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#1 vintageautomobilia

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Posted 01 October 2006 - 21:59

Who can give a history of Jean Trevoux? Born and died when? I know he raced as early as 1932 and that he also raced in all four of the Carrera Panamericana races. The cars he drove included Bentley, Hotchkiss, Talbot-Lago, Delahaye, and Packard. Several of the cars he raced had Motto bodies, and he evidently emigrated to Mexico where he owned a restaurant. Can anyone fill in the details?

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#2 Tim Murray

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Posted 01 October 2006 - 22:47

He won the Monte Carlo Rally four times (1934, 1939, 1949, 1951). He competed in the Le Mans 24 Hours in 1932 - 39 and 1949.

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Posted 01 October 2006 - 23:50

I know he drove a "Blower" Bentley in the 1932 24 Hours of LeMans, but I can't believe this was his first race! He also finished 6th overall in the 1954 Mexican road race (Carrera Panamericana) in his Motto bodied Packard Special (which looked like a "stock" 1953 Packard but was actually aluminum bodied and was no taller than Carroll Shelby's Austin Healey 100S race car). That is a racing career that spans at least 22 years! Was this Trevoux's last race?

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 09:22

Some results from "French Sports Car Revolution" by Anthony Blight:

1934: 1st in Paris-Nice Rally (Hotchkiss)
2nd (with Maurice Vasselle) in Spa 10 Hours (3.5 Hotchkiss)
2nd in Algerian GP de Tourisme (Hotchkiss)

1935: 1st in Paris-Nice Rally (Hotchkiss)
7th (with René Carrière) at Le Mans (Riley)
1st in 3.0 litre class in GP de La Marne (Bugatti T44)

1937: 1st in Moroccan Rally (Hotchkiss)
3rd in Paris-Nice Rally (Hotchkiss)

1938: 3rd in Paris-Nice Rally (Hotchkiss)

Tim failed to mention that the 1939 Monte win was actually a tie with Joseph Paul :)

Trévoux appears to have been a works Hotchkiss rally and touring car driver throughout the 1930s, although he also raced for other private teams like Ecurie Francia - in 1939 he and Joseph Paul led the early hours at Le Mans in the Francia Delahaye 135CS before eventually retiring.

#5 Marc Ceulemans

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 22:52

Jean Trévoux


1932, Criterium Paris - Nice
1- Jean Trevoux, Bugatti n°50


1933, Rallye de Monte-Carlo
Gas / Jean Trévoux / François Pasquet, Hotchkiss n°53, started from Athens, Not classified in the "top 42".


1933, Criterium Paris - Nice
1- Jacques Dupuy, Bugatti 2300 cc n°52 (Class 3 litre), 1945 points
2- Mary, Ballot (Class 2 litre), 1981 points
3- Guérin, Panhard-Levassor 14 CV, 2010 points
4- de Gunzbourg, Alfa Romeo, 2115 points
5- Carrière, Alfa Romeo, 2145 points
6 (1st Class 3 - 5 litre)- Jean Trévoux, Hotchkiss, 2155 points
...


1933, 1 - 2 July, 24 Heures de Belgique, Spa-Francorchamps
DNA- Jean Trévoux / Louis Gas, Bentley C "Blower" HR3976 n°96


1934, 24 - 29 March, Criterium International de Tourisme Paris - Nice
1- Jean Trévoux, Hotchkiss, 1489 points
2- Guérin, Panhard, 1518 points
3- Mary, Ford, 1520 points
4- Mahé, Bugatti, 1550 points
5- Legré, Panhard, 1662 points
...


1934, GP du RACB des 10 Heures, Spa-Francorchamps
2- Jean Trévoux / Maurice Vasselle, Hotchkiss 3500 cc n°28


1934, 27 October, GP de Tourisme d'Alger
1- Perrot, Delahaye
2- Jean Trévoux, Hotchkiss


1935, 13 - 18 April, Criterium Paris - Nice, 13rd edition
13/4: Paris-Marseille
14/4: short speed events @ Marseille
15/4: Marseille-Nice
18/4: La Turbie (hillclimb)

Results
1- Gaston Descollas, Bugatti n°68, Class C (3 - 5 L), 1553 points.
2- Jean Trévoux, Hotchkiss n°78, Class C (3 - 5 L), 1589 points.
3- Pouderoux, Citroën n°31, Class E (1.5 - 2 L), 1607 points
4- Lucy Schell, Delahaye n°64, Class C (3 - 5 L), 1655 points
5- Norbert Jean Mahé, Bugatti n°62, Class C (3 - 5 L).
...


