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[Lutz G]

Originally posted by Vanwall


Call that a beard? And, "sporting a beard?" By jove, what a frightfully quaint turn of phrase. ;)

That's what I call a beard



Lutz

[HDonaldCapps]

Originally posted by Vanwall

[subh]

Originally posted by Bjørn Kjer
The F1 team racing with BMW engines and the drivers Heidfeld and Villeneuve/Kubica is the old Sauber team which was bought by BMW , reorganized and made bigger in Germany and Suisse. The name of the team is: B.M.W-Sauber

Yes, because of course BMW had previously visited the podium in their partnerships with Brabham, Benetton, Williams (all as winners), and indeed with Arrows...

[T54]

Andrew Kitson, please check your PM's, thanks!

[macoran]

Originally posted by john aston
But the best thing about Hungarian GP was the opening laps and watching Alonso- utterly and completely on top of his game.Loved his approach to taking different lines - looked as though he had a bigger race track than anyone else to play on.

I am with you all the way, but I also applaud Schumachers bit which was every bit as enervating.
to Kubica for his impressive debut as well.

1st GP in a long time which was actually worth watching.....I couldn't even haul myself to the
pantry for a fresh beer for fear of missing some action.

[RTH]

First GP winner with a father that wears a medallion ?

[D-Type]

The intriguing thing is the amount of on-track overtaking that occurred - and at the Hungaroring, which has a reputation for being difficult to overtake on.


Maybe thet's the answer: take a leaf from (British style) stock car racing and make the grid the previous race's finishing order - in reverse. Or even the championship points in reverse.

[Barry Boor]

Tear in the eye time yesterday afternoon; just as I had at the same venue when a certain Spaniard won his first Grand Prix (and the first for a Spanish driver!)

BUT, the most interesting fact for me is 58 posts on a thread that is basically about a modern F.1 race which most posters on TNF claim to have no interest in whatsoever!

[Richard Jenkins]

Originally posted by RTH
First GP winner with a father that wears a medallion ?

Surely not.. There must've been at least one winner in the 1970's with a father who had terrible dress sense.

[Twin Window]

Mike Keegan...

[macoran]

Originally posted by D-Type
The intriguing thing is the amount of on-track overtaking that occurred - and at the Hungaroring, which has a reputation for being difficult to overtake on.


Maybe thet's the answer: take a leaf from (British style) stock car racing and make the grid the previous race's finishing order - in reverse. Or even the championship points in reverse.

I'll ditto this idea....... do you have any connections to Bernie ?

[macoran]

Originally posted by Barry Boor
BUT, the most interesting fact for me is 58 posts on a thread that is basically about a modern F.1 race which most posters on TNF claim to have no interest in whatsoever!

I have an interest in RACING......there has just been a pitiful minimum of it in modern F1.

[scags]

Great race, but it would have been an AMAZING end if Renault managed to get all four wheel nuts on Alonso. Still, you have to be glad for Button.

[macoran]

Originally posted by scags
Great race, but it would have been an AMAZING end if Renault managed to get all four wheel nuts on Alonso. Still, you have to be glad for Button.

Is it so very late ....???? haven't they got them on before ??

[David Beard]

Originally posted by ensign14
Tyrrell's first win since Detroit 1983.

But a Toleman driver will probably win the Championship again?

[mark f1]

Originally posted by D-Type
Maybe thet's the answer: take a leaf from (British style) stock car racing and make the grid the previous race's finishing order - in reverse. Or even the championship points in reverse.

I'm all for giving half points for qualifying and then starting the race in reverse order. Purists will hate me for saying it, but the races would be exciting!!

Mark

[mikedeering]

Originally posted by mark f1

I'm all for giving half points for qualifying and then starting the race in reverse order. Purists will hate me for saying it, but the races would be exciting!!

Mark

I don't think topsy grids help - it's the usual story about rain. JB, FA and MS were effectively right at the front after 5 laps despite starting well down. Add in the Michelin/BS factor where according to the conditions on any one lap the difference between performance of the two can be 5 seconds and you get a decent race. Just like Brazil 2003.

That said, with one control tyre from next year that will take alot of the passing away in the wet.

[petefenelon]

Originally posted by David Beard


But a Toleman driver will probably win the Championship again?

