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#151 Alan Cox

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 13:19

The #13 seems to have been entered by and for Davina in European F2 sporadically after Silverstone according to the formula2,net website not at Thruxton but then at the Nurburgring and then again at Donington ? Can any one put us to rights what was happening and who was driving and who the entrant was ?

Divina did use a black helmet with silver(?) band that year with the March. Definitely Divina, i would say.

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#152 ensign14

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 13:21

I think it was a gold band. She used it for some seasons later as well, I remember seeing her use it at a hillclimb.

#153 arttidesco

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Posted 10 May 2010 - 23:44

Well bang goes the theory two brain cells are better than one, thanks for putting RJC and I right Alan & Ensign14 :-)

Here are a couple more pix from the same race.


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Osella FA2/79, #9 Eddie Cheever, Formula 2, Silverstone, 25/03/79, 1st, with owners permission.


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March 792 BMW, #7, Derek Daly, Formula 2, Silverstone, 25/03/79, 2nd, with owners permission.


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Ralt RT2 - Hart, #14 Brian Henton, Formula 2, Silverstone, 25/03/79, Ralph, Jurgen, Colmar, 3rd, with owners permission.


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Chevron B48 Hart, #6, Bobby Rahal, Formula 2, Silverstone, 25/03/79, 4th, with owners permission.


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March 792 BMW, #8, Stephen South, Formula 2, Silverstone, 25/03/79, 5th, with owners permission.


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March 792 BMW, #16, Miguel Angel Guerra, Formula 2, Silverstone, 25/03/79, 7th, with owners permission.


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March 792 - Hart, #77 Derek Warwick, Formula 2, Silverstone, 25/03/79, DNF, with owners permission.

Are we the only ones to have noticed that Robin Heard was seems to have only been drawing solely with the aid of a ruler the day he penned his 1979 Formula 2 and Formula 3 chassis ?


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March 792 BMW #1, Marc Surer, Formula 2, Silverstone, 25/03/79, DNS, with owners permission.

Does anybody else remember Marc and Beppe Gabbiani crashing on the warm up lap ? Got any pix ?

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#154 Marc Sproule

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 04:32

I was never fortunate enough to have seen an F2 race in person. However, in many ways the F2 races came to my side of the pond.

A lot of the drivers mentioned in this thread also competed in the North American Formula Atlantic series. You'll find pics of a lot of them in my Atlantic set. Many more will be added as time goes on.

http://www.flickr.co...57623186773769/

As I go through my archives I am constantly reminded how fortunate I was to have been involved with the Atlantic series, and, by extension, the F2 series as well.

Iconic proving ground is indeed a most apropos description.

#155 john winfield

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 07:39

Does anybody else remember Marc and Beppe Gabbiani crashing on the warm up lap ? Got any pix ?
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My memory is going - I don't remember that at all! I do recall Siegfried Stohr losing his Chevron right in front of me at Woodcote, on the first or second lap, and ending stranded on the raised island of the chicane. The race, I think, had to be restarted. It was cold, wet and dark and the race was superb, in doubt until the final lap. The F Ford support race started later in the gloom and finished before Copse in a mass pile-up; the organisers decided, because the evening weather was so dismal, that it was too dark to restart.

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 08:52

Does anybody else remember Marc and Beppe Gabbiani crashing on the warm up lap ? Got any pix ?

That happened at the opening round at Silverstone in 1979, whiping out two of the three works Polifac March 792's! I'll check my magazines tonight for details / pics if any.

#157 arttidesco

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 09:07

I'm not sure I have finished thawing out from that event yet, makes you wonder how they ever got the tyres up to operating temperature, I had completely forgotten the event was restarted, but I do remember it a close finish between Cheever and Daley.

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 10:39

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Ralt RT2 - Hart, #14 Brian Henton, Formula 2.


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#159 arttidesco

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 15:01

Awesome pic eldougo I assume by 'we' you mean you were in the Ralt factory or in Toleman team ?


Where was the 'factory' looks like a builders yard in the back ground ?

Don't fancy the life of those skits on all that uneven concrete :-)

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#160 eldougo

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Posted 15 May 2010 - 00:48

I was back in Uk at the time and was asked by Ron T to help out ,having worked for Ralt Cars over the years ,the builders yard is the old Brabham factory at Weylock Works Byfleet Rd Newhaw and the second" Rat factory" the first one being in Snelgar Rd Woking in 1975. Yes the concrete surface would have made them redundant very quickly.
It was the car park for staff and test area for many a NEW car that had just been built until Ron T put speeh bumps in .One day Ron wanted to drive a Kart that a young chap had brought in to show us and he forget about the speed hump and got airborne at the first one Sooooooo funny to watch. :)

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#161 arttidesco

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Posted 15 May 2010 - 07:01

Must have been happy days, I hear working for racing car manufacturers tends towards the labour of love end of the pay scale, a former work colleague of mine, fresh out of school, let on that he was interested in cars to Adrian Reynard and ended up 'helping out' at Reynards for a number of years before he realised he was still broke and decided to get a 'proper' job :-)

Were you responsible for anything in particular when you were helping out karting expert Ron T ?

