48 replies to this topic

[Group B]

Simple question, if an old one; should, or should not, a point be awarded for acheiving the fastest lap?

Personally I'm in favour.

[Owen]

No, not in favour. Having said that there should be more points for winning than there currently is.

[kar]

I would like to say yes, but being able to set a fast lap is so dependent upon having clean air it makes it much easier for the guy out front to set it which is not really fair.

[kismet]

Nope.

[Ender]

No

[george_boy]

Originally posted by kar
I would like to say yes, but being able to set a fast lap is so dependent upon having clean air it makes it much easier for the guy out front to set it which is not really fair.

how difficult is it to back off and then set your lap?

[Tigershark]

I'm not in favour, for the simple reason that a race is 305km and qualifying is where the one lap wonders do their thing. A point for pole I would support, even in the current format because it encourages smaller teams to maybe go for that pole once or twice and mix up the grid and the first few laps of the race.

I'm also with Owen on giving the race winner more points. 10-8-6 isn't very impressive at all.

[Group B]

Originally posted by george_boy
how difficult is it to back off and then set your lap?

Yes, am inclined to think one could find room. The other thing is that it means a guy who's been fast all weekend but gets unlucky with a puncture or such can still get something for his/the team's performance.

[fnz]

Originally posted by Tigershark
... A point for pole I would support, even in the current format because it encourages smaller teams to maybe go for that pole once or twice and mix up the grid and the first few laps of the race....

I totally agree

[kar]

Originally posted by george_boy
how difficult is it to back off and then set your lap?

In a race?! If the racing is so poor that you can afford to back off in order to try and set a 'hot lap' then something is pretty fundamentally wrong with F1, and giving points for the fastest lap is the least of the changes that should be made.

[ensign14]

No. Only points for races. Otherwise managing to do 1 lap in a decent time is suddenly worth more than flogging around for two hours to nail a 9th place. Plus finishing a woeful 2nd a lap behind the winner might mean you lose 1 point to the winner rather than 2. And a 4th place + 1 good lap = 3rd place.

Then again, I would do away with points - and the World Championship - entirely. So I'm not exactly neutral on this.

[WHITE]

Originally posted by ensign14
No. Only points for races.

[Ender]

Originally posted by kar
giving points for the fastest lap is the least of the changes that should be made.

[jokuvaan]

It would spice up nicely races, there would new aspect to watch out until the end. I support it very much.

[Lifew12]

Originally posted by Tigershark
I A point for pole I would support, even in the current format because it encourages smaller teams to maybe go for that pole once or twice

.

And how are they going to do that, these 'smaller teams'? Wave a carrot at them and they suddenly find abag of extra pace that makes them fast enough to try for pole?

Are you of the opinion that the 'smaller teams' are not trying their best already, that they are settling for a midfield slot just for the hell of it?

Does it not occur to you that getting through to the second part of qualifying is a greater hardship for the likes of Spyker and Tor Rosso than setting pole position is for Ferrari, Mclaren, Renault, et al?

Or, by 'smaller teams, are you talking of the likes of BMW (!) and Toyota?

Every single team goes out there with the intention of qualifying as high as they possibly can - especially those who have no chance of qualifying on pole whether there is apoint for it or not!

As for a point for fastest laps, no, there should not be points for anything - wins for titles, as Bernie says.

[Frank Tuesday]

You race to see how you finish compared to everyone else. That is the only thing points should be given for. No points for poles, fastest laps, shortest pitstop, most orange on the car, top speed, weight of testicles, etc.

Fast laps are set in achieving the goal. If you set the fastest lap while on course to winning, great. If you set fast lap and spin out, you should probably be going slower. If you set fast lap and your engine blows, you should probably be going slower. If you set fast lap and finish 8th, where the fvck were you the rest of the race?????? If anything they should take points away for anyone who finishes off the podium and still sets fast lap.

