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[angst]

The inability of those involved to be able to see the simple things. F1 could be so much better with just tiny tweaks of the regs.

The aero issues I have addressed on another thread. Simple but effective, requiring little change in the direction of design and improving the problems of aero sensitivity and reducing aero grip (thus decreasing the difference that what aero sensitivity is left will make).

Implement a change to the regs whereby the throttle may not be used as a part of TC (as outlined in the 2008 draft regs, where throttle /pedal position are defined). This will swing the use of TC firmly into the ignition retardation method, not good for the health of the engines so limiting the amount of TC to be used.

Refuelling or tyre changes during a pit-stop - not both together. This will open the door for a wider variety of tactics and will necessarily reduce the race speeds as a full 'reset' can no longer be performed. How much difference might that have made to the 2005 season - whereby Ferrari could compensate for their less durable tyres by carrying more fuel - especially if.....


Qualifying was low fuel throughout. Qualify and then sort out the fuel levels.

[Limits]

The most annoying thing with F1 is that the politics are so prominent and it makes it so difficult to see past it and simply enjoy the sport.

[carbonfibre]

Exactly the problem is politics. The FIA just can't remove all things, the teams have to agree on it as well.

I remember that they already wanted to get rid off TC back in 2003 or so but that didnt go on because sir Frank and Ron Dennis didnt want a ban of TC. Only LC was removed then.

[Spunout]

Originally posted by carbonfibre
Exactly the problem is politics. The FIA just can't remove all things, the teams have to agree on it as well.

I remember that they already wanted to get rid off TC back in 2003 or so but that didnt go on because sir Frank and Ron Dennis didnt want a ban of TC. Only LC was removed then.

And evev that only happened on paper ;) Removing it effectively would have required measures the teams woudln´t have agreed with (banning some of their electronical toys).

[Zoe]

Originally posted by angst
The inability of those involved to be able to see the simple things.

The feeling to be the only one who sees the light must be really frustrating ;)

Don't you think that if it would be so easy, it would have been done before?

Zoe

[Limits]

Originally posted by carbonfibre
I remember that they already wanted to get rid off TC back in 2003 or so but that didnt go on because sir Frank and Ron Dennis didnt want a ban of TC. Only LC was removed then.

You remember it wrong. It was kept because it could not be policed. If Frank and Ron did anything it was to simply prove that "look, I have TC hidden in this little tiny cable here, can you ever spot it"?

I have no problem with you hating Ron, but dont do it for the wrong reasons.

[carbonfibre]

What in that text makes you think i hate Ron? I also mentioned sir Frank Williams so i must hate him as well. Sometimes i have a hard time following what you are trying to say really.

[Ross Stonefeld]

These threads that seemingly have no end...

[HBoss]

Max.

[Limits]

Originally posted by carbonfibre


What in that text makes you think i hate Ron? I also mentioned sir Frank Williams so i must hate him as well. Sometimes i have a hard time following what you are trying to say really.

Nothing in that text spells out hate (what a silly word in this context) altough the example in itself indicates that your heart does not lie in either Williams or McLaren. But when combining your posts a pattern becomes clear. Do you deny it?;)

[carbonfibre]

Certainly.

I have no hatred towards Ron and most certainly not towards sir Frank Williams. Both men have accomplished a lot in their F1 careers, won world title's etc etc. But i would prefer Frank over Ron outside of the accomplishments yes that is true. But most certainly not hatred.

I assume this has to do with the last thread about "Ron not letting Kimi go"? I think you got the wrong signal there.

[Limits]

Ok, my mistake

[carbonfibre]

Originally posted by Limits
Ok, my mistake

No problem, things like that happen, especially on a discussion board.

[Lifew12]

I think the most frustrating thing is that, despite an absolutely incredible amount of niggling, irritating, ridiculous factors of the engineering, political and racing side of F1, I can still find no reason not to love it.

[lukywill]

manufactors and nasty poor sport people. fortunately next year we don´t have anymore ms and todt.

[F1Fanatic.co.uk]

What annoys me most about F1 is that there is no way for me to watch it live and uninterrupted - not on a pay channel, not online, nowhere. That is pathetic.

