48 replies to this topic

[jonpollak]

It appears that the idea of Bernie holding on to/restricting video footage of his product has been severely compromised by YouTube.
That and the torrent sites which provide the basic stock from where it is derived..
I heard he complained about it but...everyone is and it may be too late.
Looks to me like the flood gates are open and there ain't no turning back....

Every racing website out there has a myriad of links to the site with clips going on at a rate that would spin most people's heads.
Not to mention those heads not bang up to speed with this fangled internet....

The other day I watched a 1968 Cam Am race from Riverside Raceway. It fell within my first handful of race attendance's!
Brilliant.

It's All Out There

Jp

[Rexx Havoc]

I thought about this the other day
just not limited to F1

My belief is that it is the new Napster ... it will be great for a while so get it while you can
because it will soon get shut down once the media shifts for the new story post BradGelleena
once this source begins to make the rounds and "everybody" is doing it
it will get shut down quicker than a snapping turtles jaw

now if it was a collection of home movies it'd be a different story ... but it is not

I hesitatingly watched GV's wreck in too much detail and clarity to see if it was how I remembered viewing it as a child
It was clearer and more graphic than I ever remembered there are many copies of this footage out there but the one I found seemed as if it was enhanced
most of the replays I've seen looked as if it was a foggy day and the film grainy... not this footage

time will tell

[jonpollak]

all over the internet tonight are we?....

it will get shut down quicker than a snapping turtles jaw

So you voted NO then...?
Jp

[Rexx Havoc]

Originally posted by jonpollak
all over the internet tonight are we?....


So you voted NO then...?
Jp

correct-amundo!

I've got a 4 wheel brake job on a massive delivery truck that didn't get done and they need it by morning to maintain my integrity
and I'm not feeling it ... it's sitting in the corner looking at me like a wet stray dog
and I just had my carpets cleaned ... get the drift?

[Rexx Havoc]

Originally posted by jonpollak
....

The other day I watched a 1968 Cam Am race from Riverside Raceway. It fell within my first handful of race attendance's!
Brilliant.

It's All Out There

Jp

here's my "mytube" moment
I was sitting in the grandstand in turn one (racers left) at the '90 GP in Pheonix when Alesi in a Tyrell made that audacious move on Senna (I have the pictures to prove it)
but never saw the race on the telly my video recorder malfunctioned
But... in the video of the pass pause the footage and look behind the fence (racers right) you can make out an RV parked next to a big converted bus


That was my rented RV that I rolled up in, in the middle of the night tipped the lot attendant 20 bucks and told him that I'd deal with who ever paid for the spot when the time came (long story ... albiet a good one)

Now if it wasn't for "your tube" I'd have no proof, nor could I relieve that moment

So Yeah, I love your tube but I have no doubts that, that footage will soon be lost to some letigious action

[jonpollak]

Yep.. I was there in Phoenix too. All three years.
Wish I had video to upload from those days ..I don't.. YouTube does!!
Sorry to hear about your wet carpet but... is the dog a greyhound?

Now....
Is it free publicity or copyright infringement?

Could it be a case of....As long as X,Y and Z doesn't make any money from it... ?

Still, the volume of stuff out there is growing exponentially.....
Here , There
and most everywhere. A good piece over on Npr has qualified opinions waxing lyrical over the prospects either way.

Jp

[Rexx Havoc]

Originally posted by jonpollak
Yep.. I was there in Phoenix too. All three years.
Wish I had video to upload from those days ..I don't.. YouTube does!!
Sorry to hear about your wet carpet but... is the dog a greyhound?

Now....
Is it free publicity or copyright infringement?

Could it be a case of....As long as X,Y and Z doesn't make any money from it... ?

Still, the volume of stuff out there is growing exponentially.....
Here , There
and most everywhere. A good piece over on Npr has qualified opinions waxing lyrical over the prospects either way.

Jp

the dog thing was an analogy for me looking at that truck

It may be seen as free publicity ... but I may not buy the video tape/ DVD "because" I got to show my friends the RV , besides they don't care about the race (this is only forinstance) so for free I get to prove my point without buying the video and the guy who produces/ pays for the right to market the race tape looses out on the 19.95 plus shipping and handleing because I got what I was really after myself for free instead of making a drunken impulse purchase at 3:37 a.m. from a commercial incessantly run on the telly (think "And They Walked Away Vol. 9,736)

so yeah no one made money off it ... but someone actually lost money on account of it

this is an unqualified view and only my opinion ... as is most of what I post is

[Dudley]

More importantly, how have YouTube not been sued into oblivion by now?

