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#1351 lyntonh

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Posted 06 May 2019 - 09:34

Frank Matich, Matich A52(?) leading Frank Radisich in the McLaren M10B Warwick Farm Tasman round 197210593-F-Matich-72-lo.jpg

Kevin Bartlett in 5.

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Frank Radisich in 50.

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#1352 ellrosso

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Posted 06 May 2019 - 10:43

Thanks Lynton.



#1353 lyntonh

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Posted 06 May 2019 - 11:05

Sorry, Lindsay, in my enthusiasm, I was a bit abrupt....

 

That's a nice photo, I wish more of mine were in colour.

 

I reckon your photo was on lap one, like this shot of mine.  This was the only time anybody saw Frank from that close until after the end of the race.

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#1354 E1pix

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Posted 06 May 2019 - 15:28

Nothing like properly starting the week with a dose of Vitamin 5.

Thanks, distributors. :-)

#1355 Wirra

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Posted 09 May 2019 - 04:32

After having these slides tucked away in their boxes for decades I'd subsequent erroneously classified this one to be of Colin Bond. Didn't Bondy drive a second Matich M10A/M10B in a Tasman Series?

 

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Also, I'd previously connected Radisich's Cambridge sponsorship to Matich's Rothmans backing. Were Rothmans and Cambridge from the same parent company? Can someone clarify if there was any partnering of Matich and Radisich?

 

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#1356 opplock

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Posted 09 May 2019 - 06:49

 

 

 

Also, I'd previously connected Radisich's Cambridge sponsorship to Matich's Rothmans backing. Were Rothmans and Cambridge from the same parent company? Can someone clarify if there was any partnering of Matich and Radisich?

 

 

 

In the bottom photo the logo shows Rothmans in smaller lettering above Cambridge. Previously in NZ we'd had Team Lexington which I assume was yet another Rothmans brand.  

 

I wasn't aware of any partnership between Matich and Radisich. The story in NZ was that Colin Bond tested the car and set very competitive times. As a result Matich decided to sell the car to Radisich, who didn't.  



#1357 ellrosso

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Posted 09 May 2019 - 09:03

Yes Colin drove the car - here he is (in driving suit) with his wife Robin alongside. The bloke in glasses is Larry Perkins of course...  Ray would have more info re the opportunity falling through for Colin - money or lack there of more than likely i'd imagine.

Wouldn't have been lack of talent that's for sure.

 

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#1358 lyntonh

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Posted 09 May 2019 - 10:23

As I know it, Colin Bond drove the M10B for Matich in the1971 AGP, and then the car was sold to Frank Radisich for the Tasman 72 series.

 

I believe that the AGP was CB's only appearance in the car. In my pictures of the car in that race, it wore number 2.



#1359 yasmin

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Posted 09 May 2019 - 11:33

Colin Bond drove the M10B  at the Rothmans Speed Week meet at surfers paradise, 7th november 1971.

This was practise for the 71 AGP; he won quite convincingly



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#1360 lyntonh

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Posted 09 May 2019 - 11:48

Colin Bond drove the M10B  at the Rothmans Speed Week meet at surfers paradise, 7th november 1971.

This was practise for the 71 AGP; he won quite convincingly

That explains the number 3 in the photo posted earlier.



#1361 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 09 May 2019 - 11:52

Yes Colin drove the car - here he is (in driving suit) with his wife Robin alongside. The bloke in glasses is Larry Perkins of course...  Ray would have more info re the opportunity falling through for Colin - money or lack there of more than likely i'd imagine.

Wouldn't have been lack of talent that's for sure.

 

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And both of those blokes have not changed a whole lot in all of that time.



#1362 yasmin

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Posted 09 May 2019 - 12:05

That explains the number 3 in the photo posted earlier.

 

i was told there was a mix-up at the 71 AGP, and Colin was given number 3 during practise and qualifying, but raced as number 2.



#1363 lyntonh

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Posted 09 May 2019 - 12:29

i was told there was a mix-up at the 71 AGP, and Colin was given number 3 during practise and qualifying, but raced as number 2.

I have no photos of CB in the wet session in the morning. My photos of him the afternoon session show him with number 2.

A mystery.....



#1364 yasmin

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Posted 09 May 2019 - 12:55

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is this warwick farm, morning..??



#1365 lyntonh

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Posted 09 May 2019 - 13:22

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is this warwick farm, morning..??

I really like that you’ve found that photo.
It's either Friday private practice, or Saturday morning before the rain. (Probably Friday,.....they look like slicks.)
My first shots on Saturday are all in very wet conditions.
The first photo I took.....as I remember it, I was there at the start of the session, and taking shots as they started arriving, and John Harvey was first car out.
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Looks like it had been raining for a while, I can't remember....

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Edited by lyntonh, 09 May 2019 - 13:48.


#1366 Ray Bell

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Posted 09 May 2019 - 14:36

Sorry, chaps...

 

I know nothing more of the Bond/Matich deal. Except that Colin blitzed everyone in the wet practice, streets ahead.

 

I watched that from the flag point near the commentary box at Creek Corner.



