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[Louis Mr. F1]

Do F1 cars have 'holes' inside the cockpit to allow water passing out during a wet race?

How do F1 drivers avoid their helmet visor fogging up when it rains?

Do they put rain-wax on their visors so rain/water would 'run away' on its own?

thank you
Louis

[BuonoBruttoCattivo]

Originally posted by Louis Mr. F1
Do F1 cars have 'holes' inside the cockpit to allow water passing out during a wet race?

How do F1 drivers avoid their helmet visor fogging up when it rains?

Do they put rain-wax on their visors so rain/water would 'run away' on its own?

thank you
Louis

No
Helmuts have air circulation
No

[100cc]

How do F1 drivers avoid their helmet visor fogging up when it rains?

Double-shield anti-fog visors (Bell helmets) or just an anti-fog coating on the inside of the visor.

Do they put rain-wax on their visors so rain/water would 'run away' on its own?

Can't really put rain-wax or rain-x because you'd have to put it on all tear-offs separately - but then again if you have tear-offs on less than ideally or don't have the racing-optics type tear-offs you get water in-between them and have to rip them all off or you see sod all. At F1 speeds water flies off easily enough... it's not the water on the visor that is really the problem but rather the water spray in the air.

[Louis Mr. F1]

thank you to both of you

more info welcome

[Jodum5]

Concerning your question about the water entering the cockpits: I remember a driver commenting that the openings to the cockpits are so small that they (the drivers) don't get too wet at all.

[Limits]

Originally posted by Jodum5
Concerning your question about the water entering the cockpits: I remember a driver commenting that the openings to the cockpits are so small that they (the drivers) don't get too wet at all.

I can imagine that an extended SC period in heavy rain, not an unlikely situation, could allow quite a bit of water in there. I can not see that the some draining holes would hurt anything.

[RDM]

I recall reading of (at least) 1 ex-F1 driver who regularly used to piss himself during races. I am thinking it was Piquet (snr) but I may be doing him a terrible injustice. Whether it drained our the cockpit or not I'm not certain.

[WHITE]

Originally posted by RDM
I recall reading of (at least) 1 ex-F1 driver who regularly used to piss himself during races. I am thinking it was Piquet (snr) but I may be doing him a terrible injustice. Whether it drained our the cockpit or not I'm not certain.

I remember reading about Piquet's " racing incontinence" too

Now that we are talking about this, I wonder whether this were taken into account when weighing cars. Imagine a driver that, before the race drinks two litres of water ( two kilos ) and soon after, during the race, gets rid of it.
Would not this make the car/driver lighter ?
Is this contingency taken into account at the rules ?

[metz]

Originally posted by WHITE


I remember reading about Piquet's " racing incontinence" too

Now that we are talking about this, I wonder whether this were taken into account when weighing cars. Imagine a driver that, before the race drinks two litres of water ( two kilos ) and soon after, during the race, gets rid of it.
Would not this make the car/driver lighter ?
Is this contingency taken into account at the rules ?

Most drivers are forced to pee themselves during the race.
One estimate is that over half do.
The drivers are in the suits for almost 4 hours and consume up to 1.5 Ltrs of fluid during the race.
The suits are designed to absorb the moisture and not show on the outside.
The liquid stays in the suit and is part of the driver weight.

[Limits]

They are weighted after the race. Any urine and sweat in the overall or underpants is included when checking if minimum weight is met. Would be foolish, and illegal, to change clothes. Having an arrangment that leads it out of the car would mean that they have to compensate for that weight with ballast. Normally, when sweating, most of it vaporizes. There is nothing to gain from peeing in the pants though, if you do, you had too much water to begin with. Normally when you are doing hard physical work, almost all water is being used by the body and you will not need to pee.

But how about the water the drivers drinks after they get out of the car, before weighing? Surely there is a few hundreds to gain if you have a driver that can drink two litres in parc fermé?

[AFCA]

Inside the cockpit it's very hot, so water will vapourate pretty quickly.

