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[jokuvaan]

I have only very short web version but anyways:

"I can go testing few days after the launch. I have now more eagerness than ever before."

"Mood is really good although I havent even sat in my car yet. Of course I have visited often Ferrari HQ. I have already noticed that there is nicer atmosphere than Mclaren, somehow more relaxed. And they arent interested what papers say about my goings."

Kimi doesnt want to say bad things about his former boss but confirms one thing:

"Dennis is control freak"

"Jean Todt on the other hand is normal bloke, who does his job well. He has been in rally and seen among other things wild goings of Finnish drivers outside rally stages, so Todt wont get nervous for small things."

[Limits]

It sounds to me that there is a side of Jean Todt that Kimi has not seen yet.

[hello86]

Thanks for the translation.

[Sizzle]

Wow, going to Ferrari and speaking complete sentences
Sounds good though, ....relaxed

[tombr]

... and speaking complete sentences.

It's the Shumi influence. You just watch and Kimi will say "At the end of the day" in his first post-qualifying interview. I wouldn't even rule out his conducting the Italian national anthem from the podium.

[Juan Kerr]

Originally posted by Limits
It sounds to me that there is a side of Jean Todt that Kimi has not seen yet.

The 2002 Austria version ?

[RDM]

Originally posted by Juan Kerr
The 2002 Austria version ?

Yes, Ferrari's honesty is likely to come as a breath of fresh air to Kimi.

[Spunout]

Originally posted by RDM


Yes, Ferrari's honesty is likely to come as a breath of fresh air to Kimi.

You mean to Rubens, who was promised in 2000 that he wouldn´t have to give away wins?

[smartie_f1]

Originally posted by tombr


It's the Shumi influence. You just watch and Kimi will say "At the end of the day" in his first post-qualifying interview. I wouldn't even rule out his conducting the Italian national anthem from the podium.

that really would put me off

[Mauseri]

Originally posted by Spunout
You mean to Rubens, who was promised in 2000 that he wouldn´t have to give away wins?

That promise was heard in austria 2001 as well. People had good memory

[HP]

Originally posted by micra_k10

That promise was heard in austria 2001 as well. People had good memory

But not knowing the complete picture as usual.

http://www.autosport...le.asp?id=14378

Asked why he agreed to move over, he said: "I cannot answer that - it is something that is very much inside [the team]. I put myself in a situation in Malaysia and unfortunately I cannot open my heart right now. I'm sorry."

So basically Rubens is saying that he set himself up for that call.

Not that I like it, but it doesn't surprise me that Rubens himself is partially responsible for that outcome.

[Mauseri]

I meant Todt/Rubens/someone 'promising' in 2001 Austria that if it was for win he could keep it.

So what could have happened in Malaysia? Something which turned Rubens to a number 2 driver? What are you on about?

[Viktor]

Originally posted by micra_k10
So what could have happened in Malaysia? Something which turned Rubens to a number 2 driver? What are you on about?

Michael overtook Rubens on track and Rubens was very angry and vocal about it after the race, somthing the team did not appreciate so when it came to Austria he could not be as vocal about that situation.
According to me it has nothing to do with the order just what Rubens can say to the press about the situation.

/Viktor

[Mohican]

But then Barrichello did not have Todt junior as his manager, either.

It has turned out that some Brazilians are more equal than others.

[pUs]

Anybody who have the "long" version? Preferably translated..

[F1Champion]

Its great to see that Kimi is eager to get into the Ferrari and do some testing. He must be really enthusiastic about being with Ferrari and the new prospects it brings. He sounds hungry for wins!

[HP]

Originally posted by F1Champion
He sounds hungry for wins!

That's to be expected considering his career.

2003 and 2005 he came 2nd where reliability was a big issue. Then the 2004 and 2006 years in which the car wasn't good enough. After a winless 2006, moving to a new team and the pattern of the previous years, it hopefully will be a good year.

