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#1 jrally

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Posted 08 October 2006 - 17:07

I would like to know i f someone could help me with those drivers profiles :

I am looking for : Place and date of birth, year of first rally and first car used of the following drivers :

Carl-Magnus Skogh (Sweden)
Gunnar Andersson (Sweden)
Bengt Soderstrom (Sweden) (I have that he was born in Radgard)
Reinhard Hainbach (Germany)
Branislav Kuzmic (former Yougoslavia)
Helmut Polensky (Germany)
Donald Morley (Great-Britain)
Klaus Russling (Austria)
Erwin Doctor (Netherlands)
Carsten Johansson (Sweden)
Bernd Jansson (Sweden)
Arne Ingier (Norway)
Paul Coltelloni (France)
Roger Delageneste (France)
Gunter Janger (Austria)
Claude Haldi (Switzerland)
Andrzej Jaroszewicz (Poland)
Walter Smolej (Austria)
Ian Appleyard (Great-Britain)

For the moment, those are enough !
Any help will be wellcome !

Thanks in advance
Best regards
jrally

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#2 ReWind

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Posted 08 October 2006 - 17:35

That's what I have:
Gunnar Andersson, b. 1927 Ragard
Ian Appleyard, b. 10 Oct 1923 Leeds, Yorkshire, d. 02 Jun 1998
Paul Coltelloni, b. 1920, d. Jul 1999 Paris
Reinhard Hainbach, b. 30 Dec 1948 presumably Schweinfurt
Claude Haldi, b. 28 Nov 1942 Lausanne, Vaud
Arne Ingier, b. 08 Jul 1926
Günther Janger, b. 1942
Berndt Jansson, b. 1931
Carsten Johansson, b. 18 Nov 1922
Roger de Lageneste, b. 1929 Geneva (Switzerland)
Donald Morley, b. 1931
Helmut Polensky, b. 10 Oct 1915
Walter Smolej, b. 27 Dec 1950
Bengt Söderström, b. 10 Nov 1931, d. 24 Aug 2002
Carl-Magnus Skogh, b. 1925

#3 Haine Kane

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Posted 08 October 2006 - 18:51

Just a precision about Roger de LAGENESTE born 30 december 1929 in Geneva (Switzerland)

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Posted 08 October 2006 - 20:01

Bengt Soderstrom born in Osthammar 21 november 1931. His first rally 1957 in a Volkswagen

Carl Magnus Skogh born in Vargarda 10 december 1925. His first rally 1954 not in a SAAB. I search for the car.

Bernd Jansson born in Grodinge 16 mars 1931. His first rally 1954 in a Opel Kadett


You also serach for a swedish drive whose name is Carsten Johansspon. I have never heard of him. Is he swedish

#5 jrally

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Posted 08 October 2006 - 20:51

Thank You very much, ReWind, Haine Kane and pingst !

Carsten Johansson could be Norwegian. He won Rally Viking in Norway !
Could I ask You, pingst, if you have any informations about these swedish drivers ?

Sture Norrorp
Carl-Gunnar Hammarlund
Allan Borgefors
Harry Bengtsson
Gunnar Andersson
Gunnar Calbo
Hans Lund
Lars Carlsson
Gunnar Pettersson
Thorbjorn Edling
Thomas Abrahamsson
Eddie Horbing

Thanks in advance
best regards
jrally

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Posted 08 October 2006 - 20:53

Jorge,

Ian Appleyard's first rally was in 1947.

Carles.

#7 jarama

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Posted 08 October 2006 - 21:04

Originally posted by pingst



You also serach for a swedish drive whose name is Carsten Johansspon. I have never heard of him. Is he swedish



pingst,


main results of Carsten Johansson in international rallying:

'53 Midnattssolen, C.J. / ?, ?, 8th in Class (Standard Touring, Up to 11500cc)
'53 Viking, C.J. / Gunnar Jensen, Ford Zephyr, 1st o/a
'54 Monte-Carlo, C.J. / Gunnar Jensen, Renault 4CV, 4th o/a
'54 Viking, C.J. / Gunnar Jensen, Ford V8 Mainline, 1st o/a
'55 Midanttssolen, C.J. / Gunnar Jensen, Ford Customline, 19th o/a
'58 Monte-Carlo, Walter Löffler / C.J., Volvo PV 444, 4th o/a
'59 Viking, C.J. / Helge Mikelsen, VW Beetle 1200, 8th o/a


Carles.