1935, 7 July, GP de Tourisme de la Marne
Trévoux was 2nd and 1st in 3.0 litre class

Results
1- Albert Perrot, Delahaye 135 n°9 (Class + 3 L), 1h 29m 22s
2- Jean Trévoux, Bugatti T44 n°8 (Class 3 L)
3-"Michel Paris", Delahaye 18CV Sport 9782RJ6 n°12 (+ 3 L)
4- Norbert Jean Mahé, Bugatti T44 n°7 (2 - 3 L)
5- Jean Desvignes, Bugatti T44 n°6 (2 - 3 L)
6- Madame Lucy Schell, Delahaye 135 n°11 (+ 3 L)
7- Madame Germaine Rouault, Delahaye 135 n°14 (+ 3 L)
8- Amédée Gordini, Fiat 6 CV n°4 (1.1 - 1.5 L)
9- Madame Itier, Fiat 6 CV n°5 (1.1 - 1.5 L)
10- Mademoiselle Pierrette Dax, Singer n°1 (1.1 - 1.5 L)

Coming back to Paris after the race, Jean Desvignes had a fatal crash in a road accident.


1936, 28 June, ACF GP at Montlhéry
Trévoux finished 14th and 1st in 2.0 litre class with Mc Clure in the Riley TT Sprite (MPH) 44T-2407 AVC15 n°22, car entered by Trevoux.


1937, 4 July, Coupe de la Commission Sportive, Montlhéry
Trévoux, Riley TT Sprite n°62, DNA.


1937, 30 July - 6 August, Criterium Paris - Nice
1- Paul, Delahaye 135 n°16, 1289 points
2- Pouderoux, Delahaye 135 n°14, 1338 points
3- Trévoux, Hotchkiss Grand Sport, 1340 points
4- Le Bègue, Talbot SS 4 L n°11, 1386 points
5- Savoye, Singer Le Mans n°71, 1387 points
...


1937, 7 August, Coupe du Prince Rainier (Monte-Carlo track)
1- Schell, Delahaye 135 CS 47193
2- Paul, Delahaye 135
3- Gérard, Delage Figoni Coupé
4- Pouderoux, Delahaye
5- Gordini, Simca Fiat Ballila
6- Madame Rouault, Delahaye 135
7- Trévoux, Hotchkiss Grand Sport
...


1938, Rallye de Monte-Carlo
2nd- Trévoux, Hotchkiss, started from Athens, 779.7 points


1938, 9 July, 24 Heures de Belgique, Spa-Francorchamps
DNF- "Levegh" / Trévoux, Talbot T150C n°16


1938, 11 September, 12 Heures de Paris, Montlhéry
DNF- Trévoux / "Matra", Delahaye 135 CS n°6


1939, Rallye de Monte-Carlo
1 (tied)- Jean Trévoux / Lesurque, Hotchkiss 3485 cc, Started from Athens, 843.2 points
1 (tied)- Joseph Paul / Marcel Contet, Delahaye 135 3557 cc, started from Athens, 843.2 points


1939, 10 - 13 April, Criterium Paris - Nice
DNF (crash in La Turbie, on practice)- Trévoux, Hotchkiss 3485 cc.


1939, 6 May, Lapize hillclimb (Montlhéry), Speed event included in the Rallye Olazur
4- Jean Trévoux, Hotchkiss n°5, 845 points


Those records don't included the 24-Hours of le Mans...
to be continued ?

#6 alessandro silva

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Posted 03 October 2006 - 11:10

Jean Trevoux remained in America after the 1941 Talbot/Schell/ Chinetti expedition to Indianapolis. At the end of WWII he wound up in Mexico. After he hopped back and forth the Atlantic retaining his position as head tester at Hotchkiss. He then married a Mexican woman and opened a restaurant in Mexico City.

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Posted 03 October 2006 - 12:07

Just a small snippet:
I've noted for myself that he died in 1981.
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#8 Haine Kane

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Posted 03 October 2006 - 20:19

I've got the informations about Jean TREVOUX.