[Mauseri]

Originally posted by F1Champion
Its great to see that Kimi is eager to get into the Ferrari and do some testing. He must be really enthusiastic about being with Ferrari and the new prospects it brings. He sounds hungry for wins!

Hopefully not too hungry, because that will lose championships. Trying to win a race can cost you the championship ... for example Nürburgirng 2005 comes to mind as prime example. He should not only care about winning by crushing speed, but also settle for second, and improve his ability to take small gap wins with defending drive when the car isnt superior.

[Sakae]

Originally posted by HP
That's to be expected considering his career.

2003 and 2005 he came 2nd where reliability was a big issue. Then the 2004 and 2006 years in which the car wasn't good enough. After a winless 2006, moving to a new team and the pattern of the previous years, it hopefully will be a good year.

Is he mentally tired and exhausted beyond "repair", or each new win that we expect with Ferrari Kimi could be rejuvenated enough, gaining strength from race to race to drive Alonso into oblivion?

[Peri_Piket]

Originally posted by F1Champion
He sounds hungry for wins!

Do you mean "thirsty" for wins.

That would give him more motivation.

[F]

That sounds good... Mclaren was cold and Ron Dennis is a kind of a freak, nothing new here... I just hope that Ferrari is a warm place from kimi to win everything because hes simply the fastest man on a F1 car.
it was very tough for me to accept the fact that KR is magic... he delivered for that Dark Star team even with faulty machinery, bosses that goes mental in a fraction of a second... and a lot of public shi***t because KIMI loves party (and i think i love him for that... ).

[Lazarus II]

Oh yes Ron Dennis the "control freak" as said by the 25 year old wet behind the ears drunk in public spoiled brat.

I'm begining to dislike Kimi. I liked him better when he just mumbled and drove the damn car.

[Limits]

Originally posted by Lazarus II
Oh yes Ron Dennis the "control freak" as said by the 25 year old wet behind the ears drunk in public spoiled brat.

I'm begining to dislike Kimi. I liked him better when he just mumbled and drove the damn car.

Kimi doesnt want to say bad things about his former boss but confirms one thing:

"Dennis is control freak"

Maybe you should wait until you have read the full translation and gotten the context before going any further in your "dislike" process?;)

I would argue that "He is a controlf freak" means different things depending on how you say it and depending on the relationship you have to the person you say it about. It is not necessarily a bad thing.

[kismet]

I don't think Ron Dennis being a bit of a control freak is exactly a secret. He may have even described himself as such at some point or other if I'm not mistaken.

Anyway, since one of the main points of the freaking interview was that they couldn't get Kimi to say anything nasty about McLaren or Ron Dennis, it's a bit sad - albeit not surprising - that someone still manages to be offended by what little was said.

I admit I haven't read the full interview but, based on the synopsis offered by the publication in question, the context was something like this:

"So, wanna say something nasty about McLaren?"
"Nope."

"How about Ron Dennis then?"
"Nope again."

"Really?"
"Really."

"Oh. Right. Well, the man does have a reputation of being a bit of a control freak, doesn't he?"
"Well, errr.... yes?"

Just saying.

[denthierry]

Originally posted by Lazarus II
Oh yes Ron Dennis the "control freak" as said by the 25 year old wet behind the ears drunk in public spoiled brat.

I'm begining to dislike Kimi. I liked him better when he just mumbled and drove the damn car.

what's wrong about being drunk in public? usually, when i'm drunk, i mostly end-up "in public", even if it's just in a car or a cab, on my way home... :/
Hope you know who lazarus was by the way...

"And Lazarus came to a cheerful Epicurean, and the host met him with laughter on his lips:
"Drink, Lazarus, drink!"—shouted he. "Would not Augustus laugh to see thee drunk!"
And half-naked drunken women laughed, and rose petals fell on Lazarus' blue hands. But then the Epicurean looked into Lazarus' eyes, and his gaiety ended forever. Drunkard remained he for the rest of his life; never did he drink, yet forever was he drunk. But instead of the gay reverie which wine brings with it, frightful dreams began to haunt him, the sole food of his stricken spirit. Day and night he lived in the poisonous vapors of his nightmares, and death itself was not more frightful than her raving, monstrous forerunners."