[Ender]

Originally posted by Frank Tuesday
If you set fast lap and finish 8th, where the fvck were you the rest of the race?????? If anything they should take points away for anyone who finishes off the podium and still sets fast lap.

[kismet]

That would be quite something, actually; like in arts competitions (e.g. ballet, conducting) where a jury can basically decide everyone was so (relatively) shite that no first prize will be awarded...

[molive]

NO

but I'd give 1 point for most laps led and 1 for the pole position

[lukywill]

no.
only if it´s rosberg first race, or senna´s chance to beat clark.

[primer]

Originally posted by Group B
a point be awarded for acheiving the fastest lap?

No.

[FNG]

Point for pole maybe but not one for fast lap. Can you imagine winning a championship with a DNF but you happened to have got the fastest lap before retiring? How lame would that be... Same goes for qual. Get pole, collect the point and that's enough to secure the championship and you don't even have to start the race!

[Umpire]

I would disagree, I think points need only be given for race results.


P.S. to the powers that be: bring back pre-2003 qualifying and points system...

[Ricardo F1]

Not for pole or fast lap. The current pole regulations would allow an 9th/10th place normal car to load up with zero fuel and blast a single lap. Silly.

[Tenmantaylor]

Originally posted by kar
I would like to say yes, but being able to set a fast lap is so dependent upon having clean air it makes it much easier for the guy out front to set it which is not really fair.

This could be construed as another incentive to overtake.

I say yes.

[Limits]

Originally posted by Ricardo F1
Not for pole or fast lap. The current pole regulations would allow an 9th/10th place normal car to load up with zero fuel and blast a single lap. Silly.

That is true, but that was also the idea to begin with, was it not? It didn't work out as they hoped, nothing really do, but a point for pole might fix it.

Personally I want the 10-6-4 back and no extra points for anything except maybe best hairdo.

[Clatter]

Originally posted by Tigershark
A point for pole I would support, even in the current format because it encourages smaller teams to maybe go for that pole once or twice and mix up the grid and the first few laps of the race.

The smaller teams can't make it out of the first session, so how the hell are they going to make an attempt for pole?

[RichardVirenque]

Originally posted by Clatter


The smaller teams can't make it out of the first session, so how the hell are they going to make an attempt for pole?

BMW is a smaller team thn McL or Ferrari.
See Nurb 2005 or Indy 2005

[Clatter]

Originally posted by RichardVirenque


BMW is a smaller team thn McL or Ferrari.
See Nurb 2005 or Indy 2005

In that case your idea of a small team doesnt match mine.

[Victor]

No, it would be to dangerous. It is easy to imagine a driver with no chances of scoring a point going to pits, unload his fuel, get soft tires and try like hell to get the fastest lap in the middle of the traffic of slower cars. Now imagine that all drivers outside of the points decide to do this in the last 3 or 4 laps of the race.
I love F1 but I hate to see someone dying for it.

[Group B]

Originally posted by Victor
No, it would be to dangerous. It is easy to imagine a driver with no chances of scoring a point going to pits, unload his fuel, get soft tires and try like hell to get the fastest lap in the middle of the traffic of slower cars. Now imagine that all drivers outside of the points decide to do this in the last 3 or 4 laps of the race.
I love F1 but I hate to see someone dying for it.

A fair point, but did this used to happen in the olden days? Before my time ;)

[Clatter]

Originally posted by Group B


A fair point, but did this used to happen in the olden days? Before my time ;)

Why would it?

[Group B]

Because you got a point for fastest lap then.

[Clatter]

Originally posted by Group B
Because you got a point for fastest lap then.

Sorry, I didnt think F1 had ever done it, but checked and your right.

Not sure what happened back then though, could ever relate to today.

[Limits]

I think maybe GroupB have, like me and most of the fans, gotten bored of the lack of visible/notocable effort shown by the drivers at the last half of the race. The drivers in the points turn down the revs and defend their position since there is no pitsips, and therefore no overtaking possibilities, left. Those outside the points could still fight in theory but then they destroy their engine for the next race...

