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[cosworth bdg]

Where abouts are the Globe Products developed and built 2 valve Twin Cam Cylinder Heads [ Ford Windsor V8] as fitted to the ex Globe Products Elfin 400 in the 1960's .....

[Ray Bell]

Somebody was asking that question about two years ago...

I don't know if they got any answers either. Very interesting project, hope it hasn't all been scrapped.

[David Shaw]

I was just reading about them in a newly acquired RCN today. Apparently the fuel injection system ended up on Pete Geoghegan's '67 Mustang.

[jcurran]

Very good question, I know they are no longer with the Globe Elfin.
JC

[Brian Lear]

Originally posted by cosworth bdg
Where abouts are the Globe Products developed and built 2 valve Twin Cam Cylinder Heads [ Ford Windsor V8] as fitted to the ex Globe Products Elfin 400 in the 1960's .....

I am sure that "kaydee" can tell us much more about these when he has finished telling us about
Harold Clisby's many interesting projects.

Brian Lear
Elfin Register

[cosworth bdg]

Originally posted by Brian Lear


I am sure that "kaydee" can tell us much more about these when he has finished telling us about
Harold Clisby's many interesting projects.

Brian Lear
Elfin Register

Brian, we are trying to find out where the are, it is a mystery to "all"....................

[David Shaw]

The Elfin 400 was advertised for sale in the classifieds of Racing Car News, January, 1969 less engine. It then states:

A complete 289 Cobra Ford V8 motor is alwo
available or we will supply one of our Globe-
Ford 4-cam conversions to order P.O.A.
Kevin Drage, Globe Products P/L

Was there more than one set of these heads made?

[kaydee]

Only one engine was ever built - but I think a spare set of heads were cast but never machined.

The completed engine, patterns, tooling and spares were sold in the early '70's to a newly formed engine re-conditioning business in Sydney who intended to manufacture kits or complete engines.

However, I believe that the two owners parted company soon after and the business subsequently closed down. I have not seen or heard of the engine since.

One of the owners was Peter Glover who worked for Brian Foley at one time and subsequently I think moved to Qld. The other partner was David Jones??? who used to race a sports car in NSW?

The fuel injection equipment was sold to Pete Geoghegan for use on his Mustang.

[xbgs351]

Do you have any more photos of this engine?

[kaydee]

Originally posted by xbgs351
Do you have any more photos of this engine?

Here's a colour photo with 48IDA Webers fitted.


A B&W slightly side on view


Partly assembled with Lucas Petrol injection.

[David M. Kane]

RPMs and bhp figures?

[xbgs351]

Great stuff. Any photos of the motors components?

[kaydee]

Originally posted by David M. Kane
RPMs and bhp figures?

It's a long time ago (late sixties) - but I think it was around 400bhp @7,000 rpm on carburettors.
Very little development work was done on the engine as the Australian race rules were changed soon afterwards to ban the use of DOHC V8 engines in sports cars.

Originally posted by xbgs351
Great stuff. Any photos of the motors components?

No, unfortunately not - other than the kit of components shown in a previous post.
There was a set of Petrol Injection equipment but this was never fitted to the Globe engine.
It was later sold to Pete Geoghegan for fitting to his Mustang.


Globe-Lucas V8 Petrol Injection equipment

Globe-Lucas P I equipment fitted to the Geoghegan Mustang.

[xbgs351]

Only one engine was ever built - but I think a spare set of heads were cast but never machined.

The completed engine, patterns, tooling and spares were sold in the early '70's to a newly formed engine re-conditioning business in Sydney who intended to manufacture kits or complete engines.

However, I believe that the two owners parted company soon after and the business subsequently closed down. I have not seen or heard of the engine since.

One of the owners was Peter Glover who worked for Brian Foley at one time and subsequently I think moved to Qld. The other partner was David Jones??? who used to race a sports car in NSW?

The fuel injection equipment was sold to Pete Geoghegan for use on his Mustang.

Peter Glover as in Glover Engineering the guy who raced all of the Cheetahs in Formula 2?

