call me a troll please get your facts right

Can you say Spam

[Cojayar]

Who of you is so ingenous (or even I would dare to say fool) to believe that the only and first media that Alonso used to say something against MS was "Bild"?

Either you don't know what Bild is or you want to believe it was true?

And some people dare to critizise Alonso for slamming MS without any proof it's true. Really the cheater has lots of fans.

[F1 Tor.]

Originally posted by carbonfibre
Mind games with Schumacher? Hmm he might watch himself..

I wonder what he will do when it comes down to the last race and they are side by side.,.. Wonder if he still has balls then.;)

I like Alonso and I'm pretty sure he'd stand up to Michael. However, anyone who would nearly drive his brother into a wall(France), well...you kind of gotta be extra careful. When I think of Michael, many words come to mind and the top two are genius and ruthless.

[naiboz]

this thread should be closed, its just gonna turn into a fanboy slagging match

[jimm]

Originally posted by F1 Tor.


I like Alonso and I'm pretty sure he'd stand up to Michael. However, anyone who would nearly drive his brother into a wall(France), well...you kind of gotta be extra careful. When I think of Michael, many words come to mind and the top two are genius and ruthless.

Well, he will probably do what JV did....expect to be driven into by MS. Right now MS is only 50/50 on attempts

[Johny Bravo]

Originally posted by checkonetwo
purposely stalling the car on the penultimate lap of a qualifying to hinder the others from bettering their time

Uhm, who did that? Proof, evidence? Being falsely penalised by three idiots who've been majorly influenced by the - ever-envy at Ferrari - paddock is not proof, just to make it clear.