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#1 cabianca

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Posted 31 August 2006 - 21:42

Does anyone have the entries INCLUDING race numbers for the 1937 French Grand Prix. It was run for sports cars that year at Montlhery. Many thanks.

I have
4 Delahaye T145 DNS
8 Albert Divo Talbot T150C 3rd
16 Bugatti T57S45 DNS
20 Laury Schell Delahaye T135CS
22 Carriere Delahaye T135 CS 4th

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#2 D-Type

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Posted 31 August 2006 - 23:20

Why do you say 'misnamed'?

That year the ACF decided that they would run their GP for sports cars, just as they did in 1936 and 1949 and the ACM did in 1952. It was still the Grand Prix of the Automobile Club de France

1st Louis Chiron (Talbot)
2nd Gianfranco Comotti (Talbot)
3rd Albert Divo (Talbot)

#3 Ray Bell

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Posted 31 August 2006 - 23:26

Just why am I reminded of Hagar the Horrible?

Something's definitely amiss here... over 90 minutes and no complete answer to the question...

#4 Wolf

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Posted 31 August 2006 - 23:27

Martin Krejci has both race numbers and chassis numbers for the race: http://www.wsrp.wz.c...war1937.html#18 . Hope it helps. :)

EDIT- Ray, You typed it while I was posting. :)

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Posted 31 August 2006 - 23:38

There's something wrong with Martin's site today - I can't get to the French GP. I have notified him. Or perhaps it's just my computer showing its age more than usual.

#6 Wolf

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Posted 31 August 2006 - 23:46

D-Type, maybe there's a temporary glitch with the server, I was there just before I posted (and the link is working for me now, too).

#7 Ray Bell

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Posted 01 September 2006 - 00:09

Originally posted by Wolf
.....EDIT- Ray, You typed it while I was posting.


Y'get that...

Want to go back to Hagar?

#8 D-Type

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Posted 01 September 2006 - 20:31

A little more information (from Higham)
[list=1]
[*]Louis Chiron (Talbot T150C) 40 laps in 3 46 06.1
[*]Gianfranco Comotti (Talbot T150C) 3 48 12.5
[*]Albert Divo (Talbot T150C) 3 49 48.9
[*]Rene Carriere (Delahaye 135) at 1 lap
[*]Raymond Sommer (Talbot T150C) at 2 laps
[*]Eugene Chaboud / Jean Tremoulet (Delahaye 135) at 7 laps
[/list=1]

Sorry, no race numbers, but Martin's site will have them if you can get to the race result (which Ican't either from home or from work :mad: )

#9 Boniver

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Posted 01 September 2006 - 21:37

1. 12 Louis Chiron (Talbot T150C) 40 laps in 3 46 06.1 - chassie 82934
2. 10 Gianfranco Comotti (Talbot T150C) 3 48 12.5
3. 8 Albert Divo (Talbot T150C) 3 49 48.9
4. 22 Rene Carriere (Delahaye 135) at 1 lap
5. 6 Raymond Sommer (Talbot T150C) at 2 laps
6. 28 Eugene Chaboud / Jean Tremoulet (Delahaye 135) at 7 laps

not finish
30 De Sauge-Leoz - Bugatti
26 Daniel - Delahaye
24 Louis Villeneuve - Delahaye 14 R -
20 Laury Schell - Delahaye - 12 R accident
18 Dreyfus - Delahaye - 8 R motor

Forfet and DNS
2 Boudot Amilcar
4 Frettet - Delage ---- forfet (accident ?)
14 Wimille Bugatti
16 Benoist - Bugatti --- road accident
32 Heinemann (Dt) - BWM


Talbot - Automobiles Talbot
Carriere / Schell / Dreyfus - Ecurie Bleue
Frettet - Team Louis Delage
Wimille / Benoist - Team Bugatti
28 / 30 / 26 / 24 / 2 / 32 - prive

Talbot 150 C new car with 12 cylinder

PP :
1 Chiron 127,226 km
2 Sommer
3 Comotti
4 Divo
5 Dreyfus
6 Schell
7 Carriere

Race
1. Chiron - Sommer - Comotti
3 Sommer - Comotti - Chiron
15 Comotti - Sommer
20 Sommer - Chiron - Divo - Comotti
22 Sommer in pits (1'44)
23 Chiron Sommer +25"
30 Chiron Sommer +2"
33 Chiron Sommer +16
34 Sommer in pits (15')
35 Chiron - Comotti - Divo - Carriere - Sommer