#8 rx-guru

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Posted 08 October 2006 - 21:04

Arne Ingier (Norway), * 08.07.1926 at Aurskog (N), brother of Rally/Racing driver Hans Ingier (* 21.04.1919 at Aurskog/N), start motor sport 1953 as co-driver of Lars Askerud, 1954 first year as Rally driver with VW Beetle, 1955 one of three Norwegian Škoda 440 Octavia factory drivers (the other two were Hans Ingier and Carsten A. Johansson).
Carsten A. Johansson (Norway), * 18.11.1922, † 02.08.1990, first year and car?, oldest info I've got: 1953 Monte Carlo Rally with co-driver Hans Ingier in VW Beetle.

#9 pingst

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Posted 08 October 2006 - 21:18

Originally posted by jrally
Thank You very much, ReWind, Haine Kane and pingst !


Carsten Johansson could be Norwegian. He won Rally Viking in Norway !
Could I ask You, pingst, if you have any informations about these swedish drivers ?

Sture Norrorp
Carl-Gunnar Hammarlund
Allan Borgefors
Harry Bengtsson
Gunnar Andersson
Gunnar Calbo
Hans Lund
Lars Carlsson
Gunnar Pettersson
Thorbjorn Edling
Thomas Abrahamsson
Eddie Horbing

Thanks in advance
best regards
jrally


Harry Bengtsson born in Nacka(near Stockholm) in 18 april 1928. First rally 1950 in a Chevrolet.
Alan Borgefors born in Valbo 14 july 1915 anf his first rally 1949
Sture Norrorp must me Sture Nottorp.
I will came back with more information about the rest as soon as find anything

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Posted 08 October 2006 - 21:23

Carsten Johansson was from norway and born 18 november 1922 and died 2 agust 1980

#11 Haine Kane

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Posted 08 October 2006 - 21:25

I've got a question :

Is Harry BENGTSSON is the same man who called Gunnar in LE MANS race in 1959 drove a SAAB with Sture NOTTORP ?

#12 rx-guru

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Posted 08 October 2006 - 21:35

I know and remember Gunnar Andersson (a double European Rally champion) as managing director of Volvo R-Sport (R = Rallycross, Rallying and Racing), the Volvo factory team for which Per-Inge Walfridsson (father of Pernilla Walfridsson and father-in-law of Petter Solberg) won the 1980 FIA European Championship for Rallycross drivers.

#13 jrally

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Posted 08 October 2006 - 21:41

Originally posted by rx-guru
Arne Ingier (Norway), * 08.07.1926 at Aurskog (N), brother of Rally/Racing driver Hans Ingier (* 21.04.1919 at Aurskog/N), start motor sport 1953 as co-driver of Lars Askerud, 1954 first year as Rally driver with VW Beetle, 1955 one of three Norwegian Škoda 440 Octavia factory drivers (the other two were Hans Ingier and Carsten A. Johansson).
Carsten A. Johansson (Norway), * 18.11.1922, † 02.08.1990, first year and car?, oldest info I've got: 1953 Monte Carlo Rally with co-driver Hans Ingier in VW Beetle.


Thank You very much, rx-guru !

Could I ask You also if You know the year of first rally and first car driven by Hans Ingier ?

And, by any chance, do You have some data about these norwegian drivers :

Per Malling, Lars Egeberg Jr and Nils-Fredrik Groendal ?

Thanks once more
best regards
jrally

#14 jrally

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Posted 08 October 2006 - 21:43

Originally posted by jarama
Jorge,

Ian Appleyard's first rally was in 1947.

Carles.


Thanks Carles !

Do you know in what year started in rallyes, Juan Fernandez ?

And any data concerning Pio Alonso and Eduardo Balcazar ?

Thanks in advance
jorge

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Posted 08 October 2006 - 21:45

Originally posted by pingst


Harry Bengtsson born in Nacka(near Stockholm) in 18 april 1928. First rally 1950 in a Chevrolet.
Alan Borgefors born in Valbo 14 july 1915 anf his first rally 1949
Sture Norrorp must me Sture Nottorp.
I will came back with more information about the rest as soon as find anything


Thanks pingst once more !