[carbonfibre]

Euh Jean Todt is still there lukywill, im sure you will be amused to hear this.;)

[lukywill]

nã. he sure isn´t on track anymore. but you have some reason to it. i still hate ferrari today by todt remaining president.

[lukywill]

mainly cars look the same. it´s like having creativity locked up and guys like thiessen look fools when talking for a ban of 'no original cars'.

[Limits]

Originally posted by lukywill
mainly cars look the same. it´s like having creativity locked up and guys like thiessen look fools when talking for a ban of 'no original cars'.

Good point. When all the cars look the same in a non spec series, something is wrong.

[Gemini]

... us.

Us, fans who continue bitching about how bad F1 is, but continue to waste every second summer Sunday afternoon watching it ;)

Us fans who dig for €200+ to get baked in sun for whole day and wait in lines to toitoi toilets to see cars passing by for 100 minutes ;)

We fans, viewers and consumers, we pay for this 'monster' to get more fat and lazy, every single year...

If for once...we would stay away from F1 for a season... .........

[tifosi]

I think I'll have to agree with Zoe on this one. I find it incredible that there are adult humans who actually believe Max sits in some room planning ways to make F1 fans miserable.

I also find it pretty incredible that people who seemingly think so little of F1 spend countless hours following it. That in itself is often pretty amusing.

"But I follow it because of the glory days back in the 60s"

Well that was 40 years ago, time to get a life if you think the sport is so bad.

[lukywill]

you are forgetting the force of addition.

[HP]

Originally posted by lukywill
you are forgetting the force of addition.

Funny typo

[Limits]

Originally posted by tifosi
I think I'll have to agree with Zoe on this one. I find it incredible that there are adult humans who actually believe Max sits in some room planning ways to make F1 fans miserable.

I also find it pretty incredible that people who seemingly think so little of F1 spend countless hours following it. That in itself is often pretty amusing.

"But I follow it because of the glory days back in the 60s"

Well that was 40 years ago, time to get a life if you think the sport is so bad.

I doubt that Max main objective is to make the fans miserable, but I also doubt that his main objecytive is to make them happy. Fans are a necessary evil in all sports.

But maybe the problem is not F1, the problem is that motorsport in general have very little coverage and in many countries the only series you can truly follow is F1. If you are a motorsport fan living far away from an active track, TV is your only hope and on that TV there is only F1. If there was a genuine possibility to follow another category of motorsport I think maybe the situation would be different. But in reality, the true motorsport enthusiasts are quite few and selling commercials during the broadcasts of for instance a Formula Ford race is propably not an easy task. Fotball is to blame. Ban it.

[Ricardo F1]

The fact they won't return to 12 lap qualifying. I cannot fathom that everyone doesn't agree it's better than every alternative charade that's followed.

[lukywill]

Originally posted by HP
Funny typo

it´s that evil google.

[Sakae]

- Qualifying (12 lap format is the one I like)
- Never ending changes in technical regulations
- Aero went too far
- Commercial bickering
- Inconsistencies on part of Stewards of the Race
- TV presentation could be more professional
- Tracks hasn't kept up in terms of development with the cars
- Trend we see in changing tracks
- FIA' involvement; too often, too much, too... of everything
- Ownership at the end of the grid resembles more of a cash-cow, than realistic involvement of someone who can stay-in for a while...

Otherwise I am fine.

[Owen]

Frustating things about F1: There's heaps but here's some that spring to mind.

- there's not enough overtaking
- the whole FIA / Ferrari bias
- Only 2 constructors ever challenge for the lead on any one season nowadays
- The quality of ITV's coverage, with a special mention to Mark Blundell who cannot even speak english
- pit stop strategys dictating race wins rather than overtaking
- engine failures dictating race wins and qualifying positions
- It's not on the telly in the winter

[WHITE]

The most frustrating thing about F1 is... everything around F1

[littlewoodenboy]

Originally posted by HBoss
Max.

brilliant

[marcus1234]

The rubbish TV production of races. It seems to be getting worse.

Most of the directors are crap, a few races are shown ok.

Personally i like all the politics, without it the races wouldn't be any better. It only detracts from the racing if you switch the TV off and go and read about during the race. Plus I wouldn't have anything to read about when I am at work.

[Viceroy]

The races are too short.