[Mat]

Originally posted by WHITE


I remember reading about Piquet's " racing incontinence" too

Now that we are talking about this, I wonder whether this were taken into account when weighing cars. Imagine a driver that, before the race drinks two litres of water ( two kilos ) and soon after, during the race, gets rid of it.
Would not this make the car/driver lighter ?
Is this contingency taken into account at the rules ?

They allow 5kg for fluid loss (which includes all that stuff, but it wouldnt be very noticable whats you include rubber, oil loss, etc.

[fifi]

Originally posted by RDM
I recall reading of (at least) 1 ex-F1 driver who regularly used to piss himself during races. I am thinking it was Piquet (snr) but I may be doing him a terrible injustice. Whether it drained our the cockpit or not I'm not certain.

johnny herbert admitted to doing it as well

[RDM]

Originally posted by fifi


johnny herbert admitted to doing it as well

Somebody mentioned that Rubens "**** himself" when Schumacher sudenly overtook him on the last lap of the Monaco GP a couple of years back....perhaps this was literally?

(Apols to the sensitive for the continuing scatology...)

[benn5325]

Didn't Nige puke in his while battling Senna at Monaco one year?

[FrankB]

Originally posted by Louis Mr. F1
Do F1 cars have 'holes' inside the cockpit to allow water passing out during a wet race?

Even if there were no specifically designed drain holes, would it be completely watertight unit anyway? Surely the tub is not a sealed unit with contiguous and unbroken floor, sides and front and rear bulkheads is it?

[Umpire]

I'm thinking that perhaps due to the airflow over an F1 car moving at speed, very little water does indeed make it to the cockpit instead of being diverted as the air would.

I might be completely wrong though. If rain is pretty much everywhere, then you'd expect some of that to fall in the cockpit.

Any clues?

[John B]

Originally posted by benn5325
Didn't Nige puke in his while battling Senna at Monaco one year?

As did Piquet, trying to hold on to 5th place and the WDC at the first Las Vegas GP, on the track that taxed the neck muscles of many drivers.

[TickTickBooom]

Originally posted by Limits
But how about the water the drivers drinks after they get out of the car, before weighing? Surely there is a few hundreds to gain if you have a driver that can drink two litres in parc fermé?

If you watch the coverage when the camera follows a driver to Parc Ferme, you'll see that they are weighed first and are given a drink afterwards.

[Peri_Piket]

Originally posted by RDM
I recall reading of (at least) 1 ex-F1 driver who regularly used to piss himself during races. I am thinking it was Piquet (snr) but I may be doing him a terrible injustice. Whether it drained our the cockpit or not I'm not certain.

Link please?
How do you know it?
Were you grabbing and smelling his lower parts after the races?

You pathetic, why don't you invent something about Emerson too?
You anti-brazilian basher.

Nelson did pissed outside the car in testing, but it was a practical joke with their mechanics at Brabham.

Go and change your dipers, RDM.

[RDM]

Originally posted by Peri_Piket

Link please?
How do you know it?
Were you grabbing and smelling his lower parts after the races?

You pathetic, why don't you invent something about Emerson too?
You anti-brazilian basher.

And you call me pathetic.

Nelson Piquet: "Winning is a feeling which you cannot imagine. I sometimes piss my pants on the slowing down lap."

Oh, and you wanted a link (which includes the quote I gave). How about:

http://www.formula1....driver/181.html

You can also try:

http://www.pitboard....showtopic=17230 for more anecdotes.

Another poster in this forum also confirmed Piquet as being a pisser, and I - as I had explained - had read it somewhere. I believe it was a book, but it might have been a website, and it may we have been both.

So why your paranoia?

As for being anti-Brazilian, that really is a dumb thing for you to say, and I will be very happy indeed to see Massa take the WDC.

[HoldenRT]

Peri_Piket is De Weberis

[imaginesix]

Originally posted by Louis Mr. F1
Do F1 cars have 'holes' inside the cockpit to allow water passing out during a wet race?

How do F1 drivers avoid their helmet visor fogging up when it rains?