Of course is Sture Nottorp !

Best regards
jorge

#16 rx-guru

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Posted 08 October 2006 - 22:35

Originally posted by jrally


Thank You very much, rx-guru !

Could I ask You also if You know the year of first rally and first car driven by Hans Ingier ?

And, by any chance, do You have some data about these norwegian drivers :

Per Malling, Lars Egeberg Jr and Nils-Fredrik Groendal ?

Thanks once more
best regards
jrally


Hans Ingier, debut in 1949, possibly with Volvo

Per Malling, * 21.05.1914, † 12.04.1979, debut?, car?
Winner of 1955 Monte Carlo Rally together with Gunnar Fadum, * 13.06.1918 at Oslo.
The car was owned by Malling, he had been entered as driver, but "co-driver" Fadum drove it to victory.

#17 rx-guru

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Posted 08 October 2006 - 23:09

Only information found on:

Lars Egeberg jr./Amund Bøhle (Peugeot 203), winner of 1955 Rally Viking
Nils-Fredrik Grøndal/Torbjørn Berntsen (Volvo), winner of 1957 Rally Viking

#18 jrally

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Posted 09 October 2006 - 12:49

Thanks a lot, rx-guru for your help !

Best regards from Portugal
jorge

#19 pingst

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Posted 09 October 2006 - 16:16

Originally posted by Haine Kane
I've got a question :

Is Harry BENGTSSON is the same man who called Gunnar in LE MANS race in 1959 drove a SAAB with Sture NOTTORP ?



Gunnar Bengtsson is not the same. He was also a good rallydriver and won the swedish rally 1951 in a Lago. He died some years ago. Sture Nottorp who drive Le Mans together with him was also a good rallydriver and won the swedish rally 1953 the year before he made his first Le Mans

Harry Bengtsson won the swedish rally 1956 and as long as I know he was mostly a rallydriver. He is still active and I saw him this summer in a historic rally driving a Porsche

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Posted 09 October 2006 - 19:18

Ian Appleyard's international debut was in the 1947 International Alpine Trial driving a 1938 SS Jaguar 100

Paul Skilleter says that he had driven the car in one local event prior to the 'Alpine' but does not say definitively that that was his first rally.

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Posted 09 October 2006 - 20:24

Originally posted by jrally
Carl-Gunnar Hammarlund

Ce-Ge died recently in September. I had his birthday as 20 May 1921 in Malmö but following his death I also read 07 Dec 1920. :confused:

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Posted 09 October 2006 - 20:52

Jorge,


Donald Morley, b.1931 (Suffolk), d.2006, first rally 1952 (Felixstowe Rally, class? o/a? victory, Austin A90 Atlantic)

Ian Appleyard's first rally was the '47 Eastbourne Rally (16th o/a out of 89 starters, Jaguar SS100)


Carles.

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Posted 09 October 2006 - 20:57

I got to applaud you guys on the depth of knowledge you have, I salute you all....my knowledge tends to be confined to the '60's and '70's, but this covers all periods! :clap: :clap:

#24 jrally

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Posted 09 October 2006 - 22:10

Thank you again, pingst, ReWind, Carles and D-Type !

Just to complete does anyone knows the exact Morley's date of birthday ?

Here some others :

Olivier Gendebien (Belgium) - first rally and first car
Stefan Brugger (Switzerland) - all items
Hans-Joachim Water (Germany) - place of birth, first rally, first car
Svatopluk Kvaizar (former Checoslovaquia) - place of birth
Brian Nelson (Ireland) - all items
Manfred Hero (Germany) - place of birth, first rally, first car
Leo Pavlik (Checoslovaquia) - first rally, first car
Maurice Gatsonides (Netherlands) - place of birth, first rally, first car
Ruprecht Hopfen (Germany) - all items
Gunther Klass (Germany) - place of birth, first rally, first car
Jack Tordoff (Great Britain) - all items
Rainer Altenheimer (Germany) - all items

Thanks in advance
Best regards
jorge

#25 Haine Kane

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Posted 10 October 2006 - 09:51

Originally posted by jrally
Thank you again, pingst, ReWind, Carles and D-Type !