[Limits]

Originally posted by kismet
I don't think Ron Dennis being a bit of a control freak is exactly a secret. He may have even described himself as such at some point or other if I'm not mistaken.

Anyway, since one of the main points of the freaking interview was that they couldn't get Kimi to say anything nasty about McLaren or Ron Dennis, it's a bit sad - albeit not surprising - that someone still manages to be offended by what little was said.

I admit I haven't read the full interview but, based on the synopsis offered by the publication in question, the context was something like this:

"So, wanna say something nasty about McLaren?"
"Nope."

"How about Ron Dennis then?"
"Nope again."

"Really?"
"Really."

"Oh. Right. Well, the man does have a reputation of being a bit of a control freak, doesn't he?"
"Well, errr.... yes?"

Just saying.

Hehe, wonderful, thank you kismet

So Kimi has confirmed that Ron possibly has a reputation of being a control freak, let's hate him

[Joyce]

Originally posted by kismet
I don't think Ron Dennis being a bit of a control freak is exactly a secret. He may have even described himself as such at some point or other if I'm not mistaken.

Anyway, since one of the main points of the freaking interview was that they couldn't get Kimi to say anything nasty about McLaren or Ron Dennis, it's a bit sad - albeit not surprising - that someone still manages to be offended by what little was said.

I admit I haven't read the full interview but, based on the synopsis offered by the publication in question, the context was something like this:

"So, wanna say something nasty about McLaren?"
"Nope."

"How about Ron Dennis then?"
"Nope again."

"Really?"
"Really."

"Oh. Right. Well, the man does have a reputation of being a bit of a control freak, doesn't he?"
"Well, errr.... yes?"

Just saying.

LOL...I could imagine that.

[yr]

Originally posted by kismet
I don't think Ron Dennis being a bit of a control freak is exactly a secret. He may have even described himself as such at some point or other if I'm not mistaken.

Anyway, since one of the main points of the freaking interview was that they couldn't get Kimi to say anything nasty about McLaren or Ron Dennis, it's a bit sad - albeit not surprising - that someone still manages to be offended by what little was said.

I admit I haven't read the full interview but, based on the synopsis offered by the publication in question, the context was something like this:

"So, wanna say something nasty about McLaren?"
"Nope."

"How about Ron Dennis then?"
"Nope again."

"Really?"
"Really."

"Oh. Right. Well, the man does have a reputation of being a bit of a control freak, doesn't he?"
"Well, errr.... yes?"

Just saying.

Exactly. The point is that in an original interview in Ilta-sanomat ( and yes, I have read it) the wording was: Kimi doesnt want to say anything bad about Mclaren or Ron Dennis, but CONFIRMS that RD is a control freak. So those were the words of interviewer not KR´s.

Then all the lazarus´of this world come here to tell how arrogant is a 25 year old driver who talks like that about Mr Dennis.
In perfect world people would actually find out what has been said/asked in interview before they would decide to hate person who was interviewed for the rest of their life. Well, we are not living in perfect world so...

[Spunout]

Besides, Ron himself is the first person to say he´s a control freak - and proud of it.

[Lazarus II]

The world is full-to-the-brim with 25 year old know-it-alls......I should know, I was one just like everyone else. And at 25years old I'd experienced far more real life than most and I still didn't know anything.
My point is - at 25 years old, you don't know squat...Kimi's no different.

Flame all you'd like, the truth hurts.

[Limits]

Originally posted by Lazarus II
The world is full-to-the-brim with 25 year old know-it-alls......I should know, I was one just like everyone else. And at 25years old I'd experienced far more real life than most and I still didn't know anything.
My point is - at 25 years old, you don't know squat...Kimi's no different.

Flame all you'd like, the truth hurts.