Note
It was the 3° win for Chiron in the ACF race
1931 - 1 Chiron - Bugatti
1934 - 1 Chiron - Alfa Romeo
1937 - 1 Chiron - Talbot

In 1938 Talbot T150C car start in the ACF GP race with 4,5 l engine
1. Von Brauchitsch - Mercedes
4. Carriere - Talbot - 10 laps
DNF Etancelin - Talbot

#10 Henk Vasmel

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Posted 03 September 2006 - 23:07

It seems that Martin's server is just a bit slow. This happens often to me. You get a ready message before the full page has loaded, and then, whatever you try, you can't get past that point. The only thing that works for me is: Go to your browsers cache, delete the page you wanted, and then load it again. Usually it works perfectly the second time. But it really needs to be forced to re-read, and by brute force as well.

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#11 Henk Vasmel

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Posted 03 September 2006 - 23:10

To prove that it works for me, here is the text, copied from the site. No make-up though. At the first try, I couldn't get past race nr. 16. The second try gave the full page.


GP de l'A.C.F.
Grand Prix de l'Automobile Club de France, Circuit Routier de Linas-Montlhéry Date: 4.7.1937

Started: 11
Classified: 6

Circuit lenght: Race distance: 504,350 km Winner's average speed: 132,729 km/h

Fastest lap: Louis Chiron No. 12 Talbot T150C 5:29,7 135,535 km/h (lap 31)

Pos. No. Driver / Nationality Car Entrant Laps Time/retired Pos. Group Pos. Practice
1. 12 Louis Chiron (F) Talbot T150C 82934 437W1 Automobiles Talbot 40 3:46:06,100
2. 10 Gianfranco Comotti (I) Talbot T150C 82930 [82933] 440W1 Automobiles Talbot 40 3:48:12,500
3. 8 Albert Divo (F) Talbot T150C 82935 439W1 Automobiles Talbot 40 3:49:48,900
4. 22 René Carriere (F) Delahaye 135CS .8...... Ecurie Bleue 39 3:51:25,500
5. 6 Raymond Sommer (F) Talbot T150C 82931 Automobiles Talbot 38 3:49:13,500 1.
6. 28 Eugene Chaboud (F)
Jean Trémoulet (F) Delahaye 135CS 47190 Chaboud 33 3:46:21,800
Did not finish:
30 de Saugé
Léoz Bugatti T57S de Saugé-Léoz 27 3:12:24,200/DNF
26 Daniel Porthault (F) Delahaye 135CS 47192 7102RK Danniell 24 2:35:46,400/DNF
24 Louis Villeneuve (F) Delahaye 135CS 46835 E. Villeneuve 16 2:32:58,000/DNF
20 Laury Schell (USA) Delahaye 135CS Ecurie Bleue 14 1:21:50,200/Accident
18 René Dreyfus (F) Delahaye 145 Ecurie Bleue 8 1:04:46,000/DNF 2.
Did not start:
2 Boudot Amilcar Pégase Boudot
4 Henri Frétet Delage V12 1000RL1 Louis Delage Accident in practice
14 Jean-Pierre Wimille (F) Bugatti T57S 45 E. Bugatti
Running in practice:
16T Robert Benoist (F) Bugatti T57S Disqualified
In entry list only:
- "Raph" (F) Talbot T150C 82932/90101 André Embiricos
16 Robert Benoist (F) Bugatti T57S 45 1202W5 E. Bugatti Accident on the way to the circuit
32 Paul Heinemann (D) BMW 328 Heinemann


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#12 Ray Bell

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Posted 05 September 2006 - 09:21

Clearly my 'Hagar the Horrible' quip has gone over heads here...

This comic strip once had an episode where Hagar and his mob had captured France. "Ah, now we have France we should eat some fine French food!" (or words to that effect) said Hagar.

So he and his mate sat down in a restaraunt, but quickly came up against a French waiter complaining that they weren't pronouncing the words correctly. An argument ensued and they, the conquering invaders, were thrown out of the restaurant.

With the final scene, Hagar and his friend are walking away in disgust, the waiter waving his fist at them in the background, and Hagar is saying, "The French, you can't deal with them!"

The 1937 French GP being run for Sports Cars tends to come under the same heading in my mind...

#13 Vitesse2

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Posted 05 September 2006 - 11:24

Originally posted by Ray Bell
Clearly my 'Hagar the Horrible' quip has gone over heads here...

I doubt there are many readers of The Sun among the British contingent.