Just to complete does anyone knows the exact Morley's date of birthday ?

Here some others :

Olivier Gendebien (Belgium) - first rally and first car
Stefan Brugger (Switzerland) - all items
Hans-Joachim Water (Germany) - place of birth, first rally, first car
Svatopluk Kvaizar (former Checoslovaquia) - place of birth
Brian Nelson (Ireland) - all items
Manfred Hero (Germany) - place of birth, first rally, first car
Leo Pavlik (Checoslovaquia) - first rally, first car
Maurice Gatsonides (Netherlands) - place of birth, first rally, first car
Ruprecht Hopfen (Germany) - all items
Gunther Klass (Germany) - place of birth, first rally, first car
Jack Tordoff (Great Britain) - all items
Rainer Altenheimer (Germany) - all items

Thanks in advance
Best regards
jorge


Olivier GENDEBIEN : LIEGE ROME LIEGE 1952 with a JAGUAR Mark VII (from his biagraphy "4 fois vainqueur au Mans")

Maurice GATSONIDES : b-4 feb 1911 in Gombong (Indonesia) ? 1936 with an HILLMAN MINX (from the book of Frédéric REYLELLET " les TRIUMPH EN COMPETITION")

Gunther KLASS : b-25 jan 1936 in Stuttgart (Germany)

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Posted 10 October 2006 - 10:20

Now only: Andrzej Jaroszewicz, b. 6 Oct. 1946

#27 jrally

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Posted 10 October 2006 - 13:04

Thank You very much for your help, Haine Kane and anjakub !

Best regards from Portugal
jorge

#28 Lucarally

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Posted 10 October 2006 - 16:30

Olivier Gendebien born 12/1/1924 in Bruxelles, died 2/10/1998
HJ. Walter born in Wetzler ( D )

Regards Luca

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Posted 10 October 2006 - 16:36

I think we need to define 'First rally' more tightly.

I suggest that if compiling a database it would be safer to use First International Rally and then there would be no ambiguity.

Some clubs ran what were little more than treasure hunts and called them rallies. For example: I believe that Jim Clark's first competitive events were 'rallies' organised by the local Young Farmers' Club driving his father's car. These would have been very amateur events not requiring a competition licence. But his true rally debut was probably when he shared an Austin Healey in the Scottish Rally (I think that's correct but I don't have his biography to hand)

#30 Fred Gallagher

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Posted 10 October 2006 - 16:45

Originally posted by D-Type
I think we need to define 'First rally' more tightly.

I suggest that if compiling a database it would be safer to use First International Rally and then there would be no ambiguity.


I couldn't agree more! I have no idea of what was my first rally but do remember all the internationals.

Incidentally, is all this information about to appear on some great rallying website?

Fred

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Posted 10 October 2006 - 18:41

Originally posted by Fred Gallagher


Incidentally, is all this information about to appear on some great rallying website?

Fred


A lot of it is already. If you haven't got a flavour of all the records/data these guys have between them, you will be amazed!

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Posted 10 October 2006 - 19:30

Some more:

Carl Magnus Skogh
First rally: 1950
First car: A open Chevrolet from the time before the second worl war

Carl Gunnar Hammarlund
First rally: ?
First car: A Dogde borrowed from his father,

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Posted 10 October 2006 - 19:49

I am looking for :
place and date of birth , and ( eventually ) date of died :

Robert Bouchet
Marc Angelvin
Keith Ballisant
Richard Bochnicek
Francisco Romaozinho
Olle Bromark
Gerry Burgees
Ove Eriksson
John Gott
Paul Guiraud
Peter Harper
Godfrey Imhof
Claude Laurent
Martin Carstedt

Very thanks in advance
Luca

#34 Haine Kane

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Posted 10 October 2006 - 20:02

Originally posted by Lucarally
I am looking for :
place and date of birth , and ( eventually ) date of died :

Robert Bouchet
Marc Angelvin
Keith Ballisant
Richard Bochnicek
Francisco Romaozinho
Olle Bromark
Gerry Burgees
Ove Eriksson
John Gott
Paul Guiraud
Peter Harper
Godfrey Imhof
Claude Laurent
Martin Carstedt

Very thanks in advance
Luca


I suppose is for the first :

Robert BUCHET and not BOUCHET.
Keith BALLISAT and not BALLISANT

If it's all right ...

