72 replies to this topic

[David Birchall]

I have decided to paint my Aston Ecurie Ecosse Blue--no, its not an original Aston colour but it is a beautiful blue. Does anyone know the colour code?

[Graham Gauld]

The original Ecurie Ecosse blue was flag metallic blue made by paint company Ault and Wiborg. It was chosen by Ian Stewart as he liked it and adopted by David Murray for the cars.

Due to the great changes made in paint development it is difficult to identically match the original colour The closest is a metallic blue paint used by Peugeot in its larger saloon models of about two years ago but I do not have a Pantone number for it.

[RA Historian]

Now THAT is neat! No matter how seemingly obscure the question, there always is somebody on TNF who not only has the answer, but has the background of the story and the up to date followup. I am impressed.

Graham, what was the weather like on the day Ian Stewart selected the color? You seem to have everything else down!

[Paul Parker]

You can always rely upon Graham, especially in matters EE!

[Graham Gauld]

Hard to tell really : it was whilst he was in hospital around 1951 having put his XK120 through a hedge on the way to race it at Turnberry. He wanted to change the colour of the car hence the story. He was also behind the Ecurie Ecosse "stick man" badge and the shield design. Now don't ask me to put a photo of the "Stick Man" badge as I still don't have the hang of placing photos on this. However if someone who does sends me his E mail address I will send it to him and it can be published.
Thank you for the kind remark Paul.

[David Birchall]

I expected a helpful reply but not perhaps this complete! Many thanks Graham

Thanks to rdrcr who also pm'd information. Glad I'm not the only one that likes that colour.

Does anybody know the paint code for the Peugeot that Graham mentioned? Peugeot are not sold here in N.America. :

[rdrcr]

Hi David...

Here is some useful info for everyone:

OEM Paint Codes can be found from Sherwin Williams:

http://www.sherwin-a...ve.com/formula/

Click on the OEM Code to get the formula.

Best of luck with your restoration and check your PMs once again.

[Richard Jenkins]

Originally posted by RA Historian
Graham, what was the weather like on the day Ian Stewart selected the color? You seem to have everything else down!

Seeing as it's Scotland, probably wet & cold.

[Frank S]

I'd have guessed " ... ane braw bricht moonlicht nicht".

--
Frank S

[frogeye59]

Originally posted by David Birchall
I have decided to paint my Aston Ecurie Ecosse Blue--no, its not an original Aston colour but it is a beautiful blue. Does anyone know the colour code?

Perhaps you could give these guys a go..... http://www.lynxmotors.co.uk/index1.htm

They have been responsible for a number of Jag C & D rebuilds and must have done an EE blue one, PLUS they are responsible for Dick Skipworths EE Transporter restoration.

I'm sure they must be able to guide you in the right direction.

Lynx Motors International Ltd

68 Castleham Road
St Leonards on Sea
East Sussex
TN38 9NU
England

Tel: 44 (0) 1424 851277
E-Mail: enquiries@lynxmotors.co.uk


Cheers

David

[frogeye59]

Originally posted by Richie Jenkins


Seeing as it's Scotland, probably wet & cold.

I think those that cheer at the correct scenes from Braveheart (ie those north of the wall) call it Dreich

From the Scots Dictionary :- Dreich
Description of the usual Scottish weather viz:
Damp, dreary, overcast, drizzling, threatening to pish doon.......

[Doug Nye]

My C-Type is finished in original Ault & Wyborg flag metallic blue, a gallon of which I found in a paint store in Canada Road, Byfleet, next door to the former Cooper Car Co factory in 1991-92. It's a cellulose paint and the colour and and metallic flake content are simply NOT the same in the allegedly corresponding two-pack alternatives offered today, which tend towards being too 'smokey grey' in tone. Graham provided EE decals for my faker, and v.nice they are too. When Stan Sproat saw my car he was v. complimentary about the colour. Sorry I cannot provide meaningful code numbers for it, however...

DCN

[David Birchall]

Well, I googled 'Ault & Wyborg' and learned that they were a printing ink manufacturer from Watford who got into the paint business. I think that Sun Chemical Co took them over but cannot find more. Does anyone know if they still exist?