Amazing what the heritage of Colin Hawker's Capri is, isn't it?;)

[ian senior]

On a busy Sunday afternoon, I kept hearing little bits of this race on the car radio - snippets like "and Jenson Button could well be on his way to win this race" (my reaction - "oh yeah, haven't I heard that before somewhere?) and Maurice Hamilton responding to a listener's query about why the race could in no way last longer than 2 hours ("it's due to TV commitments"). Next thing I heard was some hours later when they said that Jens had actually won the thing. To say that my gob was smacked would be an understatement.

Is that true about the 2 hour thing? I mean, why? When an international football match runs into extra time or penalties, they don't suddenly stop and return to Coronation Street.

[HDonaldCapps]

Is that true about the 2 hour thing? I mean, why? When an international football match runs into extra time or penalties, they don't suddenly stop and return to Coronation Street.

This has been true for several decades....

[Vicuna]

Has there been a GP winner with a better looking mother?

[Barry Boor]

Objection! Deviation.....

[Alan Lewis]

Originally posted by David Beard


But a Toleman driver will probably win the Championship again?

Unless the Alfa Romeo customer team beats him.

APL

[David Beard]

Originally posted by RTH
First GP winner with a father that wears a medallion ?

I recall Button Snr in Rallycross, but I think usually in an Escort, not a Capri?

[Twin Window]

A VW Beetle, wasn't it? (Actually, I might be getting him mixed-up with Franz Wurtz...)

[ensign14]

Originally posted by David Beard


But a Toleman driver will probably win the Championship again?

If not a Toleman driver, a driver with the Toleman staff...

[scheivlak]

Originally posted by ian senior

Is that true about the 2 hour thing? I mean, why? When an international football match runs into extra time or penalties, they don't suddenly stop and return to Coronation Street.

The last GP that ran significantly longer than 2 hours was the 1972 Monaco GP (more than 2hours and 26minutes!). Since then, we've seen several 2 hour or 2 hour 1 minute rain GPs which gives me the idea that the two hour rule counts since at least the mid seventies.
Of course there have been races where the finish flag fell significantly later than 2 hours after the start of the race: several races that were restarted after opening lap crashes and the time to clean up the debris (like Spa 98 and quite a few else).

[Valvert]

Originally posted by Twin Window
A VW Beetle, wasn't it? (Actually, I might be getting him mixed-up with Franz Wurtz...)

I don't know if you're mixing them up, they both drove VW Beetles once. John Button also drove a Golf in the British Championship. Franz Wurz (minus t) was a bit more succesful winning one of his European titles with his VW Beetle. Christijan Albers' father, Andre, was also a rather succesful rallycross driver around that time with a Porsche.

[petefenelon]

Originally posted by Alan Lewis


Unless the Alfa Romeo customer team beats him.

APL

It's a pity Motul-Rondel have lost a driver and their engine reliability's rubbish! ;P

[ian senior]

Originally posted by petefenelon


It's a pity Motul-Rondel have lost a driver and their engine reliability's rubbish! ;P

All this kind of stuff makes me think again that we really need someone to do a motor racing equivalent of Pete Frame's Rock Family Trees. Didn't someone suggest that once (was it you, Pete)?

[Andrew Kitson]

Originally posted by petefenelon


Amazing what the heritage of Colin Hawker's Capri is, isn't it?;)

Actually I thought that too Pete...until I came across a 1969 race programme the other day with Hawker entered in a saloon clubbie in a Toleman Group Ford Escort! Toleman's 'involvement' goes back to the 60s then...

[cosworth bdg]

Originally posted by David Beard


But a Toleman driver will probably win the Championship again?

I truely hope so.

[Vicuna]

Originally posted by Alan Lewis


Unless the Alfa Romeo customer team beats him.

APL

[petefenelon]

Originally posted by ian senior


All this kind of stuff makes me think again that we really need someone to do a motor racing equivalent of Pete Frame's Rock Family Trees. Didn't someone suggest that once (was it you, Pete)?

Errrrrr guilty Yes, it was, and I've got quite a bit of the information written down. Then it occurred to me that the best way to present it would be as a Wiki so you could follow the links, and I started looking at putting some Wiki software on one of my servers at home, and then ran out of spare time!

It's about time I picked it up, since I now have a posh laptop with all the development tools I could possibly want on it - thanks for the kick in the pants and I'll get going again in the very near future.

[Arjan de Roos]

11) First wet Hungarian GP, which explains a lot about points 1-10 (that have quite a UK background)

[green-blood]

oh now Button won.....

now that wally James Allen will be even worse....

[RTH]

Originally posted by green-blood
oh now Button won.....

now that wally James Allen will be even worse....

