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[dujshebaev]

Fernando Alonso's top 2004 starts...



People said through years about Renault rocket launch control...but...
Why haven't we Trulli or Fisichella simillar videos???
I think the driver has revelance in the start, not only the launch control...
Look Australia and USA...
Who said a F1 hasn't grip in the grass???
And what about the "now right, then left" in USA...
I want to see FA starts in a McLaren but I think they will still special...
In my oppinion, FA is one of the top 3 starters.

This is a 2004 video, but you can find if you search another greats start in 2005 and 2006 from FA.

[Stephan]

All I know is that a certain Dutch guy Peter ... (forgot his last name, he was in the GP preview of Monaco) was the main responsible for the Rocket Renault launch system. Basically, the drivers provide feedback (and raw data) over the start at the parade lap, and then Peter is responsible for which setting they should use to start as quickly as possible.

[dujshebaev]

In the Explore More Videos we have more starts...
Malaysian 2006, from 8th to 3rd:

[Julli]

Hi

I had a opportynity to talk to a Renault F1 engineer last year who was a part of designing the launch control. He told that at the test they themselves were laughing because it was so good He then told that they measure the friction coeffs of the afphalt/tire compound compination at the last minute before the start and put it in to the lauch control software. It was some sort of control system with a lot of parameters from engine, enviroment and of course traction.

Julli

[Spunout]

I had a opportynity to talk to a Renault F1 engineer last year who was a part of designing the launch control. He told that at the test they themselves were laughing because it was so good He then told that they measure the friction coeffs of the afphalt/tire compound compination at the last minute before the start and put it in to the lauch control software. It was some sort of control system with a lot of parameters from engine, enviroment and of course traction.

Well, perhaps Alonso does the math in his head and programs the Launch Control himself?

Seriously, as you pointed out, it´s all programmed. The reaction time could make SMALL difference, but not more than that.

PS. In Malaysia clip, Fisi´s start was no worse. Alonso got 3rd because the Williams duo was busy battling each other.

[HBoss]

Some of it has to do with teammates and oponents fighting each other too hard and leaving the track wide open, some of it has to do with a good dose of audacity and some with Renault LC.

[Pep]

Originally posted by Julli
Hi

I had a opportynity to talk to a Renault F1 engineer last year who was a part of designing the launch control. He told that at the test they themselves were laughing because it was so good He then told that they measure the friction coeffs of the afphalt/tire compound compination at the last minute before the start and put it in to the lauch control software. It was some sort of control system with a lot of parameters from engine, enviroment and of course traction.

Julli

The Renault car has 5 different positions of TC. At the start of the formation lap they measure how good the first meters of the start have been, and depending on that they instruct the driver (Alonso or Fisi) to put the TC in position 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5.

Then it's up to the driver. And of course Alonso is a hell of a driver when fighting for positions, overtake and at the same time avoid incidents at the start.

[Peter Perfect]

Originally posted by Pep


The Renault car has 5 different positions of TC. At the start of the formation lap they measure how good the first meters of the start have been, and depending on that they instruct the driver (Alonso or Fisi) to put the TC in position 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5.

Then it's up to the driver. And of course Alonso is a hell of a driver when fighting for positions, overtake and at the same time avoid incidents at the start.

I didn't think TC was allowed at the start, could they be changing the engine mapping in some way?

[Spunout]

The "ban" of TC clearly didn´t change anything. Dunno how exactly it works these days.

And of course Alonso is a hell of a driver when fighting for positions, overtake and at the same time avoid incidents at the start.

That is certainly true. Of the current crop KR is the only one ahead of him in this area.

(of course, thanks to McMerc engines, he has more experience of starting from the back ;) )

[kNt]

He is very good at selecting his position, when to right and when left. But to exercise such a plan he needs the good LC. Heidfeld wasn't special at Williams last year but now in the BMW he is starting extremely well.

[yr]

Isn´t that somekind of a genious named Ted Zcapiski (sp?), who was in Ferrari when they suddenly improved their starts like there was no tomorrow, working in Renault nowadays? I think he might very well be behind those starts which can not be matched by any other car. I think I read from some internet site that Mclaren is trying to have him following Alonso next year to Woking.

