Just thinking aloud here. Have any Formula 1 cars competed at the Brighton Speed Trials. I think I'm right when I say that David Render campaigned one of his 'on loan' Lotuses, but any others?? Of course, pictures would be a fine thing, too.....................
F1 cars at the Brighton Speed Trials?
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Gary C
, Nov 01 2006 17:26
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Allen Brown
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Posted 01 November 2006 - 19:06
I may know a little about this ;)
Johnty Williamson's McLaren M14A (albeit with F5000 lump), Simon Riley's Brabham BT33, David Render's Lotus 76, Terry Smith's March 761 (GA), Render again and Paul Edwards with the March 741. Riley and Smith both won the event, Smith twice.
Allen
Johnty Williamson's McLaren M14A (albeit with F5000 lump), Simon Riley's Brabham BT33, David Render's Lotus 76, Terry Smith's March 761 (GA), Render again and Paul Edwards with the March 741. Riley and Smith both won the event, Smith twice.
Allen
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Alan Cox
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Posted 01 November 2006 - 19:26
I'm sure that Tony Marsh wil have run various of his F1 cars down Madeira Drive, along wit other hillclimbers who ran F1 cars on the hills.
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Stephen W
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Posted 01 November 2006 - 20:06
The following are the placings of ex-F1 cars in the British Sprint rounds at Brighton:
10/09/1977 1st Simon Riley 3.0 Brabham-Cosworth DFV BT33
10/09/1977 3rd David Render 3.0 Lotus-Cosworth DFV 76
12/09/1981 2nd David Render 3.0 March-Cosworth DFV 741
11/09/1982 2nd David Render 3.0 March-Cosworth DFV 741
10/09/1983 2nd David Render 3.0 March-Cosworth DFV 741
08/09/1984 3rd David Render 3.0 March-Cosworth DFV 741
14/09/1985 5th Paul Edwards 3.0 March-Cosworth DFV 741
08/09/1979 Terry Smith - 5.0 March-Repco 740 75A-1/761 - fitted with Repco unit so not strictly F1
12/09/1981 Alan Payne - 3.4 March-Cosworth 761 - this is one of the V6 GA units
The following ex-F1 cars competed outside the championship:
08/09/73 Tom Rose - Maserati 250F
08/09/73 Fred Burt - BRM P153 V12
14/09/74 Bob Rose - McLaren M14D (with Chevvie V8 instead of DFV)
11/09/76 Simon Riley - Brabham BT33 DFV
11/09/76 Don Manley - UOP Shadow DFV
11/09/76 David Render - Lotus 76 DFV
11/09/76 - Fred Burt - BRM P153 V12
13/09/80 - Simon Riley - March-Cosworth DFV 741 (event abandoned after fatal crash therefore no Sprint Championship Run-off)
13/09/80 - Mark Williams - Hesketh-Cosworth DFV 308 (NB 3.1 litre)
13/09/80 - Fred Burt - BRM P160 V12
09/09/89 - Alvin Powell - March-Cosworth DFV/L 821 (3.6 litre)
12/09/92 - Don Wood & Pat Blakeney - Tyrrell F1 (3.5 litre)
At this point the records I have stop.
10/09/1977 1st Simon Riley 3.0 Brabham-Cosworth DFV BT33
10/09/1977 3rd David Render 3.0 Lotus-Cosworth DFV 76
12/09/1981 2nd David Render 3.0 March-Cosworth DFV 741
11/09/1982 2nd David Render 3.0 March-Cosworth DFV 741
10/09/1983 2nd David Render 3.0 March-Cosworth DFV 741
08/09/1984 3rd David Render 3.0 March-Cosworth DFV 741
14/09/1985 5th Paul Edwards 3.0 March-Cosworth DFV 741
08/09/1979 Terry Smith - 5.0 March-Repco 740 75A-1/761 - fitted with Repco unit so not strictly F1
12/09/1981 Alan Payne - 3.4 March-Cosworth 761 - this is one of the V6 GA units
The following ex-F1 cars competed outside the championship:
08/09/73 Tom Rose - Maserati 250F
08/09/73 Fred Burt - BRM P153 V12
14/09/74 Bob Rose - McLaren M14D (with Chevvie V8 instead of DFV)
11/09/76 Simon Riley - Brabham BT33 DFV
11/09/76 Don Manley - UOP Shadow DFV
11/09/76 David Render - Lotus 76 DFV
11/09/76 - Fred Burt - BRM P153 V12
13/09/80 - Simon Riley - March-Cosworth DFV 741 (event abandoned after fatal crash therefore no Sprint Championship Run-off)
13/09/80 - Mark Williams - Hesketh-Cosworth DFV 308 (NB 3.1 litre)
13/09/80 - Fred Burt - BRM P160 V12
09/09/89 - Alvin Powell - March-Cosworth DFV/L 821 (3.6 litre)
12/09/92 - Don Wood & Pat Blakeney - Tyrrell F1 (3.5 litre)
At this point the records I have stop.