#1367 ellrosso

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Posted 10 May 2019 - 03:39

Amazing Ray..... I think Bond's last openwheeler race was in the funny Vee with the high exhaust at W Farm in either '69 or '70 - up at the pointy end of course. In 1971 he was racing and rallying XU-1's - and winning in both disciplines. He was a hillclimb champion in the Lynx.(see pic)8963-F-CBond-67-lo.jpg...... He hops in a F5000 at one of the most technical tracks in the country in the wet and blitzes them. Incredible - who else could do all that!



#1368 Ray Bell

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Posted 10 May 2019 - 10:24

He also raced the Brabham BT43 later in the seventies...

 

By that time, as he tells the story, he reckoned he was past his best.



#1369 ellrosso

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Posted 15 May 2019 - 10:04

Just reading an article on Bond in a 1975 RCN the F5000 Matich association ended when Frank sold the car and Colin decided to stick with the security of the Toranas for his living as he had sold the roll bar business by that stage.



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Posted 15 July 2019 - 02:20

John Walker Lola T332 Adelaide International Raceway circa 1974.

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Posted 15 July 2019 - 02:29

Another the same day.

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#1372 ellrosso

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Posted 15 July 2019 - 07:06

Only shot I have with Colin in the Brabham BT43 F5000 - not much to go on I'm afraid..... McRae in the McRae GM3 next to him of course.1305-L-MRae-78-lo.jpg



#1373 E1pix

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Posted 16 July 2019 - 04:28

John Walker Lola T332 Adelaide International Raceway circa 1974.
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Thanks for sharing this!

Hate to be pedantic, but it's a T330.

#1374 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 16 July 2019 - 08:03

John Walker Lola T332 Adelaide International Raceway circa 1974.

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When did the pit gate change? Gate is armco, in my day [80s and 90s] it was a flush fitting concrete gate in that same hole.



#1375 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 16 July 2019 - 08:03

Thanks for sharing this!

Hate to be pedantic, but it's a T330.

With a Holden I believe.

And to me that pic epitimises 5000s. Look fast, big wings and airboxes.


Edited by Lee Nicolle, 16 July 2019 - 08:07.


#1376 JacnGille

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Posted 17 July 2019 - 00:47

Thanks for sharing this!

Hate to be pedantic, but it's a T330.

To quote Gene Wilder from "Young Frankenstein"...Damn your eyes!



#1377 E1pix

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Posted 17 July 2019 - 01:11

We got to see a T330 run a few weeks ago.

Sadly though, it's in such bad shape one just wants to hug the thing, pool funds with homies, and save it.

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Posted 01 August 2019 - 04:08

Thanks for sharing this!

Hate to be pedantic, but it's a T330.

Thanks E1pix - happy to be corrected. Couldn't see the chassis plate from my desk :well:



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Posted 01 August 2019 - 06:11

Cicada F5000 with Stephen Fraser at Adelaide International Raceway, dicing with (lapping, being lapped by?)  one of the Bob and Marj Brown Birranas. If memory serves it would have been Bob Muir or Enno Busselman.

Same meeting as the Walker Lola photos. I think it might have been the October 1974 meeting.

 

PS Does anyone know if that was that same chassis that ran the BRM? (Working the grey matter hard now.)

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#1380 ellrosso

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Posted 01 August 2019 - 09:45

Geez I doubt it Gopher1.... the Cicada BRM looked pretty old in 1968! 2Bob would know - hopefully he will see this and give us some info on it.1250-L-Milt-77-lo.jpg



#1381 Ray Bell

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Posted 01 August 2019 - 10:04

Going by the helmet, that's Bob Muir...

And again working from memory, the Cicada F5000 had a lot of MR5 about it, nothing much from the sixties.

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Posted 01 August 2019 - 11:08

Ray, there was more than one Cicada wasn't there?  The 1974 car was not the one he'd driven in 1967.



#1383 Ray Bell

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Posted 01 August 2019 - 14:22

Yes, there was more than one Cicada...

Which is what I posted. The one from the seventies wasn't the one used in the sixties.

And there was the sports car, a rear-engined thing with cycle guards all round and a 1500 pushrod engine.

#1384 E1pix

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Posted 01 August 2019 - 16:08

I take it this has nothing to do with the Cicada Indy car run by Dan Murphy over here?

#1385 Ray Bell

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Posted 01 August 2019 - 22:01

Nothing...

Don Fraser had an engineering shop and built his own cars, he drove them initially and his son drove the later one.

#1386 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 02 August 2019 - 03:28

Nothing...

Don Fraser had an engineering shop and built his own cars, he drove them initially and his son drove the later one.

DG built a few cars, none with any real performance but they made up the numbers.

I always remember the Amilcar Whippet in the 70s and 80s at Collingrove.

I feel Stephen always drove the 5000, really before my time so that was early 70s.

Frasers did some decent work though, Clem Smiths Mustang at one stage had Fraser conrods which looked pretty good. They were an odd length so off the shelf were not suitable.


Edited by Lee Nicolle, 02 August 2019 - 03:33.


