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[Valda]

Hi,

Iam searching for pictures of HJ Stuck "lexington" car from RSA Grand Prix of 1977.
Can anybody help with close view of this car? Any side shots, please?

Thanks alot
Zdenek

[AAA-Eagle]

I have only one picture. Unfortunately it's very sad because of what is happening in the background

http://i16.tinypic.com/29ylbno.jpg

[Valda]

Originally posted by AAA-Eagle
I have only one picture. Unfortunately it's very sad because of what is happening in the background

http://i16.tinypic.com/29ylbno.jpg

Yes, its very sad image. I know this one, thanks.
Hope for any pics from side to know what is on rear wing endplate.

Thanks
Zdenek

[AAA-Eagle]

Originally posted by Valda

Hope for any pics from side to know what is on rear wing endplate.

I think it was just red with a usual Goodyear sticker...

[FerrariV12]

I have a few questions...

Firstly, how come the car wasn't in its usual Rothmans colours? It was entered with Rothmans as its title sponsor, was Lexington some sort of local brand under the same ownership? (Kind of like when Williams ran in Winfield colours throughout 1998/99, even though they effectively had the same pay masters?)

Also, how come the regular driver Ian Scheckter wasn't in the car? Especially with him being South African I figured this race would be the last one he would miss?

Finally, how close did Stuck come to being involved in the Tom Pryce tragedy? Were they really side by side, was it just a matter of a couple of feet?

Thanks!

[Bill Becketts]

Hans Stuck himself told me that he "Brushed the leg" of one of the (Two) Marshals that crossed the track to deal with Zorzi's Shadow.

I assume it was the one that wasn't holding the extinguisher.....

[alnica]

[Valda]

Originally posted by alnica

Thanks alot
there is two diferent endplates on rear wing ! also airintake logos and text are look diferent. Can anybody tell me what is text between Lexington logo and #10 in fron of cocpit, please?

Can anybody help with hi-res pics of Lexington logo (I mean two lions with scutcheon).

Thanks again
Zdenek

PS: somwhere I read that same colored car was run by Ian Scheckter in non F championship in south afrika, but cant remeber or find any details or pictures. Thanks

[Andretti Fan]

IIRC FerrariV12 is correct that Lexington is another Rothmans brand and did sponsor a number of SA drivers thru the years, in local and championship F1 races..

[RA Historian]

Originally posted by Andretti Fan
IIRC FerrariV12 is correct that Lexington is another Rothmans brand and did sponsor a number of SA drivers thru the years, in local and championship F1 races..

There have been a number of instances over the years where cars ran in the livery of a different brand than the regular sponsor. Just a couple that come to mind include the two McLaren M26s of Hunt and Tambay running in blue, white, and gold Lowenbrau beer colors at the US and Canadian GPs of 1978, the Lotus 78 of Nilsson running in red Imperial International colors at a race in 1977, and Keke Rosberg's McLaren MP4-2 running in yellow and white Marlboro light colors at a race in 1986. I am sure that there are a lot more than that.

[zakeriath]

Originally posted by FerrariV12
I have a few questions...

Also, how come the regular driver Ian Scheckter wasn't in the car? Especially with him being South African I figured this race would be the last one he would miss?

Thanks!

Ian was recovering from a shunt earlier on in the season at Killarney race track in Cape Town, he managed to cartwheel his March after touching Nols Niemand. Giles Villeneuve then plowed into Ian`s March turning it upsidedown. Dave Charlton boreing down on the accident just managed to brake in time, stopping just inches from Ians dangling head.

As a result Ian was out of action for about 2 months

[RA Historian]

Originally posted by zakeriath


Dave Charlton boreing down on the accident just managed to break in time,

Actually, if he did not "break" in time, he would have had a big "brake". ( or is it the other way around?)

[zakeriath]

Originally posted by RA Historian
Actually, if he did not "break" in time, he would have had a big "brake". ( or is it the other way around?)

Thanks, edited

But if he did not stop in time, its Scheckters head that that would have broke.