Jean Claudius Marie TREVOUX was born 27 february 1905 at Le Petit Quevilly (near Rouen) and he was dead in Mexico City the 29 october 1981 at the age of 76.

I find these informations after a letter to the major of this city (Mr Laurent FABIUS ex prime-minister in France during the 90') and I've recieve the birth certificate.

I try to achieve a dictionary about ALL the drivers who have made the LE MANS race, and I've got many birth and death dates and places about these drivers.

If you have some informations about a driver (not for the recents, but the oldest) I'm very happy to receive theses infos.

Thanks a lot and :blush: for my english

HK

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 12:48

Originally posted by Haine Kane
I try to achieve a dictionary about ALL the drivers who have made the LE MANS race, and I've got many birth and death dates and places about these drivers.

Welcome to TNF, Haine!

In the lamentable absence of Jimmy Piget you may be heaven-sent.
I’d like to point you to this thread where your help is desperately needed.

Then there’s the „Happy Birthday“ thread which contains twelve lists of motor racing people’s birth dates.
You will find links to these lists here (at the bottom of post # 778).

If you have birth dates of people who are NOT in these lists I would be grateful if you would show them to me/us.

#10 Haine Kane

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 21:43

I'm very sorry but 2 TNF members have mail me but I forgotten who ?

Dear member can you re-mail me please ?

It's my fist mistake in this forum and I'm very :blush: :blush: :blush:

#11 vintageautomobilia

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Posted 06 October 2006 - 00:17

Thank you everybody for the information about Jean Trevoux. Had I known he was in Mexico City as late as 1981, I would have tried to talk to him about his connection with Carrozzeria Rocco Motto. My Motto-Cisitalia (which I bought in 1973) had to have been in Motto's premises when Motto was building Trevoux's Packard Special.

I believe Jean Trevoux's restaurant & bar in Mexico City was named "La Cucaral Via". I don't have access to a Spanish/English dictionary so I don't know what this translates to. Hopefully one of our Spanish members can tell me. Also, can anyone tell me if the restaurant still exists?

I have all the finish positions for Trevoux in the Carrera Panamericana, except for 1953. He was in all five races 1950 - 1954. Trevoux drove the Motto bodied Packard Special in the 1953 race - can anyone tell me his finish position, or if he was a DNF?

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Posted 06 October 2006 - 05:59

Peter-
I think the restaurant was called "Restaurant Bar La Cucaracha". That was painted on the side of his Packard along with a cockroach with, IIRC, a top hat, monocle, cane and tails. I have some photos around somewhere showing the Halibrand mag wheels, Siata style seats, Nardi steering wheel and Packard instruments. The grille and other chrome was painted on like a funny car and it appears to be about 8/10ths of the size of a "real" Packard. I believe Howard Johansen built the motor.
If I can find the pics I'll post 'em.
Anton

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Posted 06 October 2006 - 12:16

I have some records before 1932 but I have a little problem. I've found that Trévoux took part in some races in 1929, 1930 and 1931 with a Bugatti. In his book ARCHIVES D'UNE PASSION, Antoine Raffaëlli said that François Trévoux, living at Petit-Quevilly, n°139 Avenue Jean Jaurès, registered the Bugatti T35 T # 4761 on the date of the 5 June 1929. So why François and not Jean ? In 1929, Jean Trévoux was already 24 year old. Was François his father or his brother ? Or did Antoine Raffaelli a mistake ?

According Paul Sheldon Trévoux took part in the 1929 Dieppe GP on July 7. Result unknown (DNF or DNA).

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Posted 06 October 2006 - 12:58

Originally posted by Marc Ceulemans
I have some records before 1932 but I have a little problem. I've found that Trévoux took part in some races in 1929, 1930 and 1931 with a Bugatti. In his book ARCHIVES D'UNE PASSION, Antoine Raffaëlli said that François Trévoux, living at Petit-Quevilly, n°139 Avenue Jean Jaurès, registered the Bugatti T35 T # 4761 on the date of the 5 June 1929. So why François and not Jean ? In 1929, Jean Trévoux was already 24 year old. Was François his father or his brother ? Or did Antoine Raffaelli a mistake ?

According Paul Sheldon Trévoux took part in the 1929 Dieppe GP on July 7. Result unknown (DNF or DNA).