[Barry Boor]

I repainted this C-type model using Vauxhall Polar Sea Blue. Not the correct colour, I guess, but it was passed as acceptable by Mr. Gauld.

[Team Gunston]

Yes, the colour is acceptable. But sorry, the EE badge is not. It had a different shape and was far smaller in the C-type days. I'm not even sure that "Ecurie Ecosse" was written on the badge in those times.

[Barry Boor]

[Bjorn Kjer]

I MUST ASK : Before the famous transporter in post 10 EE had at least to AEC bus/transporters , one dark one lighter(2 )coloured. Has anyone any idea of these colours , was the Ecosse blue???

Regards Bjørn

PS Also asked on the Transporter thread

[David Birchall]

Thanks frogeye59 for the Lynx links

They have not responded to my general enquiry or to a direct email to Marston-Taylor--even though I said I would be buying one of his lightweights next year!

I did find a colour code attributed to Lynx that may be it: F9915 but I have no idea which manufacturer this would apply to--does anyone else?

[rdrcr]

The manufacturer is Dupont.

Another discussion regarding this code was found here: forum.rscnet.org

[David Birchall]

Thanks Richard, Dupont makes a "Lynx Flag Blue Metalic" #F9915 . I will check with my local paint supplier for a colour chip.

[frogeye59]

Originally posted by David Birchall
Thanks frogeye59 for the Lynx links

They have not responded to my general enquiry or to a direct email to Marston-Taylor--even though I said I would be buying one of his lightweights next year!

I did find a colour code attributed to Lynx that may be it: F9915 but I have no idea which manufacturer this would apply to--does anyone else?

Glad to be of assistance, shame Lynx didn't respond but at least you gained a clue.......

Be great to hear if we've collectively "done the trick" when you recieve the sample paint.

Regards

David

[Bjorn Kjer]

I would like you to look at post 17 , more luck now ?

Kind regards , Bjørn

[David Birchall]

Well everyone, I am two weeks away from the car going to the painters and I still haven't tracked the paint down! Dupont does not/will not import this paint F9915 to N.America.... Despite it's being a Lotus current colour! Solvent based paints are about to be banned in N.America and automotive paints will be water based I am told by the distributers; this is affecting availability of some paints.
Graham Gould mentioned a Peugeot paint that was very close and there may be others. Any suggestions?

[D-Type]

It might be easier to ship the car to Uk and take in one or both of the Goodwood events Alternatively, do Mexico or Canada have the same restrictions?

Happy New year, David, and good hunting.

[David Birchall]

That had some serious consideration....

[David Birchall]

Despite my earlier statement that "the car is about to go to the painters" it took a while longer....

I am now in desperate need of help if I am to paint the car EE Blue. Dupont say they do not import this colour to N.America and will not supply the formula. Can somebody in the UK find out either the Dupont formula or, the formula for the Peugeot colour that Graham Gould mentioned?

The painter is now waiting for the code having told me it would be "No problemo!"

Many thanks people.

[Graham Gauld]

You mean they do not import this colour which is their own code number ?


Dupont color, code #F9915.

[David Birchall]

Hi Graham, that is correct! and they cannot/willnot supply the formula.

HELP!!

[Wolf]

C'mon guys, lend the man a hand and send it from UK...;)

David- if it's current Lotus colour, did You try contacting them or some of their dealerships in UK to try obtaining either pain itself or data.

I'm pretty useless in my neck of woods, but have a shop that mixes car paints nearby. I'll drop in there tomorrow and see if they have the composition of either Dupont or Peugeot colour (I reckon they should have the latter), so You can use the data to have the colour mixed over there.

[David Birchall]

Many thanks Wolf, Richard, Graham and others with offers of help--I have emailed Dupont and now have their direct phone # but if someone comes up with that Peugeot colour code it will put one more arrow in my quivver--(I think I have a quivver somewhere....)