But he is 27 now. Mature ;)

[Menace]

Originally posted by Lazarus II
The world is full-to-the-brim with 25 year old know-it-alls......I should know, I was one just like everyone else. And at 25years old I'd experienced far more real life than most and I still didn't know anything.
My point is - at 25 years old, you don't know squat...Kimi's no different.

Flame all you'd like, the truth hurts.

Look, I am 26 and certainly don't know everything, although I have a vast experience in both travel and living in different parts of the world, having to establish new relationships with people from completely different backgrounds and cultures etc..

However, why exactly are you saying you don't like Kimi? Could it be the case that you probably did not like him so much to begin with, or perhaps you just hate Ferrari? Just saying, there was no flaming in kismets post. It was spot on. Did you, oh so experienced and mighty, think of the context before deciding you "are starting to dislike Kimi"? Seriously? If your so mature surely you can see the bigger picture, including the fact that the article was named "Kimi refuses to say bad things about Mclaren"?

Perhaps you can provide us with a tad deeper analysis why you think Kimi is a spoiled brat? Otherwise I certainly feel that the flamer in this case was no other then you.

[Lazarus II]

Originally posted by Menace




Look, I am 26 and certainly don't know everything, although I have a vast experience in both travel and living in different parts of the world, having to establish new relationships with people from completely different backgrounds and cultures etc..

However, why exactly are you saying you don't like Kimi? Could it be the case that you probably did not like him so much to begin with, or perhaps you just hate Ferrari? Just saying, there was no flaming in kismets post. It was spot on. Did you, oh so experienced and mighty, think of the context before deciding you "are starting to dislike Kimi"? Seriously? If your so mature surely you can see the bigger picture, including the fact that the article was named "Kimi refuses to say bad things about Mclaren"?

Perhaps you can provide us with a tad deeper analysis why you think Kimi is a spoiled brat? Otherwise I certainly feel that the flamer in this case was no other then you.

First things first - I never said I didn't like Kimi. I said "I'm begining to dislike Kimi. I liked him better when he just mumbled and drove the damn car."

Begining to dislike and dislike are two different things.
Kimi refuses to say bad things, yet he calls Ron Dennis a "control freak"

I know some here are not english speaking. So as an english speaker, I will try to help explain as it may be hard for some to translate.

"Control Freak" is a derogatory term for someone who has an obsessive need to control situations or people.

So, in the english language using the term "control freak" is far from a compliment. I have no idea about the Finnish language, is "control freak" a nice thing to say about someone there?

[Limits]

Originally posted by Lazarus II

First things first - I never said I didn't like Kimi. I said "I'm begining to dislike Kimi. I liked him better when he just mumbled and drove the damn car."

Begining to dislike and dislike are two different things.
Kimi refuses to say bad things, yet he calls Ron Dennis a "control freak"

I know some here are not english speaking. So as an english speaker, I will try to help explain as it may be hard for some to translate.

"Control Freak" is a derogatory term for someone who has an obsessive need to control situations or people.

So, in the english language using the term "control freak" is far from a compliment. I have no idea about the Finnish language, is "control freak" a nice thing to say about someone there?

Did you not read kismets post?

[Spunout]

Originally posted by Lazarus II

First things first - I never said I didn't like Kimi. I said "I'm begining to dislike Kimi. I liked him better when he just mumbled and drove the damn car."

Begining to dislike and dislike are two different things.
Kimi refuses to say bad things, yet he calls Ron Dennis a "control freak"

I know some here are not english speaking. So as an english speaker, I will try to help explain as it may be hard for some to translate.

"Control Freak" is a derogatory term for someone who has an obsessive need to control situations or people.

So, in the english language using the term "control freak" is far from a compliment. I have no idea about the Finnish language, is "control freak" a nice thing to say about someone there?

Listen: Ron Dennis has admitted being a control freak in more than one interview, and made it pretty clear he´s proud of it.

[Lazarus II]

Originally posted by Limits

Did you not read kismets post?

You mean this one where Kimi gets baited by a journo into doing something he said he wouldn't "Oh. Right. Well, the man does have a reputation of being a bit of a control freak, doesn't he?"
"Well, errr.... yes?"

