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Posted 22 February 2007 - 09:35
Originally posted by VoLGio
I hope that this coverage of Moto GP won't give less space to the motorsport info.
This week, for example, we (only motorsport fans) are missing some pages on the Weekly Journal.
I'm happy that autosport will cover Moto GP because I use to watch it but please, mantein the same level on the four wheeled series.
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Posted 22 February 2007 - 13:15
Originally posted by babbel
As bira always says (and probably will later on ;) ) everything added is an extra. It's not a replacement for other things it's simple more information for the same price. If you don't like MotoGP then there will still be the "old" things to read.
Ofcourse this issue was more MotoGP minded because it was the launch of the MotoGP part.
Posted 22 February 2007 - 13:39
Posted 22 February 2007 - 14:00
Originally posted by scdecade
Do I enjoy MotoGP too? Yes. But there seems little chance that autsport.com will offer a service that is even remotely comparable to motogp.com. They cover MotoGP better than autosport.com covers F1. That's a problem. And it's free. And it's available in multiple languages. And it has video.
Posted 22 February 2007 - 14:01
Posted 22 February 2007 - 14:09
Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
You must go to a different MotoGP.com than I do.
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Posted 22 February 2007 - 15:39
Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
You realise MotoGP is the actual commercial rights holder, so its fairly easy for them to give away live video. If you wanted to compare motogp.com to f1.com that'd be one thing, but you might as well compare autosport.com to Carnival Cruise line while you're at it. And sadly, we can't offer you an ocean view either.
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Posted 22 February 2007 - 15:56
Originally posted by bira
:yawn:
Interesting how you selected an off-season issue and compared it to a GP preview issue. Let's talk again after the Australian GP. Or, actually, let's not.
I guess I prefer reading newspapers for my political news rather than getting the amazing free live coverage of the Parliament discussions...
Posted 22 February 2007 - 16:05
Originally posted by scdecade
2006: Issue 4, Jan 25th
Point to Prove
Interview with Rory Byrne
Dodgy Business
The Weekly Grapevine
[doesn't include Scarb's always excellent tech analyses because it doesn't compare to 2007]
Posted 22 February 2007 - 16:07
Posted 22 February 2007 - 16:09
Originally posted by scdecade
Intersting how you're still deluding yourself. As was explained in plain, simple words I compared the issues prior to the season preview issues. "We're talking about the 2007 journal prior to the season preview issue. Here are what we received in past years:" Apples to apples. In the past we used to get the particular Grand Prix preview before the season preview. You should know that but you don't. Why?
Believe me this extended explaination of the bait-and-switch that's been foisted on me is extremely boring and unpleasurable. Thanks for nothing. I look forward to not speaking with you again as well.
Posted 22 February 2007 - 16:28
I constantly say this: the decision whether you need a subscription or want a subscription is a personal one. I cancelled a couple of months ago a subscription to a website I was a member of for nearly seven years, simply because I realised I lost interest and haven't actually used it more than twice in six months. Fine. I didn't think they are rubbish, I just thought they no longer offer me something I want to pay for. What's the big drama about it?
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Posted 22 February 2007 - 17:02
Originally posted by bira
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My one demand, though, is that you leave personal attacks/digs/insults out of this debate. scdecade, you can argue this topic as passionately as you want, but stick to the topic and don't post about the posters.
Originally posted by bira
.... Others, (like Dudley) will say this is outrageous, as we're running material from elsewhere and not something that was produced originally and exclusively *just* for the .com subscribers...
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Posted 22 February 2007 - 17:05
We have a few things coming in the next few weeks. Some are directly relevant to the subscription and some are bigger than that. Some people will see these things as added value and some will see it as a dilution of content. The best example I can give is that we're about to start running the features and columns from Autosport on the website, along with (not instead of) our own weekly journal. This will be available to our subs only, and that content will appear a few days after the mag is out (so as not to hurt its store sales, obviously). Now some people - I think such as JForce, who is from NZ and has no wish or way of subscribing to Autosport - will find this as a great added value. He will be able to read Mark Hughes' column, Nigel Roebuck's, interviews, etc. Others, (like Dudley) will say this is outrageous, as we're running material from elsewhere and not something that was produced originally and exclusively *just* for the .com subscribers...
Posted 22 February 2007 - 17:06
Originally posted by jcbc3
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm,
I agree with you on the topic Bira (as stated above), but isn't that double standards?
Posted 22 February 2007 - 17:20
Originally posted by bira
As has already been pointed out, given that we have launched our MotoGP coverage today, we felt it only right to devote extra coverage and space for it. Does it come at the expense of F1 coverage? Yes and no.
Yes, in that without the MotoGP, we'd have had two-three other articles. But the reality is that this year is actually a very difficult one: look back at how our journal normally runs, you'll see it's primarily dependent on the events it is tied to.
So we got GP Preview issues and GP Reviews issues during the season; season preview and review issues; and during the off-season, in January and February, we traditionally followed the launches with tech analysis and interviews.
This year, all the launches pretty much took place in the span of like a week. And with far less testing this year than in previous years, the opportunities for interviews or, hell, just getting material for analysis is far stricter than before.
At the same time, I can honestly say, as an F1 fan and as an editor, that I find Scarbs' MotoGP tech analysis this week (which is in no small part about F1 too, in fact) and Toby's MotoGP analysis far more entertaining, informative and rewarding - to both read and edit - than some kind of forcibly manufactured article that is done simply to rack up the numbers.
I constantly say this: the decision whether you need a subscription or want a subscription is a personal one. I cancelled a couple of months ago a subscription to a website I was a member of for nearly seven years, simply because I realised I lost interest and haven't actually used it more than twice in six months. Fine. I didn't think they are rubbish, I just thought they no longer offer me something I want to pay for. What's the big drama about it?
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Originally posted by bira
Why is that a personal insult?I was referring specifically to what Dudley said about us running articles from the magazine.
Posted 22 February 2007 - 19:37
Originally posted by Dudley
No. That was an attack. You're putting words in my mouth about a service I haven't commented on.
There was absolutely no reason for a "Such as Dudley" there. Actually I was one of the big supporters of the "Scanned magazine" service there USED to be, so having part of that making a return would not be something I would complain about.
It's inaccurate anyway. I objected to the wholesale reprint of old content from NON-AUTOSPORT haymarket magazines, during the off season which I believed (and still do) was nothing more than in house advertising which I proved to my personal satisfaction DID repace journal content when we had this debate in 2005. My reaction was that it was one of a stream of things that made me not resubscribe for 2006 (as you suggested someone do). I don't believe I've commented on anything sitewise in any detail since and the fact you'd drag up a reasonable debate from 2 years ago entirely at random certainly does seem pretty personal. (and presumably related to the spoiler discussion recently)
I was actually going to defend the Moto-GP coverage here but apparently there's no point since (!uote) "people like Dudley", seemingly said in the same tone as other people would say "people like THEM" whilst pointing at a homosexual couple, would only complain.
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Posted 22 February 2007 - 21:33
MotoGP or any other kind of Motorracing isn't just my thing I like to watch.Originally posted by F1Johnny
I find it amazing that people that love motorsports/F1 would not like Moto GP. Just my opinion. [/B]
Posted 22 February 2007 - 21:50