[Wolf]

Sorry, David I have not been of much help- the shop I spoke of wasn't very helpful, then I went to another where I was told they don't have any Dupont data, and metallic colours are available by code only, not by manufacturer (and apparently Peugeot don't have non-metalic dark blue colour). :

Now, I went to our Peugeot dealer website and downloaded some catalogues for larger cars. I'm not sure it's what You're looking for, but they have dark blue called "Montebello" (Google image results- ), but if it is, I'll contact them for further info (either paint code, which I can get composition for, or composition itself).

EDIT- I forgot, 607 comes also in a bit darker 'bleu abysse'. Googling provided these Peugeot colour 'swatches', maybe Graham and others can have a look if anything matches the desired colour (I'm terrible with colours- that's why I wear only black ).

[David Birchall]

Many thanks Wolf

Graham, do either Montebello Blue or Recife Blue look like the blue you meant?

[Graham Gauld]

Blue Montebello appears to be the closest as it is a darker blue than the other one.

[Wolf]

Graham, how about abysse- is it too dark (and would it perchance be eligible as substitute for Rob Walker's royal blue)?

OK, I'll send them an E-mail later on, and drop in one of their dealerships in my neighbourhood tomorrow. Hopefully we'll get the thing sorted out very soon.

EDIT- God, sometimes I can be so feebleminded... David, You mentioned it being a Lotus current colour- what's it called? I could look up their parts manual for touch-in pencil in that colour. Maybe You could get more info, or contact their dealership (some of them are very helpful), or order one of them (which shouldn't be too expensive) and use it as swatch when mixing the colour? If You don't know the name, I could get the list of all of them for You...

[David Birchall]

Wolf, the colour is called Lynx Flag Blue Metallic--the touch up pencil is a great idea-I will see if the dealers here have such a thing.

I called Dupont's head office in the Eastern US this morning and they tell me that the colour is now called 'Racing Blue" (!) but it is not available in N.America

The Peugeot "Bleu montebello" is listed on the Dupont site with all the codes so hopefully it is available.

[Wolf]

David, I think I'll earn the right to nick signature from another member ("doesn't know much, googles well")- here's the link (I haven't found similar name in parts list either, although it's for S1, so might be new addition to spectrum)- apparently they cost a little more than Ł6...

[David Birchall]

It's not getting any better....

Sorry to be so anal about this everyone but now I have decided on EE Blue, nothing else will do!

The latest: Dupont say they cannot supply formulations for paints not available in n.america-paint specialists tell me this is BS...

So, I need the paint formulations for Peugeot Montebello Blue, Peugeot code M05L, Dupont code X2174, or, Lynx Flag Blue Metalic, also known as Racing Blue by Lotus, Dupont code F9915.

If anyone can contact a paint supplier and get me these I would be forever in their debt.

I have emailed a Peugeot dealer in Scotland called Ecosse Motors-we'll see if they have a sense of nostalgia!

[Wolf]

You don't have to feel guilty for wanting to get things right in this forum, David.;) I've also contacted our dealership, but will prolly pay a visit to their car salon tomorrow too. Unfortunately, this Peugeot code will probably be of no use in colour shop (looks like internal designation), but will give them a call tomorrow to check.

[Wolf]

David, there might be a light at the end of the tunnel (hope it's not a train )- I've just recieved a reply that they don't have the spec at hand, but the kind gentleman will contact his man in body shop and see what can be done. Actually, what's most pleasantly surprising is that I've recieved a reply less than 1 hour from sending it- an mine was sent at 1 AM local time. That's customer service at its best.

EDIT - what is that DuPont microfiche number listed in PDF from RSCNET and on Seloc page? Did a bit of Googling and found them mentioned here. I hope You don't mind me taking the liberty, since I'm a member on one of EZ forums, to drop him a PM with inquiry about both colours...

[David Birchall]

Wolf, your a gentleman and a scholar!

Are you contacting a dealership in Zagreb?

The latest I have heard from Dupont is "Why don't you send a paint sample to a paint shop"!

[David Birchall]

One last try!!

