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[ianbeckett21]

Hi! I have recently obtained a 1/43 model of the 917/10 which Wilson Fittipaldi raced in the Hockenheim Interserie race in 1973 or that Emerson drove at the Nurburgring Interserie race in 1974.Either way the car was owned by Willi Kauhsen.The model in the advert is painted red with sponsorship from Uniroyal.Can anyone clarify the situation or even better does anyone have pictures of this car? All the usual Google searches do not really reveal anything! Thanks, Ian.

[Pedro 917]

IIRC, the Kauhsen 917-10 was a yellow car.

[CJE]

Is this a diecast model? Perhaps it is a promotional model made for Uniroyal of a car that did not actually exist? Although I do have a very vague recollection of a Uniroyal 917/10!

[jarama]

I have (possibly) the same die-cast. Sports the #11 and I remember vaguely a picture of this car during the '72 Interserie. I'll try to find this picture and post it here. According to my research, Wilson Fittipladi drove this car in the Hockenheim race, 'though DNF.


Carles.

[biercemountain]

While slightly off topic, I was wondering if someone can explain why the Can Am series is generally looked on with admiration while the Interseries tends to foster much less enthusiasm?

[ianbeckett21]

I have found a very small picture in my files that I had forgotten about.It was indeed red and had race number 11.The model is by Solido an I hope to find better photos to add extra detail so please keep looking.Kauhsen had two 917/10's and one was always yellow but the Uniroyal car was definitely red. Uniroyal often gave sponsorship to Kauhsen's own car even when it was mainly backed by Bosch.

[Vitesse2]

Originally posted by biercemountain
While slightly off topic, I was wondering if someone can explain why the Can Am series is generally looked on with admiration while the Interseries tends to foster much less enthusiasm?

No works McLarens ... no Jackie Stewart .... no Mark Donohue .....

And, being brutal, from memory, I think the few UK rounds were usually at Croft? Never exactly the centre of British international racing ....

[petefenelon]

Originally posted by biercemountain
While slightly off topic, I was wondering if someone can explain why the Can Am series is generally looked on with admiration while the Interseries tends to foster much less enthusiasm?

Can-Am's roots were already in professional racing (the USRRC) and within a few years most of the drivers were top men; Interserie was never really seemed much more more than a German clubbie series that occasionally ventured abroad and most of the kit was secondhand.

It still seems to be alive, but last time I looked it had even stopped being an "impure" sports car series -- it seemed to be a sort of Central European FLibre with a mix of old single seaters (anything from FOpel up to old F3000s, Champcars and F1s), single-seaters with sketchy and often unaesthetic wheel-coverings, and small sports cars...

[Rob Ryder]

Originally posted by Vitesse2

No works McLarens ... no Jackie Stewart .... no Mark Donohue .....

And, being brutal, from memory, I think the few UK rounds were usually at Croft? Never exactly the centre of British international racing ....

Hey Vitesse2.. watch what you are saying
There's nowt wrong with Croft.;)
Rob

[Vitesse2]

Originally posted by Rob Ryder


Hey Vitesse2.. watch what you are saying
There's nowt wrong with Croft.;)
Rob

Except it's on t'wrong side of t'Pennines .....

[TIPO61]

Originally posted by biercemountain
While slightly off topic, I was wondering if someone can explain why the Can Am series is generally looked on with admiration while the Interseries tends to foster much less enthusiasm?

No Chaparrals.

[Jerry Entin]

I don't think the Interseries was promoted in the States at all. The races weren't avaliable for telecast to the US and people in the US didn't know much about them. The CanAm was run in Canada and the US and was televised and most of the sponsors were US based. Also I believe the prize monies were better in the CanAm. The CanAm also had Team McLaren and the Lola factory and the Shadows and the Chaparral and a effort from BRM and March and Porsche.

[raceannouncer2003]

Yes, according to Martin Krejci's site, at the '73 Hockenheim Interserie race, Kauhsen drove his own 917/10-15, while Wilson Fittipaldi drove Kauhsen's other car, 917/10-01. Fittipaldi's car was #11...

http://www.wsrp.wz.c...erie1973.html#7

Have you seen this page? Says Fittipaldi was "Team Uniroyal" at that race...

http://962.com/regis...0-001/index.htm

Vince Howlett, Victoria, B.C., Canada

[raceannouncer2003]

Apparently the real 917/10-01, in yellow livery, didn't sell at the Coys Monaco Auction last month...photos at:

http://www.barchetta...y-11/index.html

Vince H.

[simonlewisbooks]

Originally posted by Vitesse2

No works McLarens ... no Jackie Stewart .... no Mark Donohue .....

