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[Owen]

Originally posted by RDM

Then why do you support McLaren.

Or do you believe McLaren take a more ethical approach than Ferrari. If so, and people have taken the effort to explain McLaren are just as dirty as Ferrari but you don't - for whatever reason - wish to accept it, then fine, but you are really just admitting that Ron has successfully conned you.

All the leading teams push the limits, and fight dirty, it's just that I'm willing to accept that Ferrari are not shy of a bit of politicking and you are not willing to accept the same truth about McLaren.

Getting on some moral high horse about "believing in being sporting whilst I am the polar opposite" simply highlights the absurdity of your position and your gullibility in believing hook, line and sinker McLaren's spin.

Can you not accept that McLaren fight as dirty as McLaren? No need to be embarrassed, embrace the truth and you'll feel free!

I don't agree with you, and that's where this ends. goodbye (until the next time)

[Anomnader]

Yes totally in conjunction with a favourable FIA. And your credability went out the window when you mentioned not only Williams active suspension as illegal, this was legal until a rule change made them illegal, much the same with the Mass Dampers which was passed by FIA until they need to stage manage the championship a bit.

[Owen]

Originally posted by Ciao


Not being capable of seeing a sport for what it really is gives you even less credibility and shows quite some nationalistic bias. I apologize, I am sorry for the full of it comment. I just find it so immature and childish to always invoke the bogeyman in a onesided manner.

Believing that Ferrari can outsmart, cheat and suppress McLaren, Toyota, Honda, Renault, Williams, Red Bull, Mercedes, BMW and get away with it....sorry, who is credible??? one has to have very limited understanding of this sport or such a deeply rooted bias/nationalistic sense to completly become unable to see reality. The total revenues of the Almighty Bogeyman Ferrari team would be a mere footnote in the Toyota Corporation annual report. And you believe this team is capable of playing cat and mouse with all these giants at the same time for all these years????? That is really sad, really.

Again, bocce is more like the sport for you.

PS. By the way, Ferrari or not, Renault still trashed McLaren in the past 2 years. Maybe you should stop finding excuses to your nationalistic bias

Of all the things to hang an argument on; nationalist bias!
Every team in the pitlane is full of people from various countries. Mclaren is funded by germans and arabs among others! This is definitelly not about hating or bashing Italy. It's more about sporting integrity.

[Tigershark]

I really don't know.

I can see Alonso snatching the WDC, but Ferrari is my clear favourite for the WCC.

[Ciao]

I don't agree with you, and that's where this ends. goodbye (until the next time)

It is typical of people who ignore reality to leave without substantiating their claims.

This is definitelly not about hating or bashing Italy. It's more about sporting integrity.

I didn't see it as bashing Italy, just pro-British. But I take your word and accept it is not about nationality. But if it is about integrity and you swear it is about integrity alone.....than I am sorry, but you cannot support Ron Dennis. He wouldn't be the single most powerful man in F1 otherwise (don't forget Todt is just a manager, he owns nothing. Ones he steps down, he is gone. Dennis owns shares....).

Believeing Ron Dennis is a honest hardworking bloke with total unconditional integrity without a record of dirty tricks and politicking.......well, wow..... it's delusional. Really.

[Arnold Layne]

I voted option number 3. Felipe will have his ups and downs during the season, but he will eventually walk away with the championship. I reckon it will be decided before the final race, not much before that though, Kimi and Fernando will give their best to ensure that. Anyway, Massa will become the firs Brazilian champion since Ayrton Senna!

[kar]

Originally posted by Anomnader
Yes totally in conjunction with a favourable FIA. And your credability went out the window when you mentioned not only Williams active suspension as illegal, this was legal until a rule change made them illegal, much the same with the Mass Dampers which was passed by FIA until they need to stage manage the championship a bit.

And your credibility suffers when you make blanket statements accusing the FIA of 'stage managing' the championship without one shred of evidence save for conspiracy theorist's conjecture.

[RDM]

Originally posted by Owen
...It's more about sporting integrity.

Do you believe McLaren have more integrity than Ferrari? Yes or no?

[Owen]

Originally posted by RDM

Do you believe McLaren have more integrity than Ferrari? Yes or no?

... and the answer is... absolutely.
cue the rabid response.

[Ricardo F1]

I doubt that, I reckon they both have a reasonable amount of integrity but when the other (or anyone else) pushes the limits of the law they are both somewhat hypocritical in arguing against it - albeit absolutely right to do so. The difference is the FIA, not Ferrari and McLaren.

[RDM]

Originally posted by Owen


... and the answer is... absolutely.
cue the rabid response.

Heh. Well, I hate to give you bad news, but....

[Owen]

Originally posted by RDM

Heh. Well, I hate to give you bad news, but....

what? Ron is a crook? ok, I guess you thought that.

[kar]

Originally posted by Ricardo F1
I doubt that, I reckon they both have a reasonable amount of integrity but when the other (or anyone else) pushes the limits of the law they are both somewhat hypocritical in arguing against it - albeit absolutely right to do so. The difference is the FIA, not Ferrari and McLaren.

[jokuvaan]

The last test is correct moment for prediction in my opinion.

Last test is too late for predictions because we already know quite well who is where. Correct time was last fall when there was proper challenge in it.

[Mauseri]

Originally posted by jokuvaan
Last test is too late for predictions because we already know quite well who is where. Correct time was last fall when there was proper challenge in it.

We only think we know who is where. Prediction is funnier if it's based on supposed knowledge and not just on random pick.

[COUGAR508]

Originally posted by Tigershark
I really don't know.

I can see Alonso snatching the WDC, but Ferrari is my clear favourite for the WCC.

I would agree. Massa will probably score more points than Lewis Hamilton, and that will compensate for any differential between Alonso and Raikkonen.