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#251 Ray Bell

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Posted 22 April 2023 - 20:07

I spoke to Bob Britton about this...

 

He was working for Matich when the SR3s were being built. He thinks this car was built for Webster from the beginning, but that wouldn't be right if it's the same one Matich raced here earlier. As Bob says, "I was just an employee then, working on an hourly rate, I didn't know all of what was going on."

 

Talking to Peter Mabey would get the answers, I'd imagine. All the same, I'll try to get the pic to Bob so he can take a guess at the appendages and their purpose. Bob did go to America with Frank when he raced the SR3 there with the Repco engines.

 

Just what Frank's then-current relationship with Repco was might be hard to determine, but it wouldn't have been his only likely source of financial help. BP was backing him, possibly there was still Laurie O'Neill cash coming in and Frank was famous for finding other sources. Kent Price, of course, was a customer for an SR3.



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#252 Ray Bell

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Posted 22 April 2023 - 20:17

And I forgot to mention...

 

Bob remembers a story about Frank getting livid about another competitor who go in his way on a 'hot lap'.



#253 MarkBisset

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Posted 22 April 2023 - 23:12

See Matich chassis list as below - copy and paste from the primotipo SR4 piece Nigel Tait and I wrote a while back - as set out below, this was extracted from a document created by Darryl Duff after discussions with FM. DD gave a copy to various people, mine came from Peter Brennan forever ago

 

 

Matich listed ‘his cars’ by chassis number as below. After discussion with Frank Matich, Darryl Duff who owned one of the SR3’s at the time in the early eighties prepared a document listing ‘Franks’ sportscars. A truncated summary of it is set out below. To that I have added Matich’s single-seaters, all F5000’s the source, Derek Kneller, his engineer/mechanic throughout the entire F5000 period;

 

1.Sports Cars: All of multi-tubular spaceframe construction

#1 Lotus 19B Climax: (the second of FM’s 19’s, highly modified with many Brabham bits and ultimately destroyed in FM’s big ’65 Lakeside shunt)

#2 Elfin 400 Olds: (aka ‘Traco Olds’ first raced Sandown early ’66, still exists)

#3 SR3 (1) Olds/Repco (still exists) Built with 5 litre Traco/Olds, ZF 5 DS-25 ‘box

First race Warwick Farm early ’67, won ’67 Victorian (Sandown) and NSW (Catalina Park) sportscar championships and Australian Tourist Trophy at Surfers Paradise. To Marvin Webster, California, sans engine in June 1967. Tony Settember raced the car for Webster.

#4 SR3 (2) Repco (still exists) RBE ‘620 Series’ 4.4 litre V8 # ‘RB620E22’, from late 1969 Traco/Olds 5 litre from ex-SR3 (1), ZF DS25 ‘box

Built, sold and exported to Kent Price, California US, first raced 3 September 1967, Road America, Elkhart Lake by Matich. Its only US race. Returned to Oz, it was sold on Price’s behalf, by Matich to Malcolm Bailey in 1969. Bailey fitted the ex-Elfin 400/Traco Olds/ SR3 (1) V8 from Niel Allen to the car.

#5 SR3 (3) Repco (still exists) RBE ‘620 Series’ 4.4 litre V8 engine # ‘E25’, ZF 5 DS-25 ‘box

First race by Matich, 17 September 1967 Bridghampton, raced in Oz later in ’67. Won RAC Trophy and Australian Tourist Trophy at Warwick Farm and Mallala respectively in 1968. This is the chassis which beat Amon’s Ferrari P4/CanAm 350 throughout the ’68 Tasman support races. Sold to Don O’Sullivan late in ’68

#6 SR4 Repco: (still exists, ’68 intended CanAm contender, late, only raced ’69 in Oz, won ASSC that year)

#7 SR4B Ford/Lotus twin-cam (still exists, customer car built for John Wood)

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Matich A51 Repco on the Watkins Glen pit row in 1973 (D Kneller)

2.F5000’s: All aluminium monocoques

Note The Matich Team reskinned their McLaren M10B Repco tub after its Oran Park 1971 practice shunt, their first monocoque experience. Six virtually identical tubs were built by Matich/Commonwealth Aircraft Corporation and built up as follows;

#8 A50 Repco Chassis # ‘001/002’ (1971 AGP and 1972 Gold Star winner, still exists)