#1387 E1pix

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Posted 02 August 2019 - 03:57

Along the Cicada lines -- though the Indy car -- is this.

I couldn't help but post this, kinda on topic in my warped mind as it's a lovely piece by our very own Henri:
http://8w.forix.com/...polis-1975.html

#1388 ellrosso

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Posted 02 August 2019 - 08:49

Here is pic of the Cicada BRM from Autosportsman. He had a lot of problems with the BRM engine - when it was on song it was pretty quick but judging by the various race reports from Mallala it wasn't a regular occurrence. This was a quick outing but it wasn't to last.Cicada-BRM-lo.jpg



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Posted 06 August 2019 - 08:47

Few shots from Symmons Gold Star round in 1971 - pretty sure none have been posted before. I was at this meeting myself, either 14 or 15 I guess and hugely impressed by the F5000's of course, especially John McCormack in the Elfin being a local

(well a Northerner at least! He did let me have a squiz at the old Brabham in his servo at Cooee so I thought he was a good bloke.....DNF on the day though). Really felt for Alan Hamilton that day - he was blitzing it in the dreadful conditions but had to retire with wet electrics after an off. Cruel luck. KB was having a horror day with no wet tyres - cruised around hoping for a few points. Shocker day topped off with getting the door of our Wolseley 24/80 slammed on my thumb - very painful trip back to Hobart.....1725-H-Hyam-71-TNF.jpg1730-H-Bart-71-TNF.jpg1731-H-JMac-71-TNF.jpg1741-H-Hami-71-TNF.jpg


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Posted 12 August 2019 - 04:30

Something a bit different. Colin Trengove in the Lola leaving the line at Collingrove Hillclimb, South Australia, circa 1979.

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#1391 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 12 August 2019 - 05:10

Something a bit different. Colin Trengove in the Lola leaving the line at Collingrove Hillclimb, South Australia, circa 1979.

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All very familiar and from that angle nothing has changed. Big trees and grass up to the track edge. These days too the right is the timing and announcing building,,, and tyres so you cannot cut turn one to the left which is where the track goes just on top of the first crest. That was half a second!

Obviously taken through a windscreen, pity as I was trying to workout who was working on the start.

I may well have even been a competitor on the day as I vaguely remember Colin being there. Having run very powerfull tintops up that hill over the decades I suspect a 5000 would be a real handfull

I was fairly regular in those days. These days every time I go it rains!! No global warming at Collingrove, it seems to rain far more often.


Edited by Lee Nicolle, 12 August 2019 - 05:17.


#1392 Gopher1

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Posted 12 August 2019 - 07:26

All very familiar and from that angle nothing has changed. Big trees and grass up to the track edge. These days too the right is the timing and announcing building,,, and tyres so you cannot cut turn one to the left which is where the track goes just on top of the first crest. That was half a second!

Obviously taken through a windscreen, pity as I was trying to workout who was working on the start.

I may well have even been a competitor on the day as I vaguely remember Colin being there. Having run very powerfull tintops up that hill over the decades I suspect a 5000 would be a real handfull

I was fairly regular in those days. These days every time I go it rains!! No global warming at Collingrove, it seems to rain far more often.

Didn't Stan Keen hold the outright record in an Elfin MR5 for a while? So 5000 on the hill wasn't without precedent.



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Posted 13 August 2019 - 08:13

What a fantastic shot Gopher1 - I can almost hear that sound from here! Great stuff and yes I think Stan did hold the record in the MR5. I'm just amazed how narrow the track is - does it get any wider?



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Posted 13 August 2019 - 16:49

What a fantastic shot Gopher1 - I can almost hear that sound from here! Great stuff and yes I think Stan did hold the record in the MR5. I'm just amazed how narrow the track is - does it get any wider?

Not much. Take a ride here with the multiple Australian champion, Brett Hayward in a self-built car in more recent times....  https://www.youtube....h?v=30KKSOpjCFI



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Posted 14 August 2019 - 03:29

What a fantastic shot Gopher1 - I can almost hear that sound from here! Great stuff and yes I think Stan did hold the record in the MR5. I'm just amazed how narrow the track is - does it get any wider?

Thanks mate. The sound was epic, cos this was before mufflers (a.k.a. the good ol' days).



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Posted 14 August 2019 - 04:02

Adelaide International Raceway Tasman 1975. Jim Murdoch in the Begg 018, a rather elegant looking car to my eyes, with the Lotus 72 look, exposed engine and the waaaay back rear wing.

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Posted 14 August 2019 - 07:36

Something a bit different. Colin Trengove in the Lola leaving the line at Collingrove Hillclimb, South Australia, circa 1979.
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Crikey! An inch left and right of the rear tyre, not much room for error here!!

#1398 Ray Bell

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Posted 14 August 2019 - 12:37

It saves having to work out the best line...

Isn't that right?

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Posted 14 August 2019 - 13:40

Ever the optimist!

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Posted 15 August 2019 - 14:31

I completely forgot to share those photos until I just saw the topic now.

All taken at the Jim-Clark revival in Hockenheim this year. I was only one day there and didn't see the car running.

 

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