[kNt]

Youtube does delete vids if the rightfull copyright owners do ask stuff to be removed, I saw multiple vids beeing deleted.

[kamix]

No so sure with the answers .. I would say no it hasn't cracked Bernie because there is still a load of stock footage that no one has access to. If and when we get access to all that I'll vote yes.

PS. Most everything on YouTube has been available through communities on the net for years, I would say the biggest change is it's making some of these vids extremely easy for casual fans to find.

[lustigson]

A bit OT: I read yesterday that YouTube will be requesting all big record companies to upload (old) music videos onto the site. Looks like YouTube and not Google will be the worlds online tv library.

[se7en_24]

How long before YouTube is assymilated by Google though.

Oh, and apparently the BBC told them to get rid of all Top Gear videos.

[Mila]

my guess is that Bernie could put his foot down and protect his rights.

right, se7en_24. as you may know, other BBC material has been removed as well.

Dudley, Youtube has been a popular site, but not a very profitable one. so, up to this point, it could been a matter of some copyright holders saving their arms for bigger battles.

Youtube has had a love/hate relationship with NBC already. the network has forced the removal of its material from the site, yet the two entities have deemed that there would be potential in a collaborative arrangement. they have been working on a deal, with Youtube at one point threatening to end talks after NBC went public about their negotiations.

the topic of Youtube on CNBC, 8/16/06.

[fifi]

Originally posted by se7en_24
How long before YouTube is assymilated by Google though.

Oh, and apparently the BBC told them to get rid of all Top Gear videos.

google has its own video site as well remember

[mclarensmps]

there's other places you can get topgear full episodes from

there are also other places aside from Youtube that stream F1 videos

[jonpollak]

True....;)
Having said that the reach of those sites are limited to their enforced confidentiality.
I think the dissemination of F1 vids on a mass scale like YouTube can only show the product in a good light.
All the great moments will be captured and posted and all the zzzzzzz...ho hum I think I will walk the dog moments will not.

Another question would be..If it IS doomed....How long will it last?
Jp

PS....Anyone see that vid on RobertDoornbos's personal site?
a RedBull on public roads!!!!

http://robertdoornbos.com/

[SeanValen]

Originally posted by jonpollak


Another question would be..If it IS doomed....How long will it last?
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I guess all we can do is enjoy it while it lasts, it's just ashame you can't save those video files.

[connerz]

There is a way to save YouTube vids onto your PC, but YouTube is continually trying to prevent that.

saving vids

[valachus]

Originally posted by SeanValen


I guess all we can do is enjoy it while it lasts, it's just ashame you can't save those video files.

Oh but you can Here, for instance.

[pio!pio!]

Originally posted by jonpollak
It appears that the idea of Bernie holding on to/restricting video footage of his product has been severely compromised by YouTube.
That and the torrent sites which provide the basic stock from where it is derived..
I heard he complained about it but...everyone is and it may be too late.
Looks to me like the flood gates are open and there ain't no turning back....

Every racing website out there has a myriad of links to the site with clips going on at a rate that would spin most people's heads.
Not to mention those heads not bang up to speed with this fangled internet....

The other day I watched a 1968 Cam Am race from Riverside Raceway. It fell within my first handful of race attendance's!
Brilliant.

It's All Out There

Jp

i tried searching for 'riverside 1968' 'riverside can am' 'can am 1968' on youtube but I couldn't find it!!

do you have a link to it?

[xype]

I will admit to them cracking Bernie's Stronghold ™ when they pull in a cool $500 million a year.

[Dudley]

Originally posted by xype
I will admit to them cracking Bernie's Stronghold ™ when they pull in a cool $500 million a year.

They're having a damn good go at losing that much, does that count?

[Dragonfly]

Just now I see the thumbnails but no video can be played on my PC. Coincidence maybe.

[jonpollak]

Originally posted by pio!pio!


i tried searching for 'riverside 1968' 'riverside can am' 'can am 1968' on youtube but I couldn't find it!!

do you have a link to it?

I read your message the other day and went back to the link but YouTube was down for maintenance.
When I checked this morning... oh shißße...gone. Dang me if I can find it again...I bet it was removed as it had an ABC logo in the corner.
Perhaps it was part of these random clean ups/prunings.
http://www.webpronew...rRevisions.html

I must have blown it when I opened my big mouth..AGAIN.
Sorry 'bout that.

