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[wheelock]

Hello everyone this my first post/thread here.
This a great forum very interesting and informative!

I have alway been interested in car and motorcycle racing from all eras .

Professionally I am a Sculptor, and have landed what looks to be an interesting
project, related to motor sports.

For this I initially need to narrow down a small list of iconic race machine/driver
combinations for each decade between 1900 and 1970.[the choice of great machines and
drivers seems endless...]

Thus far I have created an Auto union C type representation.
And it has been suggested I create a Brabham BT19 for the second piece.
I have not found much in the way of photo reference for this on the net
though it does seen very similar to the BT20. [more conveniently placed exhaust
system to model as well]

Another vehicle that caught my eye was the Fiat S76 from 1912.

Anyhow I would appreciate further suggestions anyone might have.

Cheers

Mark

[petefenelon]

1900s - 1906 GP Renault
1910s - 1914 GP Mercedes
1920s - Bugatti T35
1930s - Auto Union C-type
1950s - Maserati 250F
1960s - Lotus 25/33
1970 - Lotus 72.

[wheelock]

Thanks Pete.

Lots yummy machines there to be thinking about.
The Maserati looks lovely.
The older cars are going to great fun to find decent pics of!!
Found a a few of the Renault and mercedes pretty quickly.
Ideally I would love all sorts of detailed pic of the car parts
etc to get a good feel for what makes the machines tick.


Cheers

Mark

[Bonde]

Welcome to the forum, wheelock!

For the 1930s I'd suggest a Mercedes (e.g. W125) rather than an Auto Union, as the Auto Union was quite atypical with it's central engine position, whereas the the Mercedes is more representative of The Norm, yet still a high-tech (for its day) German Silver Arrow, which is quite iconic for the 1930s.

Otherwise I agree with Pete's list.

[scheivlak]

Originally posted by petefenelon
1900s - 1906 GP Renault
1910s - 1914 GP Mercedes
1920s - Bugatti T35
1930s - Auto Union C-type
1950s - Maserati 250F
1960s - Lotus 25/33
1970 - Lotus 72.

As far as cars are concerned, really excellent choices, Pete!

Wheelock asked for car/driver combinations - as such Nuvolari/Alfa Romeo Tipo B comes in mind as well of course for the 30s (or Caracciola/Mercedes W125).

Your drivers are Szisz-Lautenschager-Williams (or Dreyfus?)-Rosemeyer-Fangio-Clark-Rindt BTW?

[Wolf]

For teens, might I suggest 1914 Peugeot , it didn't go too badly on other side of the pond either... And that hump on the back is particulary fetching.

And Maser has to be early model, not those long nosed tipos of latter years.

Mark, here's a site with quite a few drawings that might help You with Your work: http://vsrnonline.co...MC/MC_Plans.htm .

[wheelock]

Thanks everyone.

There are just so many great vehicles from every era!!


I have added the H16 powered BRM to list the list just because that
outrageous engine bulging out the rear would look great.






Mark

[Paul Parker]

Alfa Romeo 158/59 that raced pre-war and the 1940s/50s and was used by the Farina and Fangio to win the first two drivers world championships in 1950/51.

[Rainer Nyberg]

If sports cars are allowed in, I would like to add the 1960s Ford GT40 .

[BRG]

Originally posted by petefenelon
1900s - 1906 GP Renault
1910s - 1914 GP Mercedes
1920s - Bugatti T35
1930s - Auto Union C-type
1950s - Maserati 250F
1960s - Lotus 25/33
1970 - Lotus 72.

Wot, no Ferrari?

I am emphatically not a Ferrari fan but I still have to think they count as 'iconic'. There ought to be room for one in there. The 1961 Sharknose Dino 156 maybe, or the 312 from 1968 or 69?

[ian senior]

Originally posted by Rainer Nyberg
If sports cars are allowed in, I would like to add the 1960s Ford GT40 .

I agree. And for the 70s, the Porsche 917.

[Stephen W]

How about:

1962 BRM P57
1960 Cooper-Climax T53
1935/6 ERA B-Type
1961 Ferguson-Climax P99
1958 Ferrar Dino 246
1960 Lotus-Climax 18
1962 Lotus-Climax 24
1964/5 Lotus-Climax 33
1954/5 Mercedes-Benz W196
1970 Tyrrell-Cosworth 001

and in sports racing cars:

1953 Aston Martin DB3S
1953 Jaguar C-Type
1954 Jaguar D-Type
1955 Mercedes-Benz 300SLR
1958 Aston Martin DBR1/300
1958 Porsche RSK
1960 Maserati Tipo 61
1964 Ferrari 275P
1965 AC Shelby-Cobra
1966 Porsche 906
1966 Ferrari 330P/3
1966 Ford GT40 Mk2
1967 Chaparral 2F
1967 Lola T70
1968 Ford-Cosworth P68
1969 Porsche 908 Spyder
1970 Porsche 917

[BRG]

Yes, a very nice list Steve, but he asked for 'a small list of iconic race machine/driver
combinations for each decade between 1900 and 1970' so you need to winnow that down a lot to allow room for cars from the five previous decades.