[lukywill]

i think it´s a pity alonso seems more and more like ms :/

jumping wild on the podium, thinking himself as the beautifull child earth produce last decade, etc. fortunately he isn´t on the cheat wagon as ms from his 94 championship.

anyway it would be great to see more than one or 2 stars per year. it seems that these stars are made to shine on purpose.

a shame. giants are dead. fat people not yet.

[ivanalesi]

The only guy who is a good starter now is DC, not that the others cant be as good as DC, but most of them didnt have the chance. Look at Monza 97, he won the race because of this start from 6th. Same goes to Alesi, but he's not in F1 anymore.
Also, it has a lot to do w/ the car's traction & medium/high speed acceleration, even in those days.

[Gemini]

Originally posted by yr
Isn´t that somekind of a genious named Ted Zcapiski (sp?), who was in Ferrari when they suddenly improved their starts like there was no tomorrow, working in Renault nowadays? I think he might very well be behind those starts which can not be matched by any other car. I think I read from some internet site that Mclaren is trying to have him following Alonso next year to Woking.

Ted Czapski. He was also in Bennetton in 1994 ;)

[yr]

Originally posted by Gemini


Ted Czapski. He was also in Bennetton in 1994 ;)

Ah, that explains alot. No need for futher discussion about who is behind great starts of Renault.

[Dudley]

So let's talk about how stupid the people who watched YouTube lose $3.5 million of their money in 6 months and then gave them another $8m are.

[HBoss]

Originally posted by Dudley
So let's talk about how stupid the people who watched YouTube lose $3.5 million of their money in 6 months and then gave them another $8m are.

Sure.

What is that all about?

=D

[lustigson]

That number one is incredible: from 9th to 3rd in, what, 600 metres?

[LostProphet]

I seem to remember something being mentioned about the basic launch control being developed for/by Nissan and then brought over to Renault?
Probably something from the Skyline project if that's true.

[Lontano]

Originally posted by dujshebaev
Fernando Alonso's top 2004 starts...



People said through years about Renault rocket launch control...but...
Why haven't we Trulli or Fisichella simillar videos???
I think the driver has revelance in the start, not only the launch control...
Look Australia and USA...
Who said a F1 hasn't grip in the grass???
And what about the "now right, then left" in USA...
I want to see FA starts in a McLaren but I think they will still special...
In my oppinion, FA is one of the top 3 starters.

This is a 2004 video, but you can find if you search another greats start in 2005 and 2006 from FA.

The 2004 starts where already seen in 2002 and 2003, their rear-biased weight distribution works wonders at the starts. Those starts are great because Alonso finds gaps really easilly, but that wouldn't help if the car wasn't faster off the line than the others.

[clampett]

Originally posted by dujshebaev
Fernando Alonso's top 2004 starts...



People said through years about Renault rocket launch control...but...
Why haven't we Trulli or Fisichella simillar videos???
I think the driver has revelance in the start, not only the launch control...
Look Australia and USA...
Who said a F1 hasn't grip in the grass???
And what about the "now right, then left" in USA...
I want to see FA starts in a McLaren but I think they will still special...
In my oppinion, FA is one of the top 3 starters.

This is a 2004 video, but you can find if you search another greats start in 2005 and 2006 from FA.

Fisi had great starts last year: Monaco, Bahrein, Silverstone, Suzuka... aaaaaaaaand Canada

Btw nice clip indeed.

[Gemini]

Originally posted by lustigson
That number one is incredible: from 9th to 3rd in, what, 600 metres?

The last two positions were gained rather by great move on outside in corner one, that start itself.

Not that I want to take anything from the guy... That start was amazing. What was his fuel load in comparison to others at that race?

[HBoss]

Originally posted by Gemini


The last two positions were gained rather by great move on outside in corner one, that start itself.

Not that I want to take anything from the guy... That start was amazing. What was his fuel load in comparison to others at that race?

I don't think anyone knows, he crashed out very early after a puncutre caused by debris on the track.