I never got on with karts myself I only drove two and spun them both and came to the conclusion that I'd got in way too late , ironically later when I got into a formula first single seater at racing school, I found my sense of self preservation would not let me drive it fast enough to deliberately spin it ! :-)

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Posted 15 May 2010 - 07:06

I am constantly reminded how fortunate I was to have been involved with the Atlantic series,

Fab pics I might trade the two Formula 2 races I saw for just one lap of seeing Gilles in the #69 :-)


#163 LDS

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Posted 10 February 2011 - 17:29

Some shots from Donington in 1982?
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Posted 10 February 2011 - 20:22

Yeah, go on then. :)

Am I the only one to think Corrado might have been the more talented Fabi?

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Posted 10 February 2011 - 20:43

Thierry Tassin
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Posted 10 February 2011 - 20:56

Beppe Gabbiani
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#167 ensign14

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Posted 10 February 2011 - 20:57

These are excellent. Many thanks. :)

Any real obscurities?

#168 LDS

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Posted 10 February 2011 - 21:05

Not so sure about obscurities, reckon I must have another half dozen of these. Lot of the others look French.. Not sure who is, no doubt you will enlighten me
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#169 ensign14

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Posted 10 February 2011 - 21:10

Cliff Hansen in the Trundle Racing March. :)

#170 LDS

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Posted 10 February 2011 - 22:09

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I've posted photos of Jo Gartner and Oscar Pedersoli on the Jo Gartner thread. They are part of this set. The only ones I have left are Acheson/Palmer/Boutsen/Schlesser and another 2 cars which look like they may be Martinis?

#171 Julian Roberts

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Posted 11 February 2011 - 09:07

Just one image to hand on my work PC - Brian Henton at Silverstone in 1979

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Posted 11 February 2011 - 10:08

About 2.0 liters, late F2: how stock were the "production based" engines allowed?

Did they just have to retain the original block or there were more restrictions?
I remember the Honda being in a totally different league from others, so I suspect there was a lot a manufacturer could do.



#173 LDS

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Posted 11 February 2011 - 17:02

Another couple from Donington 1982. This is Thierry Boutsen
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Posted 11 February 2011 - 17:04

Kenny Acheson
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#175 Michael Ferner

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Posted 11 February 2011 - 20:11

"About 2.0 liters, late F2: how stock were the "production based" engines allowed?"

2-litre F2 was not production based, it was all-out racing engines.

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Posted 11 February 2011 - 22:43

"About 2.0 liters, late F2: how stock were the "production based" engines allowed?"

2-litre F2 was not production based, it was all-out racing engines.

If I remember correctly, the engines had to be production based for the early years of the 2-litre F2, but this requirement was dropped from about 1976 onwards.

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Posted 12 February 2011 - 13:03

If I remember correctly, the engines had to be production based for the early years of the 2-litre F2, but this requirement was dropped from about 1976 onwards.

The first year of 2-litre F2, 1972, engines had to be Group-2 homologated and from a production run of 1,000+. Which was a problem as there were literally no such 2-litre engines in existence at the time! The teams all ended up running bored-out 1.6-litre Ford blocks, the trick being to work out how close to 2 litres you could get the engine without it blowing up. Surtees won the title with 1,850 cc blocks, most everyone else lost their money in clouds of steam and oil....

For 1973 100-off cylinder heads were allowed, which let in the BMW amongst others, and full racing engines were (as Andy said) allowed from 1976.

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 13:43

Philippe Streiff AGS BMW?
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Posted 24 April 2011 - 06:35

Osella BMW F2 1974 .at Vallelunga in the hands of Arturo Merzario

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Posted 24 April 2011 - 06:41

Osella BMW F2 1974 .at Vallelunga in the hands of Arturo Merzario

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Great shot! Had the feeling it had to be Little Artie, looking far down track.... his only viewing option!


#181 Tim Murray

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Posted 24 April 2011 - 07:21

Great shot! Had the feeling it had to be Little Artie, looking far down track.... his only viewing option!

:lol:

I never understood how he could see where he was going in some of the cars he drove.

#182 E1pix

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Posted 24 April 2011 - 07:40

:lol:

I never understood how he could see where he was going in some of the cars he drove.


No Kidding! I've been amazed by Artie since I was 12 and around his size.... just look at that pic, like a little kid in a pickup truck. :wave:

Admirable for sure, one so small driving the quickest cars on the planet, and rather well to boot.... had to be worth many tenths in NOT SEEING! :up:

#183 chrisj

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Posted 27 December 2013 - 06:22

Could someone tell me the main colors of the March BMW driven by Alberto Colombo in 1978? Sponsored by Speedprint, it looks to be white with red, but I only have black and white photos. Any assistance is much appreciated. 



#184 Tim Murray

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Posted 27 December 2013 - 07:07

It was certainly red and white at Pau in 1979:

 

http://www.motoprint...64cc26a472fd53e



#185 john winfield

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Posted 04 November 2018 - 11:03

Pathé footage of Jochen winning at Silverstone on a cold March day in 1967. There are some shots of Piers Courage and the McLaren which has broken down between the Motor Bridge and Copse.

 

https://www.britishp...VERSTONE RACING



#186 alfredaustria

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Posted 04 November 2018 - 12:40

 

a great short film of Graham Hill talking about formula two.



#187 john winfield

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Posted 10 April 2019 - 15:47

Pathé footage of Jochen winning at Silverstone on a cold March day in 1967. There are some shots of Piers Courage and the McLaren which has broken down between the Motor Bridge and Copse.

 

https://www.britishp...VERSTONE RACING

 

Here's a bit more film from that day, courtesy of the Kinolibrary:

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=rjYpBHA59sg