[wheelock]

Thanks again for all the suggestions folks.

The sports car suggestions are great, but I am more interested in the open cockpit/wheelers [at this stage]
these enable the driver and the dynamics of the car to be best shown.

The sculptures are not exact scale model type things more a gentle stylization to emphasize the
the movement of the cars and their drivers.

Large selections from each period are quite welcome, after all I am sure all everyone has their favorite era[s].

The range is likely to be expanded anyhow [if things go well].




Cheers


Mark

[wheelock]

Here are a few of pics of the first prototype model.














cheers


Mark

[SEdward]

Mark.

If I may be so bold...

Isn't the driver slightly too big in comparison with the size of the car?

Edward

[wheelock]

Hi Edward
He is meant to be.
The whole vehicle is subtly reworked.
The production pieces will be colour toned.
Think of it as a cartoon , a bit of a toy car look also.


The model has a nice chunky presence in the flesh.



Cheers


Mark

[Frank S]

At Roosevelt Raceway, 1937





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Frank S

[ensign14]

Couple of alternative suggestions:

1900s - Gabriel on the Mors

1920s - Benoist in the Delage as a tribute to perhaps the most heroic driver of all; or Murphy's Duesenberg

[GPLEagle]

for the 1960s, you may want to consider the 1967 Eagle F1.
In terms of sportcars, Ferrari 512 and Porsche 917 are almost 'must have' in my mind
for the 1970s, I would suggest the Lotus 79 - beautiful 'clean' lines.

Good luck, I like the first pictures!

[D-Type]

It's difficult to whittle the list down. How about this selection which traces the evolution of the racing car?

1906 Szisz in a Renault - the first grand prix
1914 Lautenschlager in a Mercedes - the end of the Edwardian era and all it suggests
1928 Chiron in a Bugatti - le 'pur sang'
1935 Nuvolari in an Alfa Romeo P3 - the German GP was the greatest drive by the greatest driver ever
And you've already got Nuvolari or Rosemeyer in the Auto Union
1951 Fangio in a 158 Alfa Romeo - his first championship
1952 Ascari in a Ferrari 500 - the most successful postwar car or 1957 Fangio Maserati 250F - the German GP was his greatest race. Either car epitomises a 1950's front engined car
1963-1965 Jim Clark in a Lotus 25 or 33 - another champion in probably the smallest and slimmest car
You say you're doing the H16 BRM
1975-77 Niki Lauda in a Ferrari 312T or T2 - one of the greatest exponents in a winged 'modern' car

[Antoine Pilette]

If you do a 1914 GP Mercedes, you've got a customer (depending on the price indeed !) The Auto-Union seems really nice

[markmanroe]

1960s - Jim Clark, 1967 Lotus 49 Iconic driver in iconic car, the car and engine that formed the basis of F1 until the sidepod downforce cars

[wheelock]

Originally posted by Frank S
At Roosevelt Raceway, 1937
Frank S

Well spotted


D-Type
I haven't actually decided to do the BRM yet, just added it to my list,plus that engine would be
very time consuming to make!

Found a pic of Lautenschlager , He should look great with his mustache.

I have also discovered the Blitzen Benz, What a car!!!
Gorgeous







Mark

[wheelock]

Originally posted by Antoine Pilette
If you do a 1914 GP Mercedes, you've got a customer (depending on the price indeed !) The Auto-Union seems really nice

Hi Antoine
Thanks.
I will keep the thread updated.
These particular is for a collectible company, they produce great quality at very good prices.


Mark
The 49 is on my list too.



Mark

[SEdward]

Mark.

I must have seen too many photos of Auto Unions with Nuvolari at the wheel! How big is the model? It's impossible to tell from the photo.

Edward

[Stephen W]

Originally posted by BRG
Yes, a very nice list Steve, but he asked for 'a small list of iconic race machine/driver
combinations for each decade between 1900 and 1970' so you need to winnow that down a lot to allow room for cars from the five previous decades.

Some people are REALLY picky!

[ensign14]

For the sake of completeness, if your years are the end of each decade rather than the beginning, you will need one from 1891-1900 - which would have to be Emile Levassor's Panhard-Levassor (Old No. 5).

[wheelock]

Originally posted by SEdward
Mark.

I must have seen too many photos of Auto Unions with Nuvolari at the wheel! How big is the model? It's impossible to tell from the photo.

Edward

The model is about 14 inches long.
I am still waiting for the client to decide whether they are going to go ahead with a range
of further designs.




Mark