Well, err....yes I did.

[Limits]

Originally posted by Lazarus II

You mean this one where Kimi gets baited by a journo into doing something he said he wouldn't "Oh. Right. Well, the man does have a reputation of being a bit of a control freak, doesn't he?"
"Well, errr.... yes?"

Well, err....yes I did.

So... why do you still say that "Kimi refuses to say bad things, yet he calls Ron Dennis a "control freak""?
He does not, you know. At least not that interview.

[Lazarus II]

Burning bridges.

[Limits]

Originally posted by Lazarus II
Burning bridges.

I don't understand what you mean by that?
He is asked (in other words) : "Ron has a reputation of being a control freak?"
He answers: "Yes?"

His answer can be interpreted as:
1. "Yes? Really?"
2. "..and (waiting for a follow up question because the original one can be seen as retorical)?"
3. "He has that reputation, yes"

But it can not be interpreted as a statement "Ron is a control freak" like the thread starter suggested.

I would appreciate if you explain how you interpret it since I am quite puzzled by it and quote interpretations interests me from a pure professional POV. I know the result of your interpretation, but not what leads up to that result.

[jokuvaan]

I only had access to web version, where Kimi is quoted saying "- Hän on kontrollifriikki. "

[HSJ]

Originally posted by Lazarus II
The world is full-to-the-brim with 25 year old know-it-alls......I should know, I was one just like everyone else. And at 25years old I'd experienced far more real life than most and I still didn't know anything.
My point is - at 25 years old, you don't know squat...Kimi's no different.

Flame all you'd like, the truth hurts.

It seems you STILL haven't grown up. Just because you were something or other at 25 doesn't mean everyone are the same at that age. I've been that age too a good while ago. For me it was being 20-ish that seems to have been the turning point (not that you'd notice from my posts on this bb...).

Some people are mature at 15, some people will never mature. But don't think everyone are like you.

[Lazarus II]

Originally posted by HSJ


It seems you STILL haven't grown up. Just because you were something or other at 25 doesn't mean everyone are the same at that age. I've been that age too a good while ago. For me it was being 20-ish that seems to have been the turning point (not that you'd notice from my posts on this bb...).

Some people are mature at 15, some people will never mature. But don't think everyone are like you.

Actually I grew up real fast when I was 18 years old, when the first motor round exploded just a few yards from me. I'm 45 now and still have a ways to go, it's just now I'm not in a hurry to get there.

[yr]

Originally posted by Lazarus II

First things first - I never said I didn't like Kimi. I said "I'm begining to dislike Kimi. I liked him better when he just mumbled and drove the damn car."

Begining to dislike and dislike are two different things.
Kimi refuses to say bad things, yet he calls Ron Dennis a "control freak"

I know some here are not english speaking. So as an english speaker, I will try to help explain as it may be hard for some to translate.

"Control Freak" is a derogatory term for someone who has an obsessive need to control situations or people.

So, in the english language using the term "control freak" is far from a compliment. I have no idea about the Finnish language, is "control freak" a nice thing to say about someone there?

In your first post you said:" blaa blaa blaa, said by 25 year old Kimi"

So you´re an english speaker, then I would expect that you should know the difference between "said" and "confirmed".

In this case, I would call it "putting words in somebodys mouth". Not that it would make any difference for you, you have obviously something else against Kimi and use this as an excuse to start "officially" dislike him.

[giacomo]

Actually being a "control freak" is a positive characteristic for a F1 team manager who is aiming to be successful.

Raikkonen will discover very soon that Jean Todt is just another control freak.

[carbonfibre]

Yes but there might be a difference in approach ofcourse.

[fumes]

Originally posted by Lazarus II

Actually I grew up real fast when I was 18 years old, when the first motor round exploded just a few yards from me. I'm 45 now and still have a ways to go, it's just now I'm not in a hurry to get there.

"Motor round"??? If you mean mortar round, my hat's off to you, but then you've just proven that judging people by their quotes is a mug's game. :