Robert BUCHET b-18 may 1922 in La Trimouille (near Poitiers / France) d-7 dec 1974 in Poitiers (killed in the road accident)

Keith BALLISAT b-20 may 1928 and d-in may 1996

Peter HARPER b-25 nov 1921 d-16 aug 2003

Claude LAURENT b-28 nov 1935 in Orléans (France) and still alive

For the others I have no informations

Sorry

#35 pingst

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Posted 10 October 2006 - 20:29

Originally posted by Lucarally
I am looking for :
place and date of birth , and ( eventually ) date of died :

Robert Bouchet
Marc Angelvin
Keith Ballisant
Richard Bochnicek
Francisco Romaozinho
Olle Bromark
Gerry Burgees
Ove Eriksson
John Gott
Paul Guiraud
Peter Harper
Godfrey Imhof
Claude Laurent
Martin Carstedt

Very thanks in advance
Luca


Olle Bromark 3 feb 1930 in Dannemora near Uppsala. Ove Andersson(Toyota) is from the same place.

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Posted 10 October 2006 - 23:04

Francisco Romãozinho - 28/03/1943

I would like to thank You all !

About 'first rally' I think better way is to consider the first rally who made part of any championship. I took this option from Martin Holmes and many times, different sources had different data. Some of them consider the real first road rally and others the first international rally.

One of these days I was searching something and noticed that for example Tony Pond, say Martin Holmes that his first rally was in a Hillman IMP in 65 but that newspaper I was reading indicates his debut in a BMC in 64.

About database, yes, a huge database , not yet finnished so... not yet published. But there are some good ones on the net, Rallybase and the other one from Jonkka.

Best regards from Portugal
jorge

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Posted 10 October 2006 - 23:36

A small resume of what is still missing :

(p) - place of birth
(d) - date of birth
(y) - year of first rally
© - first car


Sweden

Gunnar Andersson (Sweden) (d+y+c)
Sture Nottorp (Sweden) (p+d+y+c)
Carl-Gunnar Hammarlund (Sweden) (y)
Allan Borgefors (Sweden) ©
Gunnar Calbo (Sweden) (p+d+y+c)
Hans Lund (Sweden) (p+d+y+c)
Lars Carlsson (Sweden) (p+d+y+c)
Gunnar Pettersson (Sweden) (p+d+y+c)
Thorbjorn Edling (Sweden) (p+d+y+c)
Thomas Abrahamsson (Sweden) (p+d+y+c)
Eddie Horbing (Sweden) (p+d+y+c)

Germany

Reinhard Hainbach (Germany) (y+c)
Helmut Polensky (Germany) (y+c)
Hans-Joachim Water (Germany) - (y+c)
Manfred Hero (Germany) - (p+y+c)
Ruprecht Hopfen (Germany) - (p+d+y+c)
Gunther Klass (Germany) - (y+c)
Rainer Altenheimer (Germany) - (p+d+y+c)


Branislav Kuzmic (former Yougoslavia) (p+d+y+c)
Donald Morley (Great-Britain) (d)
Klaus Russling (Austria) (p+d+y+c)
Erwin Doctor (Netherlands) (p+d+y+c)
Carsten Johansson (Norway) (p+y+c)
Paul Coltelloni (France) (p+d+y+c)
Roger Delageneste (Switzerland) (y+c)
Gunter Janger (Austria) (p+d+y+c)
Claude Haldi (Switzerland) (y+c)
Andrzej Jaroszewicz (Poland) (p+y+c)
Walter Smolej (Austria) (p+y+c)
Per Malling (Norway) (p+y+c)
Stefan Brugger (Switzerland) - (p+d+y+c)
Svatopluk Kvaizar (former Checoslovaquia) - (p)
Brian Nelson (Ireland) - (p+d+y+c)
Leo Pavlik (Checoslovaquia) - (y+c)
Jack Tordoff (Great Britain) - (p+d+y+c)

Any help will be wellcome !
Best regards
jorge

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Posted 11 October 2006 - 13:22

Branislav "Brane" Kuzmic (former Yougoslavia), b. 5 Aug 1948 Ljubljana (now Slovenia), first rally in 1976.