It's a mystery for me ...
I've got the certificate of Jean TREVOUX and his father name was Laurent Emile TREVOUX.
No trace about François ...

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Posted 06 October 2006 - 14:32

Are you deliberately calling him Trevoux and not Trévoux?

#16 Haine Kane

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Posted 06 October 2006 - 14:49

Trévoux is the correct write but TREVOUX is correct too

#17 Marc Ceulemans

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Posted 06 October 2006 - 22:36

Before 1932 (bonus):

1930, 17 - 23 March, Criterium Paris - Nice, Delage #32, 4373 points.
1931, March, Criterium international Paris - Nice, Bugatti, 3rd and 1st in Class D (2 - 3 litre), 3758 points.
1931, 10 May, GP de Picardie at Peronne, Bugatti #58, 13th and 4th in Class C (3 - 5 litre).

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Posted 06 October 2006 - 23:51

Originally posted by David McKinney
Are you deliberately calling him Trevoux and not Trévoux?


David,
To tell you the truth, I don't know how to access an accent mark on my keyboard, so I type it as Trevoux - sorry.

Anton,
I feel foolish. You are undoubtably correct. The picture of the Motto-Packard Special in the 1953 race shows it painted a dark color (unlike in the 1954 race when it was a light color with a dark top) and from the angle my photo was taken I can see the figure you mention, but the end of the word "Cucaracha" is very hard to make out. I would love to see the photos you have. You can email them to me if that's easier: vintageautomobilia@thegrid.net.

In the 1954 race, there's a photo of Trevoux's Motto-Packard parked in a line, in front of Carroll Shelby's Austin Healey 100S and the Packard Special is not much taller (if at all) than the A-H 100S!

Jean trevoux did race Bugatti's, so perhaps Jean and Francois are the same person. It would not be the first time there was a mistake in a book. I've seen the famous french sculptor, F. Bazin, who did the Hispano Suiza stork, variously named Francois and Frederic in different books. Jean Trevoux must have come from a fairly well-to-do family to get such "high class" rides at such an early age.

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Posted 07 October 2006 - 00:23

Originally posted by vintageautomobilia


David,
To tell you the truth, I don't know how to access an accent mark on my keyboard, so I type it as Trevoux - sorry.

I think David's question was aimed at Haine as he'd typed the name in capitals, but if you're using Windows 98 it's Ctrl+Alt+e :)

Or just access Run from your start menu and type charmap - then copy/paste whatever you require.

:)

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Posted 07 October 2006 - 09:45

Originally posted by ReWind
Welcome to TNF, Haine!

In the lamentable absence of Jimmy Piget you may be heaven-sent.

Welcome indeed Haine !
What's wrong with Jimmy ? Last news I had months ago he was heading towards Palestine... Nothing wrong I hope ??

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Posted 08 October 2006 - 19:33

Originally posted by vintageautomobilia

I have all the finish positions for Trevoux in the Carrera Panamericana, except for 1953. He was in all five races 1950 - 1954. Trevoux drove the Motto bodied Packard Special in the 1953 race - can anyone tell me his finish position, or if he was a DNF?


Did Trevoux finish the 1953 Carrera Panamericana? If so, what was his finish position? If not, does anyone know why?

Was the 1954 Carrera Panamericana Trevoux's last race? If not, where and when?

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Posted 08 October 2006 - 20:47

Peter-
In Adriano Cimarosti's book on the Carrera he mentions that Trevoux had a problem with a sticking valve on the first(I think) leg and he is not mentioned after that and not listed as a finisher.
Maybe he had cockroach problems.
Anton

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Posted 10 October 2006 - 22:16

Thanks Anton.

Was the 1954 Mexican Road Race Trevoux's last race? He would have been only 49 years old then and I would think with his past record he would have continued racing for several more years.

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Posted 10 October 2006 - 22:54

It is not. After the '54 Carrera Trévoux wanted to import Renaults to Mexico and made a one-off return to racing in 1957 at a Grand Prix d'Avandaro (about which I know nothing) finishing second in class driving a Renault Dauphine. This was done for promotional purposes, but, after he opened his import outfit called Autos Francia, he switched to the import of Peugeots.

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Posted 17 November 2007 - 03:17

Tre'voux's Motto bodied Packard was a DNF in the 1953 Carrera, and took 13th overall in the 1954 race.