But I don't think a point for pole would solve it because the real problem is elsewhere.

[Group B]

Originally posted by Limits
I think maybe GroupB have, like me and most of the fans, gotten bored of the lack of visible/notocable effort shown by the drivers at the last half of the race. The drivers in the points turn down the revs and defend their position since there is no pitsips, and therefore no overtaking possibilities, left. Those outside the points could still fight in theory but then they destroy their engine for the next race...

But I don't think a point for pole would solve it because the real problem is elsewhere.

Yep, last week was a classic example, overtaking is almost unknown now, most people have nothing to push for most of the time, It's by no means the rel answer but just think it would add a little extra excitment and interest.

[Jacquesback]

Originally posted by Group B


A fair point, but did this used to happen in the olden days? Before my time ;)

No, but pitstops took a damn sight longer than 10 seconds back then.

[Ghostrider]

Originally posted by Frank Tuesday
You race to see how you finish compared to everyone else. That is the only thing points should be given for. No points for poles, fastest laps, shortest pitstop, most orange on the car, top speed, weight of testicles, etc.

Agreed. Let us not make it more artificial that it is already.

[Raelene]

no

[Mauseri]

Pole maybe but fast lap no. Not with 2 race engines at least.

[J2NH]

Fastest lap. No. This is a RACE and points are awarded for order of finish. That should be incentive enough.

Pole point. No. Pole should again be incentive enough. Start first, clean side, no one in front, etc. What driver and team does not covet that position? Do you imagine that any team will try harder because of a point?

Winner. Winning a GP should be rewarded with more than 2 points over the second place finisher.

[gerry nassar]

Originally posted by Owen
No, not in favour. Having said that there should be more points for winning than there currently is.

Yes - thats the most important thing. 12 points for a win and leave the rest as is.

No points for Pole or Fastest Lap.

[optics]

Originally posted by Frank Tuesday
No points for weight of testicles,

Oh, come on. That would at least add some more interest into the driver selection process

[ensign14]

Originally posted by Group B


A fair point, but did this used to happen in the olden days? Before my time ;)

I dont think the tyres and suchlike made that much difference. The one time I can think of something similar happen was Japan 76 where Kojima bolted some supersoft (for the time) qualifying tyres as they had run out of "proper" ones and Hasemi set fastest lap as the track dried. But there was no point then, of course. (And some people suspect the time was a bit rigged and Lafitte had gone faster.)

[Limits]

Originally posted by optics
Oh, come on. That would at least add some more interest into the driver selection process

I think maybe more TV channels would be interested in broadcasting the post-race weighting process. There is something for you here, Bernie.

[Frank Tuesday]

Originally posted by optics
Oh, come on. That would at least add some more interest into the driver selection process

It wasn't meant literally. It was a (very) subtle reference to an incident between Patrese and Mansell in 1992. After having been destroyed in qualifying by Mansell (>2sec), Patrese walked over to Mansell and grabbed his balls, commenting he wanted to know how big they were, because he was scared to corner any faster than he already was.

I don't have the exact quote, or race, but I'm sure someone will chime in. I want to say it was the season opener at Kyalami, but I wouldn't bet on it.

[ralt12]

Absolutely. Pole as well. Both are noteworthy achievements that should figure in the driver's championship.

[giacomo]

What about a fine for the slowest lap?

Or a point for the fastest pitstop?
Also straight line topspeed could be rewarded with points.
Helmet liveries. Biceps girths. Haircuts.

Would bring a lot of thrill into the championship.

[tidytracks]

Yes

Example: gp2

points for pole in f1 would mean more than in gp2 as it would encourage all drivers to opt for lower fuel levels in qualifying.

points for fastest lap mean that even if your race is ruined by getting punted off or a rubbish quali, you can at least salvage something. Should have gp2 rules that you must be classified however.