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Posted 11 October 2006 - 15:59

Roger de LAGENESTE : LIEGE ROME LIEGE 1955 with PEUGEOT 203 (30th at the end)


Roger is born in Geneve because his mother was from Switzerland but his father came from France and Roger have the french nationality.

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Posted 11 October 2006 - 18:24

I am looking also :
Tiny Lewis
Bo Ljungfeldt
Jean Pierre Manzagol
Pierre Maublanc
Nancy Mitchell
Pierre Orsini
Sylvia Osterberg
Jimmy Ray
Jacques Rey
Walter Roser
David Seigle-Morris
Walter Schluter
Hans Tak
Jean Jacques Thuner

Thanks in advance
Luca

#41 jrally

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Posted 11 October 2006 - 21:04

Thank You very much, anjakub and Haine Kane, for your precious help !

Best regards from Portugal
jorge

#42 jrally

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Posted 12 October 2006 - 22:44

Some other names :

Vladimir Hubacek (former Checoslovaquia)
Tomasz Ciecierzynski (Poland)
Werner Engel (Germany)
Ronnie Adams (Great-Britain)
Lyndon Sims (Great-Britain)
Guy Monraisse (France)
Maurice Martin (France)
Jean Marie Jacquemin (Belgium)
Marianne Hoefner (France)
Vahan Terzian (Cyprus)
Franz Wurz (Austria)
Terry Kaby (Great-Britain)
Remo Celesia (Italy)

Thanks in advance
Best regards
jorge

#43 rx-guru

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Posted 12 October 2006 - 23:07

http://de.wikipedia....wiki/Franz_Wurz

I did this story on Franz Wurz for the German Wikipedia. It contains the needed information on Alexander's dad.

#44 jrally

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Posted 12 October 2006 - 23:19

Originally posted by rx-guru
http://de.wikipedia....wiki/Franz_Wurz

I did this story on Franz Wurz for the German Wikipedia. It contains the needed information on Alexander's dad.


Thank You very much, rx-guru !
As I don't know the german language, is correct to think that he started his career in Rallyes in 1967 driving a Opel Kadett ?

Best regards
jorge

#45 rx-guru

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Posted 12 October 2006 - 23:25

Yep!

Debut: 1967 Seiberer-Wertungsfahrt (Austria)
Opel Rallye-Kadett, 4th in class up to 1250cc

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Posted 13 October 2006 - 00:06

Originally posted by rx-guru
Yep!

Debut: 1967 Seiberer-Wertungsfahrt (Austria)
Opel Rallye-Kadett, 4th in class up to 1250cc


Thank You very much !

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Posted 13 October 2006 - 11:46

Marianne HOEPHNER : 7 april 1944 - still alive

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Posted 13 October 2006 - 11:56

Originally posted by Lucarally
I am looking also :
Tiny Lewis
Bo Ljungfeldt
Jean Pierre Manzagol
Pierre Maublanc
Nancy Mitchell
Pierre Orsini
Sylvia Osterberg
Jimmy Ray
Jacques Rey
Walter Roser
David Seigle-Morris
Walter Schluter
Hans Tak
Jean Jacques Thuner

Thanks in advance
Luca


Pierre MAUBLANC : b-5 nov 1928 still alive
Jacques REY : b- feb 1934 still alive
Walter ROSER :b-1932 d-1998

#49 rx-guru

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Posted 13 October 2006 - 12:09

No, Marianne Hoepfner (oe = replacement for ö?) is the correct spelling. And this site http://www.rallye-in...sp?driverid=383 gives another date of birth.

#50 ReWind

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Posted 13 October 2006 - 12:27

Originally posted by rx-guru
No, Marianne Hoepfner (oe = replacement for ö?) is the correct spelling. And this site http://www.rallye-in...sp?driverid=383 gives another date of birth.

I can only WARN to take that site seriously.
If you look closely you will find that there are numerous drivers who allegedly were born on "11 Nov 50"!
I.e.: The author of that site gives this date every time he doesn't know the real one!
(IMHO he should be punished for doing so!) :evil: