Amongst the crash compilations, amusing pets and showing-off on YouTube, I found this gem - it was too good to keep to myself. Not sure they've got the year right, though.
Cadwell Park video clip, 1963
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Posted 12 October 2006 - 18:12
Well, it can't be after 1963 ....;)
I wonder if that #92 Mini was disqualified for taking a short cut (repeatedly!)?
I wonder if that #92 Mini was disqualified for taking a short cut (repeatedly!)?
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Posted 12 October 2006 - 18:17
It is 1963. All filmed as part of the BRSCC season review film entitled 'Circuit and See'.
These films are available on video VHS from Porter Publishing. They are called 'Motor Racing '60s style'
in four seperate videos; 1960 & 67, 1961 & 62, 1963 & 64, 1970 & 71.
here is a link to their ebay shop where all are available.
http://stores.ebay.c...3QQftidZ2QQtZkm
These films are available on video VHS from Porter Publishing. They are called 'Motor Racing '60s style'
in four seperate videos; 1960 & 67, 1961 & 62, 1963 & 64, 1970 & 71.
here is a link to their ebay shop where all are available.
http://stores.ebay.c...3QQftidZ2QQtZkm
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Posted 12 October 2006 - 18:56
What a hilarious piece of film. It seems commentators were even worse then.....
It's June 23rd 1963, and the organisers were the BRSCC Northern Centre. This was a strangely unreported meeting: Autosport had a rather sketchy report and incomplete results, and Motoring News ignored it altogether. Roy James was having several wins that year in the Formula Junior Brabham he had purchased with the proceeds of earlier robberies. The Great Train Robbery happened six weeks later.....
Second in the Sheffield Telegraph Formula Junior race, five seconds behind, was D.K. Fletcher (Lola), with D. Wragg's Cooper third. Later in the day James won a formule libre race, again with Fletcher second, and Sid Fox third in his Lola-Climax Mk 1 sports-racer. Having set fastest lap in the FJ race, James improved to 1m 45.2 s, 77.0 mph, which I believe may have been a new circuit record at that point. He was a bit wild, but clearly very quick: had his other activities not caught up with him his career might have blossomed.
The clubmen's-type race (although it wasn't called that then, of course) shows D.L Wragg's 1-litre U2 on the grid: he won the race while several of the Lotus 7s were spinning off. T. Moore's 1-litre BMC-powered Lotus 7 was second ahead of the 1500 Ford-powered 7s. D. Wragg and D.L. Wragg seem not to have been the same person. I remember David Wragg racing in a clubmen's car pretty rapidly in the 1960s, and I believe he was later killed in a mountaineering accident: no doubt a better-informed TNFer can elucidate.
The coverage of the saloon race seems mainly to show the antics of the mid-field runners, but the battle for the lead was between Mike Poole in the 105E Anglia and Mike Clarke in the A40. Autosport's report is vague about the Christian names of the Mini drivers, but says they finished in the order Cole, Brown, Pearson, McDougall and Fulton. Anybody got a programme?
It's June 23rd 1963, and the organisers were the BRSCC Northern Centre. This was a strangely unreported meeting: Autosport had a rather sketchy report and incomplete results, and Motoring News ignored it altogether. Roy James was having several wins that year in the Formula Junior Brabham he had purchased with the proceeds of earlier robberies. The Great Train Robbery happened six weeks later.....
Second in the Sheffield Telegraph Formula Junior race, five seconds behind, was D.K. Fletcher (Lola), with D. Wragg's Cooper third. Later in the day James won a formule libre race, again with Fletcher second, and Sid Fox third in his Lola-Climax Mk 1 sports-racer. Having set fastest lap in the FJ race, James improved to 1m 45.2 s, 77.0 mph, which I believe may have been a new circuit record at that point. He was a bit wild, but clearly very quick: had his other activities not caught up with him his career might have blossomed.
The clubmen's-type race (although it wasn't called that then, of course) shows D.L Wragg's 1-litre U2 on the grid: he won the race while several of the Lotus 7s were spinning off. T. Moore's 1-litre BMC-powered Lotus 7 was second ahead of the 1500 Ford-powered 7s. D. Wragg and D.L. Wragg seem not to have been the same person. I remember David Wragg racing in a clubmen's car pretty rapidly in the 1960s, and I believe he was later killed in a mountaineering accident: no doubt a better-informed TNFer can elucidate.
The coverage of the saloon race seems mainly to show the antics of the mid-field runners, but the battle for the lead was between Mike Poole in the 105E Anglia and Mike Clarke in the A40. Autosport's report is vague about the Christian names of the Mini drivers, but says they finished in the order Cole, Brown, Pearson, McDougall and Fulton. Anybody got a programme?
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Posted 12 October 2006 - 19:06
Was the Mini not Mike Campbell-Cole and the McDougall you mention Simon possibly Ian McDougall?
Very rapid in a 1275 Mini in the late 60s.
Very rapid in a 1275 Mini in the late 60s.
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Posted 12 October 2006 - 19:16
From the programme-
#109 Anglia is Mike Poole
#92 Mini 997 M C Cole which I agree is no doubt Mike Campbell Cole
#90 Mini upside down Barry Pearson
#112 A40 Mike Clarke
#109 Anglia is Mike Poole
#92 Mini 997 M C Cole which I agree is no doubt Mike Campbell Cole
#90 Mini upside down Barry Pearson
#112 A40 Mike Clarke
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Posted 12 October 2006 - 19:20
Originally posted by Andrew Kitson
It is 1963. All filmed as part of the BRSCC season review film entitled 'Circuit and See'.
These films are available on video VHS from Porter Publishing. They are called 'Motor Racing '60s style'
in four seperate videos; 1960 & 67, 1961 & 62, 1963 & 64, 1970 & 71.
here is a link to their ebay shop where all are available.
http://stores.ebay.c...3QQftidZ2QQtZkm
Also approx 27 minutes of the '63 edition features on Motor Films Quarterly Vol 15
Including Jim Clark in a Galaxie and an amusing piece on Wiscombe Hill Climb.
Cheers
David
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Posted 12 October 2006 - 19:24
As Andrew says, this is one of David Roscoe's films for the BRSCC, a number of which have been included in recent Motorfilm Quarterlys.
The tone of the commentaries was always in this vein - it could only be the sixties, couldn't it?
Slightly OT, how have YouTube got away with posts of films which are clearly in copyright - I gather that Google is planning to regularise this now that it has acquired the company (for £900 million, I believe). That will probably come as a great relief to those whose work has been "pinched".
I also heard some media financial wizard say that the £900 million investment had resulted in Google's value increasing by £4 billion, even though YouTube has yet to make any money! How come we are all in the wrong business?
The tone of the commentaries was always in this vein - it could only be the sixties, couldn't it?
Slightly OT, how have YouTube got away with posts of films which are clearly in copyright - I gather that Google is planning to regularise this now that it has acquired the company (for £900 million, I believe). That will probably come as a great relief to those whose work has been "pinched".
I also heard some media financial wizard say that the £900 million investment had resulted in Google's value increasing by £4 billion, even though YouTube has yet to make any money! How come we are all in the wrong business?
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Posted 12 October 2006 - 19:36
900 Million!
How long has YouTube been in existance - 20 months?
I am sure that copyright will (quite rightly) become better regulated, but then YouTube will probably offer little more than amusing pets and showoffs.....
How long has YouTube been in existance - 20 months?
I am sure that copyright will (quite rightly) become better regulated, but then YouTube will probably offer little more than amusing pets and showoffs.....
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Posted 13 October 2006 - 08:40
#109 Anglia is Mike Poole
#92 Mini 997 M C Cole which I agree is no doubt Mike Campbell Cole
#90 Mini upside down Barry Pearson
#112 A40 Mike Clarke
Excellent - thanks Andrew and RAP. Another impressive TNF result, within 20 minutes....
#92 Mini 997 M C Cole which I agree is no doubt Mike Campbell Cole
#90 Mini upside down Barry Pearson
#112 A40 Mike Clarke
Excellent - thanks Andrew and RAP. Another impressive TNF result, within 20 minutes....