[zakeriath]

Originally posted by Valda


PS: somwhere I read that same colored car was run by Ian Scheckter in non F championship in south afrika, but cant remeber or find any details or pictures. Thanks

[AAA-Eagle]

Originally posted by Bill Becketts
Hans Stuck himself told me that he "Brushed the leg" of one of the (Two) Marshals that crossed the track to deal with Zorzi's Shadow.

I assume it was the one that wasn't holding the extinguisher.....

They both had the extinguisher. And Hans Joachim brushed the leg of the guy that would be smashed against Tom Pryce's Shadow in half a second. The frames below explain how the tragedy happened: 2/3 of a second before the tragedy

[AAA-Eagle]

Originally posted by zakeriath

Rare picture! It looks like a testing or a practice for second round of 1977 South African Formula Atlantic series held at Kyalami (29 January, 1977).

[AAA-Eagle]

By the way, here is a RSA GP practice shot of Clay Regazzoni. Next to Clay's Ensign is Stuck's March without any number on it.

[zakeriath]

Originally posted by AAA-Eagle

Rare picture! It looks like a testing or a practice for second round of 1977 South African Formula Atlantic series held at Kyalami (29 January, 1977).

Testing the week before, its Ken Howes in the brown jumper and Roger Taylor fag in mouth. Out of interest what makes it rare??

[AAA-Eagle]

Originally posted by zakeriath
Out of interesting what makes it rare??

Well, Formula Atlantic is not so well documented as, for example Grand Prix races are. And usually many testing pictures are rare pictures...

[AAA-Eagle]

Originally posted by Valda
Can anybody tell me what is text between Lexington logo and #10 in front of cocpit, please?

I'm afraid it's very difficult to read this text from low-quality images we have.

Originally posted by Valda
Can anybody help with hi-res pics of Lexington logo (I mean two lions with scutcheon).

Nowadays it looks like on the picture below. But in the 70s there was no red background on the scutcheon, it was white. Also the colour of the lion in the center seems to be gold.

[jadb1]

I was sure that was Ian Sheckter thank you friends for making myself know that it was H J Stuck


The car was inscribed as Team Rothmans International


Photo Rob Soethoudt www.forix.com

[antony duprat]

A pic from the book of S Arron and M Hugues "The complete book of Formula one" at
Motorbooks editions


Copyright LAT PHOTO

[Valda]

GREAT THANKS to all!
Special thanks to Anthony, Alnica and AAA-eagle - I can start making decals for my model car.

still looking for small text in front of cocpit and close airbox picture.
Thanks
Zdenek

[interexcel105]

A bit late perhaps, Valda, but hopefully still useful.

This was a great little scrap during the opening laps of the 1977 SAGP, witness H-J and Jacques kicking their tails out on the Leeukop exit.





In the background, barely visible to the left of the VW Kombi and below "THE CITIZEN" advertising, Tom Pryce is catching up and would join the pair in a couple of laps...

[Valda]

Originally posted by interexcel105
A bit late perhaps, Valda, but hopefully still useful.

This was a great little scrap during the opening laps of the 1977 SAGP, witness H-J and Jacques kicking their tails out on the Leeukop exit.





In the background, barely visible to the left of the VW Kombi and below "THE CITIZEN" advertising, Tom Pryce is catching up and would join the pair in a couple of laps...

GREAT.
Thanks alot. Hope that logo before Hans Stuck hame on airbox is Shell?
Thanks
Zdenek

[AAA-Eagle]

Originally posted by Valda
Hope that logo before Hans Stuck hame on airbox is Shell?

Yep, it is.

[redfred64]

They both had the extinguisher. And Hans Joachim brushed the leg of the guy that would be smashed against Tom Pryce's Shadow in half a second.

'that guy' was called jansen van vuuren

[AAA-Eagle]

Originally posted by redfred64
'that guy' was called jansen van vuuren

Right, according to Motorsport Memorial his full name was Frederick Jansen van Vuuren. And he was just 19-year-old...

[Mohican]

Was this Stuck's last race with March, before being hired by Martini Brabham ?

Did not remember the losses of Pryce and Pace being so close to each other.
Those were different times.