Jump to content


Photo

TNF's 'Worldwide BMC Owners Club'


  • Please log in to reply
812 replies to this topic

#801 Odseybod

Odseybod
  • Member

  • 1,804 posts
  • Joined: January 08

Posted 29 March 2020 - 18:43

Back briefly to Landcrabs. I seem to remember someone at BMC (maybe even Issigonis) reckoned it was the most torsionally rigid shell they ever made, though as Ray says, everything ahead of the front bulkhead was a bit dubious. My Dad had a very early Austin 1800 as his company car and from memory had three engine blow-ups in under 12,000 miles - he did a lot of motorway driving and at prolonged high speed, the mechanical bits took exception to the Max mark on the dipstick being the same as on the A60 Cambridge/Oxford, which shared the same B Series engine but without having the transmission in the sump to confuse things. Other downsides were the horrible cable-operated gearchange (Is it in 1st or 3rd? Let's see if it stalls) and very low-geared steering, which made town driving a pain as it was also heavy. But the cabin was incredibly spacious and the ride was perhaps Hydrolastic's finest hour.

 

I'd always thought it was quite a big car, until I recently saw one alongside a modern BMW Mini and realised they both occupied about the same amount of road-space.



Advertisement

#802 Tim Murray

Tim Murray
  • Moderator

  • 24,607 posts
  • Joined: May 02

Posted 29 March 2020 - 18:55

The current BMW Mini would have been considered a limousine in the ‘60s. Even the shortest current Mini is around two and a half feet longer than the original Issigonis Mini. :well:

#803 garyfrogeye

garyfrogeye
  • Member

  • 627 posts
  • Joined: May 08

Posted 29 March 2020 - 19:08

I heard that the BMW mini had a similar wheelbase to the mk1 Range Rover. They may be even bigger now.

#804 David Birchall

David Birchall
  • Member

  • 3,291 posts
  • Joined: March 03

Posted 29 March 2020 - 21:06

A friend fitted the complete interior of a new (short wheelbase) Mini into an old Mini-it took surprisingly little work - apart from making a new crossmember that goes under the front seats!



#805 Ray Bell

Ray Bell
  • Member

  • 80,259 posts
  • Joined: December 99

Posted 29 March 2020 - 22:13

Originally posted by Odseybod
Back briefly to Landcrabs. I seem to remember someone at BMC (maybe even Issigonis) reckoned it was the most torsionally rigid shell they ever made, though as Ray says, everything ahead of the front bulkhead was a bit dubious.....


Actually, it was Lee who said that...

I might not have. But then again I may have.

.....My Dad had a very early Austin 1800 as his company car and from memory had three engine blow-ups in under 12,000 miles - he did a lot of motorway driving and at prolonged high speed, the mechanical bits took exception to the Max mark on the dipstick being the same as on the A60 Cambridge/Oxford, which shared the same B Series engine but without having the transmission in the sump to confuse things.....


Your dad was one who would put in the extra half-pint for the road?

That was determined, IIRC, as being the cause of most of those early blow-ups.

#806 Odseybod

Odseybod
  • Member

  • 1,804 posts
  • Joined: January 08

Posted 30 March 2020 - 10:08

I heard that the BMW mini had a similar wheelbase to the mk1 Range Rover. They may be even bigger now.

 

I'd imagine the dubious Countryman version would be on a par with the  P38 R R.

 

I was told by 'a usually reliable source' that the supercharger from the Cooper S version of the first BMW Minis was an easy bolt-on fit to an A-Series engine. Not sure if the later ones still use a blower.



#807 BRG

BRG
  • Member

  • 25,950 posts
  • Joined: September 99

Posted 30 March 2020 - 13:04

I was told by 'a usually reliable source' that the supercharger from the Cooper S version of the first BMW Minis was an easy bolt-on fit to an A-Series engine. Not sure if the later ones still use a blower.

Nope.  I bought a Cooper S back in August and it has a 2 litre turbo motor, the same one that the smaller BMWs use.  It makes up to 190bhp, so it is quite lively and reasonably economical - I am getting just over 42mpg overall.