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Posted 13 October 2006 - 09:32
That would be the 'Team Charles Clark' car, wouldn't it? I recall that from what must have been one of the very first meetings I attended. Pale cream-coloured car with the team name sign-written in red capitals along the sides.Originally posted by Andrew Kitson
... and the McDougall you mention... possibly Ian McDougall?
Very rapid in a 1275 Mini in the late 60s.
Anyone else have recollections of this?
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Posted 13 October 2006 - 10:51
I think McDougall's Mini had two black stripes on the bonnet too, where the usual Cooper white stripes would have been.
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Posted 13 October 2006 - 11:02
On second thoughts, was I confusing McDougall with Ian Mitchell?
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Posted 13 October 2006 - 15:10
On the MFQ airing of this film in the introduction Doug tells us they believe one of the Austin A40 Farinas was being driven on the day by none other than a Mr Frank Williams !
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Posted 13 October 2006 - 15:16
Originally posted by Alan Cox
Slightly OT, how have YouTube got away with posts of films which are clearly in copyright - I gather that Google is planning to regularise this now that it has acquired the company (for £900 million, I believe). That will probably come as a great relief to those whose work has been "pinched".
I also heard some media financial wizard say that the £900 million investment had resulted in Google's value increasing by £4 billion, even though YouTube has yet to make any money! How come we are all in the wrong business?
They didn't pay 1.8 billion doillars, they gave them a load of Google shares, which some people value at that amount - actual cost to Google was close to nothing.
Google themselves are in trouble over copyright in some countries - apart from paying huge fines they were obliged to display the details of the court ruling against them in Belgium for example.
Back to the topic - did people really talk differently in those days, as with MFQ, the commentator sounds totally different to anyone these days?
The opening line says Roy James was known as the Weasel to his friends, I wonder what the others called him!! I'm sure he gained a nickname (quite literally) from the police soon after.
It is interesting to see how grass run-offs make the off track excursions more interesting, and opens up a wider range of potential lines!!
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Posted 13 October 2006 - 16:05
Just look at the amount of understeer Campbell-Cole gets on that Mini.
The good old days before everything was spoiled with gravel traps, armco, motorhomes, awnings egos and....money.
The good old days before everything was spoiled with gravel traps, armco, motorhomes, awnings egos and....money.
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Posted 13 October 2006 - 16:12
What a glorious little nugget!
I've just watched it (twice). Great stuff - what a wonderful place.
And many thanks to Simon for the information
Some intriguing perspective there, especially concerning "The Weasel" and his er, other interests...
I've just watched it (twice). Great stuff - what a wonderful place.
And many thanks to Simon for the information
Some intriguing perspective there, especially concerning "The Weasel" and his er, other interests...
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Posted 13 October 2006 - 16:18
The great thing is Cadwell itself has hardly changed. Must do events are the VSCC and HSCC meetings there.
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Posted 13 October 2006 - 16:47
Originally posted by Andrew Kitson
The great thing is Cadwell itself has hardly changed. Must do events are the VSCC and HSCC meetings there.
Andrew,
Just curious, but have you done any "Vintage" paintings?
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Posted 13 October 2006 - 17:23
Not too many Mark, should do more!
http://www.andrewkit...wer-bentley.htm
http://www.andrewkit...pages/msa91.htm
http://www.andrewkit...wer-bentley.htm
http://www.andrewkit...pages/msa91.htm
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Posted 25 March 2010 - 12:10
It is 1963. All filmed as part of the BRSCC season review film entitled 'Circuit and See'.
These films are available on video VHS from Porter Publishing. They are called 'Motor Racing '60s style'
in four seperate videos; 1960 & 67, 1961 & 62, 1963 & 64, 1970 & 71.
here is a link to their ebay shop where all are available.
http://stores.ebay.c...3QQftidZ2QQtZkm
Hello,
Can you help where I can get a copy of this footage.
Many thanks
Beverley Flynn (Nee Mcdougall)
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Posted 25 March 2010 - 12:41
Amongst the crash compilations, amusing pets and showing-off on YouTube, I found this gem - it was too good to keep to myself. Not sure they've got the year right, though.
Cirrus , I'm too late:
REMOVED!!! Copyright infringement, that it what they tell when you use your link!!
regards Michael