#9 A50 Ford # ‘003’ (exported to the US, bits incorporated in sportscar) 1972

#10 A50 Repco # ‘004’ (customer car, John Walker ’73 US L&M later to Jon Davison, still exists)

#11 A51 Repco # ‘005’ (US ’73 L&M Series sold to J Goss, converted to A53 spec, ’76 AGP winner, still exists)

#12 A51/52 Repco # ‘006’ (US L&M Series as A51 converted to A52 spec back at Brookvale in time for the Surfers Gold Star round that September, destroyed in a Warwick Farm testing accident shortly thereafter driven by Bob Muir, scrapped)

#13 A53 Repco # ‘007’ (’74 Tasman car sold to J Goss after FM retirement, still exists)

On the basis of the above the Matich Team built 11 cars; the list above less the Lotus 19B and Elfin 400 which were built in Cheshunt, London and Edwardstown, Adelaide respectively.

 

FM’s logic of including the Lotus and Elfin as ‘his cars’ is not spelt out in Duff’s document but I suspect FM’s thinking was that he modified the cars to such an extent that they were more ‘Matich’ than Lotus/Elfin which may be true of the Lotus but ‘praps not the Elfin… Both these cars are covered in my ‘Elfin 400’ article the link of which is early in this article.


Edited by MarkBisset, 22 April 2023 - 23:18.


#254 cooper997

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Posted 22 April 2023 - 23:47

June 67 RCN Matich in USA, first column.

 

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#255 MarkBisset

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Posted 22 April 2023 - 23:50

 Which chassis Webster got - in the light of this 'new' USRRC information - is an interesting one...

 

16 April : Australia We know that Matich raced an Oldsmobile powered car to win the Vic Sportscar C'ship on April 16, 1967 (I had the wrong date Stephen pointed out)

 

23 April : US  Vegas We now know (racingsportscas.com) that FM didn't start his Matich SR3 Webster Olds at USRRC Vegas because of a blown engine

 

30 April : US Riverside We know that Webster entered the car Chev powered, (copy entry list online) but that they raced the Matich SR3 Webster Oldsmobile - DNF oil pressure after completing 19 laps

 

7 May :  US Laguna Seca The car entered, and raced was the Matich SR3 Webster Oldsmobile (copy entry list online) - eighth 5 laps adrift of the winner Motschenbacher

 

So...

 

On the balance of probabilities isn't the Webster car likely a new one?

.Websters planned to fit a Chev there so the car was delivered sans engine - which we know it was

.One week simply isn't enough time to ship the Sandown car sans engine to the US, fit one, and practice?

 

Thoughts?

 

m


Edited by MarkBisset, 22 April 2023 - 23:54.


#256 cooper997

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Posted 23 April 2023 - 00:10

Mark, in the ex Duff piece you posted... for SR3 (1) to win at 21/5/67 Surfers Paradise ATT and 11/6/67 Catalina it can't have gone to Webster. Unless it came back.

 

 

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#257 Ray Bell

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Posted 23 April 2023 - 01:10

So Bob's statement that a car was built specifically for Webster is likely correct...



#258 MarkBisset

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Posted 23 April 2023 - 03:22

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Thanks for the RCN report Stephen,

 

It's interesting that the SR3 was so competitive at Laguna; Q7 and second place for a bit is far from shabby in that company.

 

On the basis that the Webster's car was a newie, using the 'Duff Numbering' above, perhaps SR3-2 is the car sold to Webster, and SR3-1 the car sold to Kent Price and used by FM in the first Can-Am round at Road America - RB620 4.4 powered - on the September 3, 1967 weekend.

 

With SR3-3 FM's 'definitive' '67 Can-Am car - fitted with Repco RB620-E22 ex-SR3-1 above - then doing the Bridghampton, Laguna and Riverside rounds before giving Amon a belting that summer at home

 

In my Repco Brabham Engines records I have RB620-E22 "in production as at 30 June 1967" , I don't have a completion or invoice date to Matich but given the Repco 620 block was Olds F85, the progress of engine completion at Maidstone would not have impacted too much completion of the frames at Rennmax Engineering (?? for BB Ray; were the SR3 frames built in whole or part @ Rennmax?. Are they tube-for-tube with a few added, Elfin 400 designs?)

 

Thoughts?

 

m

 

ps; John Maher (spelling) has an 'SR3 frame' and lots of RBE engine bits in Brighton. Comments/recollections as to provenance?