[Jacquesback]

The arrogant know-it-all fans.

[Lazarus II]

electronic gizmos.

They belong on street cars not F1 cars.

I'd like to see F1 cars so difficult to drive that literally only 20 people in the world could handle them, not any old F3 driver that plops into them.

[CatharticF1]

That it's run as a business rather than a sport.

The decisions that we all tend to complain about typically make sense only when you consider the financial outcome.

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally posted by angst
The inability of those involved to be able to see the simple things. F1 could be so much better with just tiny tweaks of the regs.

The aero issues I have addressed on another thread. Simple but effective, requiring little change in the direction of design and improving the problems of aero sensitivity and reducing aero grip (thus decreasing the difference that what aero sensitivity is left will make).

Implement a change to the regs whereby the throttle may not be used as a part of TC (as outlined in the 2008 draft regs, where throttle /pedal position are defined). This will swing the use of TC firmly into the ignition retardation method, not good for the health of the engines so limiting the amount of TC to be used.

Brilliant.

Refuelling or tyre changes during a pit-stop - not both together. This will open the door for a wider variety of tactics and will necessarily reduce the race speeds as a full 'reset' can no longer be performed.

Superb idea.

Do the FIA bashers like or dislike this though? They tend to complain about regulations that are "artificial"... They may be prone to make comments such as "stupid FIA decrees that pit stops shall be for refuel or new tyres only, not both, in other news Mosley is a moron the racing should be on the track not allocated based on how many tricks your team circus monkeys can perform in 3 minutes etc."

[Limits]

Originally posted by V8 Fireworks
Superb idea.

Do the FIA bashers like or dislike this though?

No, they don't like it ;)

Seriously, easiest way is to simple make the pitstops take longer time. Maybe one guy per wheel, no refuelling while car is on jacks (that CAN be justified as non-artificial becaus eit is safer) and very low pit speed limit. Maybe simply halve the allowed pit lane speed would do, so that the people that gets a hard-on from them fast F1 pitsops (they are, I am sure, all TV producers) can get their fill.

[metz]

Ban all rules that interfere with the racing. I'm still ticked at the 2 race engine.

Ban all rules that were introduced to reduce cost, since they did not.

Bring back Friday testing for the lower teams, or any such measure that might help close the gap.

Equalize the funding, or any such measure that may help close the gap.

But the most frustrating thing is the willy-nilly FIA decisions. That's got to stop...

[Rexx Havoc]

That Nick Heidfield thinks he has 10 years left in F1

[The Kanisteri]

Frustrating?

I can only think one. Extreme stupid fanboys in F1 related forums.

[metz]

Originally posted by Rexx Havoc
That Nick Heidfield thinks he has 10 years left in F1

You have him confused with DC...

[angst]

Originally posted by Zoe

The feeling to be the only one who sees the light must be really frustrating ;)

Don't you think that if it would be so easy, it would have been done before?

Zoe

No. because everybody's so busy sorting out the 'gravy train' they don't give a sh*t about the fans. Why have they put any aerodynamic changes 'on the backburner' until at least 2009. Everybody knows there is a problem with aero sensitivity - are they so stupid that they can't come up with anything for three years? No, but they can't be arsed.

[Zoe]

Originally posted by angst
are they so stupid that they can't come up with anything for three years? No, but they can't be arsed.

Who is they ?

Zoe

[marcus123]

Unfortunately in this day and age, all the major sport/businesses will care about the fans only as a source of revenue or target for marketing.

[memo77]

Trying to change all the tracks to fit the cars, instead of change the cars to fit the great tracks out there.

All problem I see in F1 are related to the cars: aero, brakes... .... ....

[Juan Kerr]

The men that run it and their greed.

[John B]

Biggest frustration is getting away from things that worked well to begin with which are often lacking in other series - tracks, qualifying (though this year's was better than the previous), technical restraints, points system weighed towards winners, etc.

[ASD]

Other than the politics...

people who go on and on about conspiracy theories, and/or whocantb botherd type coheenrnt post's.

[312 PB]

Coverage in every medium: from the weak race coverage on tele to the "analysis" afterward, i.e., slobbering "journalism." Truly pathetic from top to bottom.

But at least everyone "involved" is putting food on the table.