In 1953 a Packard Mayfair, driven by Ehlinger (US) and Solorio (MEX) took 18th O/A

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Posted 17 November 2007 - 06:51

Surely Ehlinger was Mexican?

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 01:18

Originally posted by dretceterini
Tre'voux's Motto bodied Packard was a DNF in the 1953 Carrera, and took 13th overall in the 1954 race.

In 1953 a Packard Mayfair, driven by Ehlinger (US) and Solorio (MEX) took 18th O/A



I really don't know, but what I have says he was American.

BTW, anyone have photos of the Packard (race #9) from the 1953 or 1954 Carrera?

#28 antonvrs

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 02:03

I do have some pictures- I just have to find them.
Anton

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 04:18

The record of Jean Trevoux in the Panamericana races_

1950
Jean Trevoux / André Mariotti (Fra/Fra)
Delahaye 175S 1950 N° 19
Pos. Final: 9 gral. Categoria Turismo.

1951
Jean Trevoux / Marcel Lesurque (Fra/Fra)
Packard Patrician N° 48
Pos. final: 5 gral, 3 en su categoria (Turismo)

1952
Jean Trevoux (Fra)
Packard Patrician N° 106
Pos. Final: 15 gral. 9 en su categoria (Turismo)

1953
Jean Trevoux/Jean Bachereux (Fra/Fra)
Packard Motto Special N° 9
Pos. Final; No termino Categoria (Sport 1600)

1954
Jean Trevoux/Armando González (Fra/Mex)
Packard Motto Special N° 9
Pos. Final: 13 gral. 6 categoria (Sport 1500)

Only I have this pics of 1950
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©Revista Automundo (México)


Saludos


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Posted 28 November 2007 - 06:23

If I remember correctly, the Delahaye was also bodied by Motto..

Thanks for the photos...

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Posted 01 December 2007 - 00:41

Originally posted by Tim Murray
He won the Monte Carlo Rally four times (1934, 1939, 1949, 1951). He competed in the Le Mans 24 Hours in 1932 - 39 and 1949.


Yes, the Delahaye in the 1950 Carrera Panamericana was bodied by Carrozzeria Rocco Motto, as were the Delahayes that Trevoux drove to victory in the 1949 and 1951 Monte Carlo Rally.

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Posted 01 December 2007 - 01:49

Do you have a photo of the 1949 Monte Carlo Motto bodied car, or is it the same car he won with in 1951?

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Posted 01 December 2007 - 09:28

He won the 1949 Monte in a Hotchkiss.

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Posted 01 December 2007 - 14:40

Originally posted by Tim Murray
He won the 1949 Monte in a Hotchkiss.



Oops, our mistake...blame Peter on this one :p

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Posted 01 December 2007 - 17:47

In his book "Louis Rosier, Une Vie Extraordinaire", Pascal Legrand says this of Rosier's participation in the 1953 Carrera Panamericana:

"...La participation à cette course lointaine a été rendue possible grâce au travail efficace de Jean Trévoux, un Français installé au Mexique désireux de voir des voitures de son pays d'origine s'illustrer dans cette course..."

which I believes tranlates into English as follows:

"...The participation in this remote race was made possible thanks to the effective work of Jean Trévoux, a Frenchman 'installed' in Mexico eager to see cars of his country of origin shine (?) in this race..."

Please feel free to correct my translation (sorry, my French is not that good). By the way, I enjoy seeing posts from people from non-English speaking countries...you do very well and contribute a lot!

Vince Howlett, Victoria, B.C., Canada

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Posted 02 December 2007 - 01:03

Originally posted by raceannouncer2003
In his book "Louis Rosier, Une Vie Extraordinaire", Pascal Legrand says this of Rosier's participation in the 1953 Carrera Panamericana:

"...La participation à cette course lointaine a été rendue possible grâce au travail efficace de Jean Trévoux, un Français installé au Mexique désireux de voir des voitures de son pays d'origine s'illustrer dans cette course..."

which I believes tranlates into English as follows:

"...The participation in this remote race was made possible thanks to the effective work of Jean Trévoux, a Frenchman 'installed' in Mexico eager to see cars of his country of origin shine (?) in this race..."

Please feel free to correct my translation (sorry, my French is not that good). By the way, I enjoy seeing posts from people from non-English speaking countries...you do very well and contribute a lot!