And, being brutal, from memory, I think the few UK rounds were usually at Croft? Never exactly the centre of British international racing ....

There was actually only one race at Croft, in 1970, which was the first year of the series and it only counted half points so didn't get a huge entry. There were three races at Silverstone 1972 Super Sport 200, 1973 and 1974 Martini International and one at Thruxton in 1970 .

The biggest difference between Interserie and Can Am was down to cash. There was simply a lot more of it in Can Am.

There was also the same basic problem that effectively killed Can Am - by 1972 you needed a Porsche 917/10 and they cost too much to for most teams to run. In the early days when a Lola T70 or Porsche 908 could run against a 917K, March 707 or McLaren M8 and have at least the chance of a good finish it was actually quite a healthy series. It just got too expensive and too exclusive in a very short time at just the point where the oil crisis kicked in. And of course Can Am had a head start of 4 seasons as well.

Simon Lewis
Transport Books
www.simonlewis.com

[ianbeckett21]

Just a gentle reminder and to keep the request at the forefront of the threads,any more info on the Fittipaldi/Uniroyal car which as now established ran in the '73 Interseries? Thanks Ian.

[CJE]

You probably already know this, but ....

[ianbeckett21]

Thanks,that is the model I have bought.Now I need help as to what colour the wheels and mirrors were,surely not chrome? Also were there any other decals apart from the large Uniroyal logos?

[swede917]

Here is a couple of pics from 1974. (sorry about the quality)


Emerson Fittipaldi


Willi Kaushen?

[Rob Ryder]

Originally posted by swede917
Here is a couple of pics from 1974. (sorry about the quality)
Willi Kaushen?

Harald Ertl testing at Hockenheim

[swede917]

Originally posted by Rob Ryder

Harald Ertl testing at Hockenheim

Thanks, thought the helmet looked familiar just couldn't place it.

[Twin Window]

There are a few models out there of the Willi Kauhsen Bosch car, and by better manufacturers than Solido it has to be said.

For example; PMA/Minichamps have this in 1:18 scale...



...while Marsh Models - Can-Am specialists and renowned for their accuracy - offered this as a built 1:43 kit...

[jal43]

Hi friend

The pic of Wilson Fittipaldi in red 917/10 Uniroyal team at Hockenheim '73

[IMG]http://img404.images...nhef18643ca.jpg[/IMG]

[Pedro 917]

The real thing, Goodwood FoS 2003 :

[ianbeckett21]

You are a star JAL43, many thanks!!Now if we can just get a side view...anyone? Thanks again. I have all the others Twinny and I would agree about Solidos usual quality because they were only really considered as toys but they did have a reputation for producing accurate bodyshapes and unusual subjects such as this one.I recently tries to buy a transkit of the Boeri car based on Solido parts on ebay but gave up at £50 so it shows the love for the 917 and particularly the rarer versions. Ian.

[ianbeckett21]

The model arrived this morning and did not disappoint! I would still like to see a photo from the side however to confirm the colour of the wheels and also the sides of the tub.This is painted red on the model but I have suspicions that it was possibly polished metal/silver on the real thing? Help anyone? Thanks Ian.

[RA Historian]

Resurrection of a thread and a leap in particular subject matter..

I came across some photos I took at the June Sprints in both 1976 and 1977 of the Porsche 917-10 Spyder of Randolph Townsend. Can anybody please tell me the history of this car? Thanks,
Tom

[raceannouncer2003]

I came across some photos I took at the June Sprints in both 1976 and 1977 of the Porsche 917-10 Spyder of Randolph Townsend. Can anybody please tell me the history of this car? Thanks,
Tom

According to this webpage at Martin Krejci's site:

http://www.wsrp.ic.c...orsche_917.html

it was s/n 015, ex-Kauhsen:

917/10-015 Porsche 1973 Gr.7 Willy Kauhsen => Randy Townsend (1975/76) Willi Kauhsen 1973. To Randy Townsend

I believe it is currently being restored in California (ex-Monte Shelton, Rosso-Bianco, etc.)

Vince H.

[RA Historian]

Thanks Vince. More than I knew before.
Tom

[fbarrett]

I don't think the Interseries was promoted in the States at all. The races weren't avaliable for telecast to the US and people in the US didn't know much about them.

Jerry: N

Never a truer word spoken. Seems as if all the old Can-Am Porsche 917s wound up there. I have tons of old Porsche factory Interserie posters--Kinnunen et al--but nobody knows what they are about. Some terrific racing, but few on this side of the Atlantic knew anything about it.

Frank

Edited by fbarrett, 04 January 2010 - 07:00.