 

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Photos Riverside USRRC round 1967, David Friedman 


Edited by MarkBisset, 23 April 2023 - 03:26.


#259 Porsche718

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Posted 23 April 2023 - 04:02

And I forgot to mention...

 

Bob remembers a story about Frank getting livid about another competitor who go in his way on a 'hot lap'.

 

In the second and third photo it looks like the nose has had some "attention". Would have been a different world for Frank over there. Never having to mix with the mid-pack field in Oz.

 

Always waaaaayyyy out in front most of the time.



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#260 cooper997

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Posted 23 April 2023 - 04:15

SCG's 'Competition Year' 1967 annual has these tables for the early 67 Matich runs.

 

30/4/67 Riverside

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7/5/67 Laguna Seca

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FM cockpit photo on L/S page (he also gets a brief mention in the text)

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Stephen


Edited by cooper997, 23 April 2023 - 04:16.


#261 Ray Bell

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Posted 23 April 2023 - 08:13

I got the impression that the chassis never saw Rennmax Engineering, Mark...

 

I will confirm that in the next few days.



#262 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 23 April 2023 - 08:46

The Globe Products Elfin 400 was at Malala this weekend looking and sounding lovely. Driven by Mark Goldsmith.



#263 Lola5000

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Posted 23 April 2023 - 09:15

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Thanks for the RCN report Stephen,

 

It's interesting that the SR3 was so competitive at Laguna; Q7 and second place for a bit is far from shabby in that company.

 

On the basis that the Webster's car was a newie, using the 'Duff Numbering' above, perhaps SR3-2 is the car sold to Webster, and SR3-1 the car sold to Kent Price and used by FM in the first Can-Am round at Road America - RB620 4.4 powered - on the September 3, 1967 weekend.

 

With SR3-3 FM's 'definitive' '67 Can-Am car - fitted with Repco RB620-E22 ex-SR3-1 above - then doing the Bridghampton, Laguna and Riverside rounds before giving Amon a belting that summer at home

 

In my Repco Brabham Engines records I have RB620-E22 "in production as at 30 June 1967" , I don't have a completion or invoice date to Matich but given the Repco 620 block was Olds F85, the progress of engine completion at Maidstone would not have impacted too much completion of the frames at Rennmax Engineering (?? for BB Ray; were the SR3 frames built in whole or part @ Rennmax?. Are they tube-for-tube with a few added, Elfin 400 designs?)

 

Thoughts?

 

m

 

ps; John Maher (spelling) has an 'SR3 frame' and lots of RBE engine bits in Brighton. Comments/recollections as to provenance?

 

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Photos Riverside USRRC round 1967, David Friedman 

John Maher , correct spelling has been building it up for decades and yes has RBE engine blocks ,heads etc , John once sold me he had enough blocks and heads to build numerous engines of various litres and types . How is the book going Mark? :yawnface:



#264 MarkBisset

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Posted 23 April 2023 - 13:14

Thanks for all the contributions folks,

 

Another few shots of the cars in the US with RB620's just to complete the picture.

 

The first two are of the by then Kent Price owned car - fitted with Frank's engine - perhaps SR3-1 - at Road America September 2, 1967 weekend

 

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(David Friedman) 

 

The last couple are at Bridghampton - Franks car - perhaps SR3-3 - fitted with the engine out of the car above. September 17, 1967 weekend

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"Christ those McLaren are fast" or thoughts to that general effect by FM and Peter Mabey is it?

 

More Bridghampton here; https://primotipo.co.../02/matich-sr3/

 

(Revs Institute)


Edited by MarkBisset, 23 April 2023 - 13:33.


#265 Ray Bell

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Posted 23 April 2023 - 20:47

I don't know who the bloke on the right is, but that's Mabey shorts pulled tight as he bends over on the left...

 

And in the top shot it's Bob Britton talking with Peter.



#266 cooper997

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Posted 23 April 2023 - 22:59

More of SCG's 'Competition Year' 1967 annual tables for the later 67 Matich runs.

 

3/9/67 Road America

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17/9/67 Bridgehampton

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29/10/67 Riverside

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and from the Driver profile pages...