Vince Howlett, Victoria, B.C., Canada



In 1953 Rosier finished 5th in car #6, a Lago-Talbot sports-racer.

Trevoux and Bachereaux were a DNF in the Motto bodied Packard special 2 door "sedan".



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Posted 10 December 2007 - 04:23

Trevoux's Packard-
I've found 4 photos of Trevoux's Motto bodied Packard but I need somebody to post them for me. HELP!
Anton

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Posted 10 December 2007 - 05:29

Anton,
Send me in my email, I'll post for you

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Posted 10 December 2007 - 05:58

Done. Thank you.
Anton

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#40 Gerard Gamand

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Posted 10 December 2007 - 06:21

Imossible to open the pics.

Try in an other way ?

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Posted 11 December 2007 - 00:34

Originally posted by antonvrs
Trevoux's Packard-
I've found 4 photos of Trevoux's Motto bodied Packard but I need somebody to post them for me. HELP!
Anton



Send them to me, preferably in JPEG format...

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Posted 12 December 2007 - 22:45

Originally posted by dretceterini



Oops, our mistake...blame Peter on this one :p



I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken! :lol:

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Posted 13 December 2007 - 03:39

Links to 4 different photos of the Trevoux Motto bodied Packard, courtesy of Anton Kravanek:


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The car appears to be a 3/4 to 7/8 scale "replica" of a 1953 Packard Clipper with a modified nose, but in aluminum, built by Motto in Italy. I don't know they got away with it running in a "production" class.

Here is what the "standard" 1953 Packard Clipper 2-door looks like:

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The engine was also modified, and has 4 x 1bbl downdraft carbs. Transmission appears to be 3 speed column shift stick. Bench seat was removed and replaced by racing bucket seats. Dashboard shows a tach and additional instruments added.


Still need a few more photos (such as one of the rear of the car, and one better showing the signage on the car) to make a model of it....




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Posted 13 December 2007 - 22:54

I like the woodrim Nardi steering wheel! :love:

I believe there are photos of this car from the rear and side in one of the Carrera Panamericana books.

Also, I think this car had a tube chassis. Interestingly, the car has what appears to be a stock Packard dashboard with extra instruments. I wonder if it was a "dummy"?

I would make room in my garage for this! :up:

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Posted 14 December 2007 - 02:45

Link to another picture from Tony:

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Posted 16 December 2007 - 16:28

Originally posted by vintageautomobilia
I like the woodrim Nardi steering wheel! :love:

I believe there are photos of this car from the rear and side in one of the Carrera Panamericana books.

Also, I think this car had a tube chassis. Interestingly, the car has what appears to be a stock Packard dashboard with extra instruments. I wonder if it was a "dummy"?

I would make room in my garage for this! :up:



Although it is certainly possible that the Packard had a tube chassis, like the Motto bodied Alfa 6c2500 Mille Miglia cars, I haven't seen any evidence of this. Where did that thought come from? Have you seen anything in print that said this?


The pictures Tony sent me seem to be from 1953. I have found another small picture, and it is dated 1954. The paint sceheme is different!

Here is a link to a photo of the car from 1954:

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Posted 17 December 2007 - 17:09

Just found out something interesting about the Trevoux Packard. I thought it ran in the production car class, but it actually ran in the big sportscar class!

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Posted 17 December 2007 - 23:31

I've noted that Trévoux won a 80 km race at Chapultepec near Mexico in 1951, June 10th. The car was a Tatraplan and he finished the race in 42m 41s 2/5, 112.341 km/h. The source = Les Sports.

It is mentioned briefly in that website http://www.jsolana.com.mx/histmex.html

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Posted 18 December 2007 - 03:52

I'd love to see a picture of that Tatra!
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#50 vintageautomobilia

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Posted 21 December 2007 - 21:02

Originally posted by dretceterini



Although it is certainly possible that the Packard had a tube chassis, like the Motto bodied Alfa 6c2500 Mille Miglia cars, I haven't seen any evidence of this. Where did that thought come from? Have you seen anything in print that said this?



I'm sure that it had a tube frame, but I can't prove it with a definative reference. Can you imagine building a light weight aluminum bodied race car as a 2/3 or 4/5 replica of a Packard, but still using a stock Packard frame? And then shipping that great hulking lump of metal to Italy for Rocco Motto to body it?