Jp

PS
However, bigmouth did manage to find some Digital F1+ highlights yesterday!!

[nigel red5]

Originally posted by jonpollak

PS
However, bigmouth did manage to find some Digital F1+ highlights yesterday!!

*Sigh*....oh the memories How we'd love to have One touch & co back now!

[jokuvaan]

Bits are free, but only younger generations comprehend it. I'm sure most people didnt realise what bookprinting shop means either.

[Hiatt]

Originally posted by jokuvaan
Bits are free, but only younger generations comprehend it.

Unfortunately the younger generation takes classic race footage, edit it together in MTV style, remove the original sound and put some plastic sillyness from their juvenile record collection on top of it. That is what will be the future history. Quality stuff will be drowned in this flood of auto edited junk.

I answered 'No' by the way. There is a lot happening on the copyright/pirating area right now. Money always wins.

[schuey100]

If Bernie wishes to stop YouTube broadcasting then he can at any time. It just takes him to say something and all F1 vids that are copyrighted can be automatically deleted.

A number of copyright holders have this agreement, NBC for one but they still let certain things go out for advertising possibilities.

There will come a point where Bernie embraces the internet and realises just how much money is out there. I for one would be willing tpo spend £100+ on getting good quality races for download. I guess I'm not the only one.

[DavidR]

Originally posted by fifi


google has its own video site as well remember

Isn't that a video search, not host?

[Dalton007]

I fail to comprehend why Bernie doesn't release classic GPs on DVD. There's an obvious demand for it from the fans. Would love a commentary track on a quali lap with the pole sitter. Lots of ideas to explore.

[Hiatt]

Originally posted by Dalton007
I fail to comprehend why Bernie doesn't release classic GPs on DVD. There's an obvious demand for it from the fans. Would love a commentary track on a quali lap with the pole sitter. Lots of ideas to explore.

I can't really stand those "Season reviews" that is currently available. Altough well done (mostly), they are not satisfying unless they come together with the full races, including qualifying, of that season. I would buy at least 10 seasons instantly if they where released like that. A random race from 1976 would beat most of the garbage shown on TV after midnight.

[Corners]

Yes I think all that is needed is some organisation and the desire. If channel randomly showed a full race at random from any era I would watch it every single night, it would be great, I could DVD them then and have a great library to pick from at random.

[kamix]

But since they aren't available like that there nothing left but to go to the darkside and download them ... I have many high quality races now every single one of which I would have been happy to pay $30 AUD for (average DVD price).

[zac510]

Here's a bit on how youtube 'get away with it'
http://www.theregist...tube_copyright/

[valachus]

Originally posted by Dalton007
I fail to comprehend why Bernie doesn't release classic GPs on DVD. There's an obvious demand for it from the fans. Would love a commentary track on a quali lap with the pole sitter. Lots of ideas to explore.

I've asked myself the same question and the only answer I can think of is that he's afraid that within months of this move the internet would turn his chest of treasures into just a box filled with old VHS tapes. So, he's patiently waiting for the ellusive technology that will make video recordings 100% impossible to duplicate.

[SeanValen]

Originally posted by valachus

I've asked myself the same question and the only answer I can think of is that he's afraid that within months of this move the internet would turn his chest of treasures into just a box filled with old VHS tapes. So, he's patiently waiting for the ellusive technology that will make video recordings 100% impossible to duplicate.

Originally posted by Dalton007
I fail to comprehend why Bernie doesn't release classic GPs on DVD. There's an obvious demand for it from the fans. Would love a commentary track on a quali lap with the pole sitter. Lots of ideas to explore.

Originally posted by Hiatt

I can't really stand those "Season reviews" that is currently available. Altough well done (mostly), they are not satisfying unless they come together with the full races, including qualifying, of that season. I would buy at least 10 seasons instantly if they where released like that. A random race from 1976 would beat most of the garbage shown on TV after midnight.

I've lost count how many times I've suggested that idea, but I kinda stopped, because if Bernie hasn't thought of it now, he may never,, he's probabley too busy collecting paycheques from Toyota to have utter nightmare quality tracks like Fuji, and spoiling our enjoyment in other ways like getting rid of Suzuka despite his billions.