You may have heard that a' Charles Allen ' the overall boss of ITV has stepped down from the job this week , they do have various problems including falling viewing figures and falling advertising revenue. His salary was £2.2M p.a. and he will get a severence lump sum of £3M . Oh and at the age now of 50 a pension of £550,000 p.a.

Still, I expect the surname is just a co-incidence ?

[David Beard]

Originally posted by RTH



Still, I expect the surname is just a co-incidence ?

I think so. I think James is the son of Bill Allen, of Team Longbacon (?), one time Lotus Elite racer and mechanic to Willy Eckerslyke.

[frogeye59]

Originally posted by David Beard


- Willy Eckerslyke.

Please tell me that is a made up name, no one would do that to their offspring surely.

[Terry Walker]

"Will 'e win?"
"Will 'e heck as like .. '

We had a north country racer here in Western Australia who raced as Willy Eckerslake...

A character. Gone now, sad to say.

[BRG]

Originally posted by David Beard
I think so. I think James is the son of Bill Allen, of Team Longbacon (?), one time Lotus Elite racer and mechanic to Willy Eckerslyke.

But how are he and Charles Allen related to comedian Keith Allen and his daughter, the feisty, fashionable chantuese, Lily Allen? Or to my old school friend John Allen – no, wait a minute, scratch that, he spells it ALLAN.

And what relation is Benedict Allen, the explorer and travel author and TV presenter? Or Paul Allen, philanthropist and owner of the Seattle Seahawks – is he part of the American branch of the family? And is leading City lawyers Allen and Overy a part of the family empire? And let’s not get started on film-maker Woody Allen.

I think we should be told….

The truth is out there…

[Vitesse2]

Originally posted by frogeye59


Please tell me that is a made up name, no one would do that to their offspring surely.

It was. Actually Nigel Moores of the Littlewoods pools/department store/mail order company.

[ian senior]

Originally posted by BRG
But how are he and Charles Allen related to comedian Keith Allen and his daughter, the feisty, fashionable chantuese, Lily Allen? Or to my old school friend John Allen – no, wait a minute, scratch that, he spells it ALLAN.

And what relation is Benedict Allen, the explorer and travel author and TV presenter? Or Paul Allen, philanthropist and owner of the Seattle Seahawks – is he part of the American branch of the family? And is leading City lawyers Allen and Overy a part of the family empire? And let’s not get started on film-maker Woody Allen.

I think we should be told….

The truth is out there…

Or Ronald Allen, of "Crossroads", or football manager Martin "Mad Dog " Allen, or the recently deceased Patrick "Drop me in by Barratts helicopter" Allen, or Cathy Allen who I went out with when I was 17, or....

What have you started?

[Racer.Demon]

Originally posted by petefenelon


Errrrrr guilty Yes, it was, and I've got quite a bit of the information written down. Then it occurred to me that the best way to present it would be as a Wiki so you could follow the links, and I started looking at putting some Wiki software on one of my servers at home, and then ran out of spare time!

It's about time I picked it up, since I now have a posh laptop with all the development tools I could possibly want on it - thanks for the kick in the pants and I'll get going again in the very near future.

Ah yes, completely forgot about that... (or gave up on it?) ;)

But still very happy to host it!

[Richard Jenkins]

Originally posted by ian senior


or football manager Martin "Mad Dog " Allen,

who IS related to Paul Allen, Clive Allen, Les Allen & the legendary, great, late, Dennis Allen, all footballers.

and is James Allen any relation to another recently deceased fellow, James van Allen?

[ensign14]

Originally posted by Richie Jenkins


who IS related to Paul Allen, Clive Allen, Les Allen & the legendary, great, late, Dennis Allen, all footballers.

But not the Paul Allen of the Seattle Seahawks. Or Ray Allen of hand up Lord Charles' arse fame.

[ian senior]

Originally posted by ensign14
But not the Paul Allen of the Seattle Seahawks. Or Ray Allen of hand up Lord Charles' arse fame.

Or that other Ray Allen, of Pink Stamps F5000 McLaren fame.

[Sharman]

Actually I think it is misspelled, it should be Alien as in otherworld or ALIENATE the viewers with inanities.

[Richard Jenkins]

Originally posted by ensign14
But not the Paul Allen of the Seattle Seahawks. Or Ray Allen of hand up Lord Charles' arse fame.

But hold on.
Surely there must be some link to:
Bernard Allen, the late Chesney Allen, the late Dave Allen, the late Ronnie Allen, the late Steve Allen, Joan Allen, Elizabeth Allen, Karen Allen & the late Leslie Allen?