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Posted 01 November 2006 - 20:08
If you want to look specifically at Formula 1 (i.e. 1950 and onwards), then the very first F1 car should have have been Rob Walker in the 1.5 litre supercharged Delage which entered in the 1950 Speed trials.
However, the Delage was a non-starter, so the "honour" goes to the 1.5L s/charged E.R.A. driven by G.R.Hartwell which won its class with runs of 33.2 and 32 seconds.
Pre-1950, many former Grand Prix cars ran at Brighton. Back in 1935, R.O.Shuttleworth ran his 2.9L tipo B Alfa Romeo, the same car that won the first Donington Park Grand Prix that year. The Brighton trials also saw A. Dobson in a Grand Prix Bugatti.
The late 1940s saw another car that had won a pre-war Donington Grand Prix, the 8C-35 Alfa Romeo which had won in 1936 in the hands of Dick Seaman and its then owner Hans Ruesch. By 1948 the car was in the hands of R.D Poore and it ran at Brighton in '48 and '49.
Ken McAlpine was another driver in a former Grand Prix car. His 3 litre Maserati ran in 1948 and 1949. The same car/driver won the Weston speed trials in 1948.
However, the Delage was a non-starter, so the "honour" goes to the 1.5L s/charged E.R.A. driven by G.R.Hartwell which won its class with runs of 33.2 and 32 seconds.
Pre-1950, many former Grand Prix cars ran at Brighton. Back in 1935, R.O.Shuttleworth ran his 2.9L tipo B Alfa Romeo, the same car that won the first Donington Park Grand Prix that year. The Brighton trials also saw A. Dobson in a Grand Prix Bugatti.
The late 1940s saw another car that had won a pre-war Donington Grand Prix, the 8C-35 Alfa Romeo which had won in 1936 in the hands of Dick Seaman and its then owner Hans Ruesch. By 1948 the car was in the hands of R.D Poore and it ran at Brighton in '48 and '49.
Ken McAlpine was another driver in a former Grand Prix car. His 3 litre Maserati ran in 1948 and 1949. The same car/driver won the Weston speed trials in 1948.
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David McKinney
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Posted 01 November 2006 - 20:29
Originally posted by taylov
If you want to look specifically at Formula 1 (i.e. 1950 and onwards)......
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Posted 01 November 2006 - 20:42
Rob Walker B-Type Connaught? Tony Griffiths BRM P48? Both spring to mind immediately. Various ERAs post-1948? I'm pretty sure a few more Maseratis feature, James's 4CLT for example? Assorted 4CLs? Alta at some stage too?
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David McKinney
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Posted 01 November 2006 - 22:22
Not 100% sure about Griffiths and his BRM, but I'm sure all the others took part
Rob Walker also drove his early Cooper-Climaxes, though perhaps only in 1500 (F2) classes
Rob Walker also drove his early Cooper-Climaxes, though perhaps only in 1500 (F2) classes
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Posted 01 November 2006 - 23:11
Ken Wilson set fastest time in 1963 driving an ex Tony Marsh BRM 2.5.
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Mallory Dan
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Posted 02 November 2006 - 10:13
The 1976 Don Manley UOP Shadow is interesting. Was it a borrowed works car Steve, or maybe one of the PR Reilly/Springett cars? I presume the same Mr Manley who later had the F Talbot Delta, bit of a come-down from the Shadow!
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Allen Brown
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Posted 02 November 2006 - 10:21
I thought it was Marley not Manley and I have him as a "did not appear". I had assumed he was planning to buy one of Roger's cars but didn't go through with it.
Steve - did he definitely take part? If he did, he's a real mystery.
Allen
Steve - did he definitely take part? If he did, he's a real mystery.
Allen
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Posted 02 November 2006 - 13:00
David Purley in a Lec, 1978?
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Stephen W
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Posted 02 November 2006 - 15:40
Originally posted by Allen Brown
I thought it was Marley not Manley and I have him as a "did not appear". I had assumed he was planning to buy one of Roger's cars but didn't go through with it.
Steve - did he definitely take part? If he did, he's a real mystery.
Allen
He is in the PROGRAMME as Manley, when I checked the results he doesn't have a time against his name so may well have been a no-show! Unfortunately the results do not indicate if someone non-started or had a problem during practice.