We have to face the fact, fans never come first, keep dropping down the list of prorities in the sport. Picture us all holding on to a rope on a cliff in Japan near Suzuka, that's being cut by Bernie, rope particle by rope particle each year, certainly in the last 8 years when the rot started after we burried slick tyres. I was there that day, my badly prepared tea wasn't the only thing wrong that day, Bernie was looking at me as if I wasn't even a fan, but some scrap piece of paper.

At the end of the day, we are insignificant to his business deals, he must concentrate his energy on old fashioned business deals because he wants to go out in a blaze of glory and be remembered as a tough bastard business man, the rest is the damage he leaves behind. Die Hard f1 fans are not as important or as lucky perhaps as we used to be, the sport has evolved that it can easily displease us and still move along.










P.S We may have to wait until the era after Bernie, so stay in shape, stay healthy, we'll be getting the HD-DVDs or whatever the next format is in about 6 or 10 years. My prediction, I wish Bernie a long and happy life of cource, but he's gotta step down some time or is he gonna go down with his pen and paycheques in some business deal. The latter I think. He is a Legend and I respect where f1 is with him, but now where here, he can be very annoying at times.

Yet were all still here as f1 fans, remarkable, a toast to us all.

[Jackman]

Originally posted by Dalton007
I fail to comprehend why Bernie doesn't release classic GPs on DVD. There's an obvious demand for it from the fans.

It's quite possible that Bernie doesn't own the rights to the older races.

[SeanValen]

Originally posted by Jackman
It's quite possible that Bernie doesn't own the rights to the older races.

Now that is pretty interestnig.

How much could they cost to be brought back? Possibly he's not interested in the legal fights and fees.

[djned]

Originally posted by nigel red5
*Sigh*....oh the memories How we'd love to have One touch & co back now!

well that was actually my first look at the digital presenters...being aussie i've heard of ben edwards via this forum, but never seen...

...bloody hell they leave itv for dead innit.

of course, i concede this is judged from said limited knowledge of the digital guys...but yeah. bring back digital. those graphics. sigh.

[hedges]

Originally posted by Rexx Havoc


the dog thing was an analogy for me looking at that truck

It may be seen as free publicity ... but I may not buy the video tape/ DVD "because" I got to show my friends the RV , besides they don't care about the race (this is only forinstance) so for free I get to prove my point without buying the video and the guy who produces/ pays for the right to market the race tape looses out on the 19.95 plus shipping and handleing because I got what I was really after myself for free instead of making a drunken impulse purchase at 3:37 a.m. from a commercial incessantly run on the telly (think "And They Walked Away Vol. 9,736)

so yeah no one made money off it ... but someone actually lost money on account of it

this is an unqualified view and only my opinion ... as is most of what I post is

Only lost money IF you would have bought it. Would you really have bothered spending 20 bucks just to point to a RV. Maybe not a lot of cash but still. I don't think downloading movies or music has changed my purchasing habits.

[Witt]

I'd love a DVD where i could flick between the world feed, on board channel, and live timing, as though i was watching it live. If i had a HD-DVD burner, and infinite time, i'd start making them myself now.

[prty]

I'm seeing lately a LOT of F1 videos under the "This video has been removed due to terms of use violation." thing.

[HSJ]

Originally posted by prty
I'm seeing lately a LOT of F1 videos under the "This video has been removed due to terms of use violation." thing.

Wasn't youtube sold to Google or something? Maybe that's what's really changed now.

[jonpollak]

Yes prty you are correct.
Both my favorite contributers have had their accounts frozen within the last week.

But there are still LOADs of things being added daily with random tags that do not relate to "Formula1"
HERE'S ONE from Monza
Brundle confronting Max about his dubious rules policy

A little birdie told me the SPEED channel website will be adding various videos during the off season.
They already have a good "round table" discussion which you can find HERE
Perhaps this is due to the fact that they have actually PAID for the rights to begin with?
IF, and I say IF because the little birdie has been wrong on occasion, they DO show clips on their site how long before the "official"site pulls their finger out and gets on board the new media gravy train?

Bernie...My Money Is Waiting

Jp

[FredAlonso]

Found this little nugget:

[jokuvaan]

Moving F1 into pay channels will ever increase pirate F1.

[Calorus]

Originally posted by FredAlonso
Found this little nugget:

Heil Gunter!

[jonpollak]

Some folks out there are crazy...
Mein Got Im Himmel!
Leni is turning in her grave

Swerving back on topic...
http://media.guardia...usrc=rss&feed=4
Jp

[jonpollak]

http://www.autosport...icle.php/id/854

Like I said.....

Jp