[Ray Bell]

That would be another Peter Glover...

He was well known around Sydney circles and helped prepare a lot of cars.

By the way, I don't recall any rule change that precluded twin cam engines in what was then Group A or Sports Racing cars. The Matich SR4, for instance, and Lionel Ayers' Rennmax kept going for many years afterwards.

[Fred.R]

Vague recollections of a write up (Street Machine magazine ?) of some one (in Sydney?) with the engine and tooling looking for interest in kits that they were going to make, had photos of the engine and maybe some castings but I could be wrong.

[kaydee]

That would be another Peter Glover...

He was well known around Sydney circles and helped prepare a lot of cars.

By the way, I don't recall any rule change that precluded twin cam engines in what was then Group A or Sports Racing cars. The Matich SR4, for instance, and Lionel Ayers' Rennmax kept going for many years afterwards.

I think that the Peter Glover in question was originally from the UK and as well as working as a mechanic with Brian Foley he also worked for Fred Gibson at one time. My last contact details were an (07) number which would indicate he had moved to Queensland.

Ray, the rule change (if I remember correctly) was not to preclude twin cam engines but quad cam engines - particularly those of the Repco Brabham variety being fitted into the likes of an SR3/4 and in the hands of Frank being virtually unbeatable.

Edited by kaydee, 19 November 2009 - 01:27.

[Ray Bell]

Well, it might have been proposed, Kevin, but it never eventuated...

Like I mentioned, Matich continued long after the Globe engine stopped running, and then Lionel Ayers had a quad cam.

Perhaps the change was mooted?

And yes, the Peter Glover of whom I spoke was from England. I last saw him in Sydney, I'm sure, but he could well have moved north.

[kaydee]

Although the Globe-Ford engine is still "lost" I can now add a few more details.

 

As mentioned earlier in this thread the Globe-Ford engine was originally purchased from Globe by a David Jones and a Peter Glover.

I did eventually manage to track down both of these guys.

However, by the time I got onto the track of right David Jones I found out that he had passed away some two years previously.

I also found someone who knew his wife but she had moved and they didn't have any current contact details for her.

 

I also managed to locate the correct Peter Glover and spoke with him.

Peter said that David Jones had sold the engine and that he (Peter) had boxed up the engine ready for shipping.

He thinks that the crated engine was picked up by someone from WA who was towing an Alfa race or rally car on a trailer.

 

I have checked with a couple of my Perth contacts but nobody has heard, seen or remembered anything of the engine in the West.

This of course maybe a wild goose chase as it is around 50 years ago and Peter's memory is a bit vague on the details 

 

Unless any more details surface we seem to have hit a brick wall!

 

Kevin

 

 

[SJ Lambert]

Goldy will have a dilema if you do manage to turn them up Kevin!!

 

 

 

[Lee Nicolle]

Was there ever any real power advantages of these heads? Or better driveability?

I have read about OHC TOHC modifications for Chevs and Fords for decades. 

But they never seem to have made any more power than the original configurations.

And ofcourse the aftermarket stuff for those engines are making considerably more power now than in those days.

Talking to Chris Milton a couple of years back and he reckons that just the modern camshafts, lighter reciprocating components that there is a lot more power for a 5000 engine now than in the day. Even just the way those old heads are ported now shows increases without  the huge array of aftermarket heads. 

Even Boss 302 heads from that period with modern valves etc make great power if somewhat air speed limited!!  The modern canted valve heads in V8SC probably  make a 150 hp over what was available then. A 12-1 Supercar engine in a 5000 would be  magic now. Where is Stans Elfin!

[opplock]

Lee,

 

Your figures are consistent with what my contacts in NZ told me on a recent visit - the leading runners in F5000 have 650bhp on tap. Several of those who can't afford the uprated engines no longer race.    

[SJ Lambert]

I have received a few boxes of Kodachrome slides from Gippslander Tom Thompson.  This frame was at the end of a strip and was almost unsalvageable - but I managed to make it sort of presentable