 

As for size, I parked next to a 'real' Cooper S last year and the size difference was frankly ludicrous.  Especially as you can't really fit four adults in the car unless two of them are amputees  but I had four adults in reasonable comfort in my original Cooper S 970cc back in the 1970s, although that wouldn't get within shouting distance of 42 mpg!

 

About 1800s, I had to drive one from London to Norfolk and back once.  Very comfortable ride but the gap between the seat and the door, and between the two front seats made me feel very vulnerable to falling off the seat going round corners, especially as there was no 'bucket' style to the seat, just a flat perch without side support.


Edited by BRG, 30 March 2020 - 13:07.


#808 Lee Nicolle

Lee Nicolle
  • Member

  • 11,069 posts
  • Joined: July 08

Posted 06 April 2020 - 01:44

Nope.  I bought a Cooper S back in August and it has a 2 litre turbo motor, the same one that the smaller BMWs use.  It makes up to 190bhp, so it is quite lively and reasonably economical - I am getting just over 42mpg overall.

 

As for size, I parked next to a 'real' Cooper S last year and the size difference was frankly ludicrous.  Especially as you can't really fit four adults in the car unless two of them are amputees  but I had four adults in reasonable comfort in my original Cooper S 970cc back in the 1970s, although that wouldn't get within shouting distance of 42 mpg!

 

About 1800s, I had to drive one from London to Norfolk and back once.  Very comfortable ride but the gap between the seat and the door, and between the two front seats made me feel very vulnerable to falling off the seat going round corners, especially as there was no 'bucket' style to the seat, just a flat perch without side support.

Renamed cars after classics are all bigger and fatter. The so called Mini is bigger than a Landcrab. The Beetle a little bigger but a front drive waterpumper as VW people call them.

Camaro, Challenger and Mustangs when parked around the originals are huge. A Mustang is near as big,, and heavy as my Galaxie!



#809 Lee Nicolle

Lee Nicolle
  • Member

  • 11,069 posts
  • Joined: July 08

Posted 06 April 2020 - 01:56

I would say there are a few still about...

 

I've seen them lying around in derelict condition, or maybe a little better than that. Somebody somewhere would love one.

Reading local media, the National Motor Museum has started to restore a very tatty convertible. The article says one of twenty?

The Wikipedia says that numbers were very few. Mostly it seems assembled from imported parts and panels. Read the article it is interesting and reinforces my comments from the other day.

I suspect that more Goggomobiles and defenitly Zetas were made and sold. So a true lemon of the industry.


Edited by Lee Nicolle, 07 April 2020 - 08:02.


#810 BRG

BRG
  • Member

  • 25,950 posts
  • Joined: September 99

Posted 06 April 2020 - 14:45

Renamed cars after classics are all bigger and fatter. The so called Mini is bigger than a Landcrab. The Beetle a little bigger but a front drive waterpumper as VW people call them.

Camaro, Challenger and Mustangs when parked around the originals are huge. A Mustang is near as big,, and heavy as my Galaxie!

It seems to be standard motor industry practice.  Every new iteration of a model is bigger (and sometimes, but not always) better.  A given model seems to migrate up the scale and the makers then have to introduce a new smaller model to fill the gap.  



#811 Ray Bell

Ray Bell
  • Member

  • 80,259 posts
  • Joined: December 99

Posted 06 April 2020 - 22:56

Indeed...

 

 

Below the Corolla we've come to have a host of cars, from the 700 to the Echo, Yaris and more.



#812 Lee Nicolle

Lee Nicolle
  • Member

  • 11,069 posts
  • Joined: July 08

Posted 07 April 2020 - 08:08

That clip is a bit worn out,,as it wows and wirrs.

And yes I am old enough to remember it!

And enough about Coronas!!



#813 Ray Bell

Ray Bell
  • Member

  • 80,259 posts
  • Joined: December 99

Posted 07 April 2020 - 11:30

Actually, Lee, I was hoping to find a later version...

 

It went through the Corolla, Corona, then the Cressida and finally the Crown 'Royal Saloon'. And in colour.