Do they put rain-wax on their visors so rain/water would 'run away' on its own?

thank you
Louis

1- Dunno about drainage holes in F1, though as others have said there is very little water entry into the cockpit at speed, so unless they are on the grid during a deluge they should be OK.

2- Air circulation. It takes some very cool and moist air to fog up the visor, and anti-fog stuff doesn't work on plastic, it's meant for glass. If they have to, they can crack the visor open very slightly to aid airflow around the visor (but not so much as to affect the protection afforded by the visor). Failing that, they can wear a device that fits around the nose and mouth and directs breath down and out the bottom of the helmet, away from the visor, since breath is a major contributor to condensation. That always works.

3- I believe the water dispersal coatings are only meant for glass, like the anti-fog stuff. But like water in the cockpit, water droplets on the visor is a non-issue because they don't stay there for very long at all.

[imaginesix]

Originally posted by RDM

And you call me pathetic.

Nelson Piquet: "Winning is a feeling which you cannot imagine. I sometimes piss my pants on the slowing down lap."

Oh, and you wanted a link (which includes the quote I gave). How about:

http://www.formula1....driver/181.html

You can also try:

http://www.pitboard....showtopic=17230 for more anecdotes.

Another poster in this forum also confirmed Piquet as being a pisser, and I - as I had explained - had read it somewhere. I believe it was a book, but it might have been a website, and it may we have been both.

So why your paranoia?

As for being anti-Brazilian, that really is a dumb thing for you to say, and I will be very happy indeed to see Massa take the WDC.

Yeah but he really got you good with that diaper comment eh?

[RDM]

Originally posted by imaginesix
Yeah but he really got you good with that diaper comment eh?

Well, not really, as he made a complete **** of himself and I was able to easily correct him on every point he made. In the circumstances it would appear he needs the diaper rather than me.

[Louis Mr. F1]

thank you imaginesix for the info.

[Peri_Piket]

Originally posted by RDM

Somebody mentioned that Rubens "**** himself" when Schumacher sudenly overtook him on the last lap of the Monaco GP a couple of years back....perhaps this was literally?

(Apols to the sensitive for the continuing scatology...)

Dirty RDM.

[Ilaya]

You're hilarious Peri, grow a thicker skin.
RDM is just taking the piss outta you and your overly sensitive reactions when Brazilians are involved.

We all like a brazilian trust me ;)

[tifosi]

Originally posted by RDM

Well, not really, as he made a complete **** of himself and I was able to easily correct him on every point he made. In the circumstances it would appear he needs the diaper rather than me.

Yeah but did you have to bitch slap him so hard?

[ensign14]

It's a genetic fact that Brazilians can't cope with full bladders. Hence Piquet used to piss himself.

On a more serious note, can't it cause serious injury if you have a crash with tight seat belts clamping a full bladder? Hence a safety reason for going to the car as dry as poss?

[Dolph]

Originally posted by ensign14
On a more serious note, can't it cause serious injury if you have a crash

Yes, the bladder can erupt and you will have urine all over inside you

So the best thing to do when you see that you will crash is to start pissing yourself. Because Brazilians are able to push the car more to the limit, they think more often that they will crash. Hence the higher piss rate.

[Risil]

Originally posted by Dolph


Yes, the bladder can erupt and you will have urine all over inside you

Well, you can laugh, but supposedly that is how William I of England died. On a horse, though, naturally.

[ensign14]

Originally posted by Dolph


Yes, the bladder can erupt and you will have urine all over inside you

So the best thing to do when you see that you will crash is to start pissing yourself. Because Brazilians are able to push the car more to the limit, they think more often that they will crash. Hence the higher piss rate.

It is a well-known fact that Rubens' lightning starts are caused by the extra hydropower of a stream of piss being forced through a turbine. Watch the next time he starts, it looks like he's leaking oil. But it's piss. Hence his personal sponsorship from Budweiser.

[Dolph]

Originally posted by Risil


Well, you can laugh, but supposedly that is how William I of England died. On a horse, though, naturally.

No doubt, going through dingle-dell...



P.S. I wasn't laughing. I know it can happen. That's why I said it. Never heard it happen to a horse rider.