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#1401 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 15 August 2019 - 23:06

Didn't Stan Keen hold the outright record in an Elfin MR5 for a while? So 5000 on the hill wasn't without precedent.

I believe so. Stan was a competitor there in 5000s a few times I believe , though before my time as well as his formula Holdens about 20 years ago. He used both his road race one as well as another with a large high front wing which was his hillclimb special.

He has ran there in very recent times in his Grandsons Evo 9. I believe he went well.



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#1402 Gopher1

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Posted 16 August 2019 - 00:10

I completely forgot to share those photos until I just saw the topic now.

All taken at the Jim-Clark revival in Hockenheim this year. I was only one day there and didn't see the car running.

 

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Thanks Duc-Man; nice shots. I had no idea what I was looking at, so did a little digging and found this.

 

"One of the highlights" (of the Jim Clark Revival) "was the beautifully restored Crosslé 15F Formula 5000 car you see below, one of just three ever built. This is chassis C15F7042, driven by German Manfred Nord. Crosslé introduced the 15F in 1968, either equipped with a 5.0 litre Chevrolet or Ford engine. Two cars raced in the United States, although without any success. The third car saw action in the United Kingdom racing in the British F5000 championship."



#1403 raceannouncer2003

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Posted 16 August 2019 - 05:45

Here is a link to the other two 15F's in the Seattle area:

 

http://www.f5000regi...om/crossle.html

 

Vince H.



#1404 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 17 August 2019 - 01:37

Crikey! An inch left and right of the rear tyre, not much room for error here!!

It is tight, narrow and rough. Up and down hill.



#1405 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 17 August 2019 - 01:41

Didn't Stan Keen hold the outright record in an Elfin MR5 for a while? So 5000 on the hill wasn't without precedent.

I had Mark Blyfield in yesterday who actually drove that Lola once. 

Stan did run the Elfin  5000 there in the mid 70s as did Don Fraser with his  5000 as well.



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Posted 17 August 2019 - 14:53

Thanks Duc-Man; nice shots. I had no idea what I was looking at, so did a little digging and found this.

 

"One of the highlights" (of the Jim Clark Revival) "was the beautifully restored Crosslé 15F Formula 5000 car you see below, one of just three ever built. This is chassis C15F7042, driven by German Manfred Nord. Crosslé introduced the 15F in 1968, either equipped with a 5.0 litre Chevrolet or Ford engine. Two cars raced in the United States, although without any success. The third car saw action in the United Kingdom racing in the British F5000 championship."

 

I just knew it was a Crosslé F-5000. Thank you for the additional info.



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Posted 18 August 2019 - 02:19

I had Mark Blyfield in yesterday who actually drove that Lola once. 

Stan did run the Elfin  5000 there in the mid 70s as did Don Fraser with his  5000 as well.

I didn't know Mark ever had a steer. More info please.



#1408 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 18 August 2019 - 05:30

I didn't know Mark ever had a steer. More info please.

Club meeting AIR. 



#1409 Ray Bell

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Posted 18 August 2019 - 12:02

Colin Trengove owed him over a deal that wasn't completed and gave him the drive as some kind of compensation...

It's in the F5000 Thunder book.

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Posted 19 August 2019 - 17:11

Apologies for the Instamatic quality. Roger Williamson in the Kitchmac after qualifying 8th for the Rothman's F5000 race at Brands Hatch. 21st October 1972.

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Posted 19 August 2019 - 17:57

Thanks Duc-Man; nice shots. I had no idea what I was looking at, so did a little digging and found this.

 

"One of the highlights" (of the Jim Clark Revival) "was the beautifully restored Crosslé 15F Formula 5000 car you see below, one of just three ever built. This is chassis C15F7042, driven by German Manfred Nord. Crosslé introduced the 15F in 1968, either equipped with a 5.0 litre Chevrolet or Ford engine. Two cars raced in the United States, although without any success. The third car saw action in the United Kingdom racing in the British F5000 championship."

Absolutely gorgeous and in my opinion, devoid of fancy aero/MGUKs/TURDs or whatever, and replete with a big noisy V8 and fat slicks about as close as you will get to the definition of "a racing car".  OK it was blown away by the Lolas and McLarens of the day but it always defined brutal underdog optimism. I saw it race in period, it never looked this well turned out, but so what.

 

Funny how Fred Saunders' title would always be prefaced by "deep sea diver" in the same way that we had John Lepp "the jeweller" and Chris Meek "property developer". 



#1412 Tim Murray

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Posted 19 August 2019 - 18:05

Funny how Fred Saunders' title would always be prefaced by "deep sea diver" in the same way that we had John Lepp "the jeweller" and Chris Meek "property developer".


Similarly, ‘Brilliant Bob Wollek’ and ‘film stuntman Val Musetti’. Which reminds me of this story:

I'm reminded of a daily newspaper report on a race featuring Val Musetti. Can't remember which paper or race, but the reporter evidently read his copy over the phone. The relevant passage should have read (something along the lines of) :

". . . and the race was won by Joe Bloggs ahead of Fred Smith, film stuntman Val Musetti, Peter Piper etc etc"

What they actually printed was:

". . . and the race was won by Joe Bloggs ahead of Fred Smith, Phil Stuntman, Val Musetti, Peter Piper etc etc"



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Posted 19 August 2019 - 18:19

No apology needed, Charles.  Thanks for posting - any picture of Roger is great as far as I am concerned (as long as it isn't in a March 731 at Zandvoort).

 

As you know, Roger raced the car at the previous Oulton round a week before and could have finished third had he not had a coming together with John Cannon's March at Lodge at the end of the race.  Tom Wheatcroft had hired the car in the hope that Roger would win the Grovewood (?) UK series open to F5000, British Touring Cars (Group Two) and probably something else - my memory evades me... 



#1414 Tim Murray

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Posted 19 August 2019 - 19:07

The championship Tom was trying to get Roger to win was the Tarmac British Racing Championship. This was based on the results of all British international races plus (from 1978) selected races outside GB. It was open to all British and Commonwealth drivers holding British international competition licences, and ran from 1972 to 1980.

In 1972 Frank Gardner won it comfortably in the end, with 92 points to Roger Williamson’s 75 and Brian Redman’s 64.

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Posted 19 August 2019 - 19:10

That was it.  Tarmac, not Grovewood.  Thanks Tim!



#1416 Allen Brown

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Posted 19 August 2019 - 19:13

I completely forgot to share those photos until I just saw the topic now.

All taken at the Jim-Clark revival in Hockenheim this year. I was only one day there and didn't see the car running.

 

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Hey Duc-Man, may I use this image on the OldRacingCars.com page about the Crosslé 15F?

 

https://www.oldracin...om/crossle/15f/

 

Many thanks

Allen



#1417 raceannouncer2003

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Posted Yesterday, 06:31

Here is a link to the other two 15F's in the Seattle area:

 

http://www.f5000regi...om/crossle.html

 

Vince H.

 

From Tim Osborne:

 

"...I actually just sold the 15F off to the UK to a racer working with the factory.  A very good home..."

 

Vince H.



#1418 Duc-Man

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Posted Today, 10:30

Hey Duc-Man, may I use this image on the OldRacingCars.com page about the Crosslé 15F?

 

https://www.oldracin...om/crossle/15f/

 

Many thanks

Allen

 

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