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Stephen



#267 MarkBisset

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Posted 24 April 2023 - 01:30

Really useful Stephen,

 

A good Can-Am reference is classicscars.com

 

Belted outta-the-ball park, but his performances are more impressive when you benchmark (qualifying) him off the Ferrari 350 Can-Am; Matich 390bhp @ 4.4-litres SOHC, and the Ferrari 4.2-litres DOHC 480bhp. Even tho the P4 copped the alleggerita modificata treatment the Fazz would have been heavier than the SR3 methinks. How much? FIIK! Of course he smashed Chris that summer in Oz.

 

Still, there was no 5-litre class! That he didn't finish a Can-Am race - never got to the halfway mark - is pissweak, RBE had been building RB620s since March 1965, they finished plenty of 200 mile GPs so should have been able to finish a 200 mile Can-Am. It seems he had two engines in '67, E22 and E25 (my notes conflict in relation to the latter).

 

The reality is he needed to have the SR4 5-litre 760 in California on August 1, 1968, a month before the season started. The reality is that both chassis and engine were hopelessly late as we all know for all the reasons we all know. FM raced SR4 with 4.8-litres in 1969-early 1970. John Mepstead built and tested the first 5-litre 760 in January 1970 - 558bhp @ 7500rpm/400lb/ft from 5500-7500rpm.

 

Would a reliable, light, beautiful handling 560bhp SR4 have been competitive in 1968? Yessir-ree-bob.

 

https://primotipo.co...nd-mark-bisset/

 

Hopeless Matich bias hereby declared...

 

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Matich SR4 Repco RB760 4.8-litre, early spec with ZF 'box. (Repco Ltd)

 

Even though taking the SR4 into the 1969 Australian Sportscar Championship was akin to taking a Kalashnikov AK47 into a fight against opposition armed with Lee Enfield 303s, FM still gave the ZF the arse. When his M10A arrived later in 1969, Derek Kneller pulled the Hewland LG outta the McLaren and popped it into the SR4 and ordered a DG300 for the M10A in the process of turning it - as much as possible - into an M10B


Edited by MarkBisset, 24 April 2023 - 01:44.


#268 cooper997

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Posted 24 April 2023 - 05:20

From the pages of April 67 RCN

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and just because

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Posted 04 May 2023 - 07:42

The Pit Crew (Frank Matich team SR3). 1969 documentary - YouTube



#270 MarkBisset

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Posted 04 May 2023 - 10:11

Thanks Catalina,

 

That's fantastic, have just sent it to Jaime, be interesting to see if he has it.

Such good quality, good 'ole ABC!

 

m



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Posted 04 May 2023 - 11:25

Thanks Catalina,

 

That's fantastic, have just sent it to Jaime, be interesting to see if he has it.

Such good quality, good 'ole ABC!

 

m

That youtube channel has some other interesting stuff.

 

There's a series of interviews with drivers at the 1961 Warwick Farm Tasman meeting.....

typically cringeworthy as they were in the period, but interesting nonetheless.

 

https://youtu.be/NUDRYrEitNY



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Posted 04 May 2023 - 23:43

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Catalina,

 

Jaime hadn't seen that before and is rapt, and says thanks! A pity that 'Lugs' and Don O'Sullivan aren't still with us to see it. DOS recently departed of course.

 

Lynton,

 

Great, but staggeringly cringe-worthy! The lack of knowledge is embarrassing and makes you realise just what a fringe sport motor racing was then, compared with the squadrons of 'expert, specialist journos' now.

 

It reminds me of the obsequious reporting on tele and in print of the maxi-taxis these days. The only bloke - THE ONLY BLOKE - in taxi-land who serves it up to those Supercars Inc pricks in a fearless fashion is Bruce Williams, bless the Ballarat Bogan for that. The rest are scared shitless of rocking the boat.

 

m

 

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1969 Surfers 6-Hour

 

The first shot is of the winning Kunimitsu Takahashi/Yoshikayo Sunago Nissan/Datsun R380 Mk2 - shots of theses cars in this race seem pretty rare - and Howie Sangster/Henk Woelders Lola T70 Chev

 

https://primotipo.co...at-nissan-r380/

 

Second is the O'Sullivan/Matich SR3 Repco, aforementioned Lola, Bob Jemison/Reg Fairley Datsun 1600, Fritz Kahout - all the way over from Perth too - 911S, and Pat Peck/Doug Macarthur GTHO


Edited by MarkBisset, 05 May 2023 - 00:36.