Could somebody in England phone a Dupont paint supplier for me and get the formulation code for Dupont code F9915? Lotus code B72. I have spent so many hours on this you wouldn't believe it....
Many thanks, David B

[Wolf]

Sorry David, I had some unexpected things to deal with. : Haven't heard from our general distibutor for Peugeot (the ones I exchanged mails with the other day), but will pay a visit to one of their salons tomorrow (and hopefully I'll get the promised reply soon).

[David Birchall]

One thing I have discovered is that there is an 'Official" Scottish Flag Blue. Apparently the Scottish Parliament decided in 2003 that the colour would henceforth be "Pantone 300".

Which is quite a light blue....



Interestingly, Pantone Reflex Blue is used for the European union flag and is also used in many cases for the US flag. It is much darker:

http://europa.eu/abc...raphics1_en.htm


Since I am sure you are all stunningly interested in this, here is the full Pantone scale:

http://www.logoorang...codes-chart.php

[dbw]

when it finally came time to paint my t37 bug i did massive research and after much hair pulling and teeth gnashing i picked a color...when i went down to order the paint the clerk smiled when i told him i was going to paint my antique car .... i asked him what was so amusing he pulled out a corporate color specification sheet- my bugatti was to be painted standard oil restroom blue.

looked good on the car btw...

[David Birchall]

Yes, it's me again. I have had success finding a n.american code for Lynx Flag Blue Metallic, or at least, the Lotus version of it which is called Racing Blue. I found this after asking friend and interesting car owner David Cohen who I should talk to. He suggested Standox and they stunned me by bringing up the formula immediately! What is depressing is that Standox is now part of Dupont....However, I find that it is too smokey grey as Doug Nye suggested

Here is the car and colour that started me on this quest. Brian Wingfield built the car for Sir Anthony Bamford in 1994-it was up for sale recently and I fell in love with the colour (And the car!). Brian Wingfield is from Glasgow I have learned and was close with David Murray and Ecurie Ecosse--he even worked with them at times I believe. So he must have got the colour right wouldn't you think? I have phoned and emailed his company DRL Engineering but have got no response; Does anybody know how to contact him?

http://rides.webshot...037176537PDZqNX

[Mal9444]

David: are you now sorted?

I came to this thread only last night (been working, and thus off-air, for a while). I vaguely know (as in I have met him a couple of times at social functions) Dick Skipworth, he of the EE transporter and assorted Jaguars. Why not contact him and ask where he gets his paint? If you do not have a contact for him, I do - though it may take a day or two. I would send this by PM, but I am away from my home machine and will be so yet for a few days, hence this more public suggestion as I can pick up PMs only on that machine (I think).

[David Birchall]

Mal, many thanks for the offer.
As of late yesterday I am 'Sorted'. Through someone on a GT40 forum I was put in touch with Sovereign Coachworks who supplied me with a Standox formula for a Jaguar/Ecurie Ecosse Flag metalic blue. Shortly after that John Mayston-Taylor of Lynx phoned (!) and told my wife that he would find the formula for Lynx Flag Blue Metalic but they were in the midst of moving and it might take a bit. Since I had located that formula the day before I emailed him and thanked him. That is the colour that was used on Dick Skipworth's EE transporter and EE Sprite. The October 2007 edition of "Classic & Sportscar" magazine has pictures of both.

John Mayston-Taylor, in an email this morning, told me that Lynx Flag Blue Metallic was the most genuine of the various shades of this colour because it had been copied from an original example. After having both paints mixed and test sprayed I prefer the Sovereign Coachworks example. It is more blue-the Lynx paint is too grey for my taste. Since my car has no connection to EE this is not important, it is just a matter of personal taste.

The two codes are:
Lynx Flag Blue Metalic Standox 84066
Jaguar Flag Blue Metalic Standox 41051

[Mal9444]

Delighted that you have at last found your colour. All that now remains is to paint the car.


Good luck.

[D-Type]

Now seems an appropriate time to ask the shade of blue of the Border Reivers Aston Martin that Jim Clark and Roy Salvadori drove to 3rd place at Le Mans in 1960.

[Doug Nye]

As I recall that was a non-metallic dark midnight blue. But that is relying upon visual memory alone...always a dangerous exercise (especially in this company).

DCN