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#1 Gerard Gamand

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Posted 05 May 2007 - 16:54

Who can tell me more about the Minos F2 drived by Brian Muir at Thruxton in 1976. He crashed in the first lap.

Here the Minos F2

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#2 Rob Ryder

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Posted 05 May 2007 - 18:42

Wasn't it Bob Muir and not Brian Muir?
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#3 Gerard Gamand

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Posted 05 May 2007 - 19:52

I'm sorry ! Of course it's Bob Muir not Brian...

The car was entered by Bob and Marj Brown ??

#4 Teapot

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Posted 06 May 2007 - 09:58

All I know (from David Hodges' book) is that it was based on a 1975 Birrana 274 Formula Atlantic Car powered by a BDX engine and entered (or at least financially backed ) by Bob and Marj Brown.
This car also ran during practice at Pau but didn't make the grid.

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Posted 06 May 2007 - 10:16

It was based on 1973 BIRRANA 273, chassis #006, not 274....... the remains of the MINOS is in West Australia, remains only..........no engine or gearbox...

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Posted 06 May 2007 - 10:55

The sister Bob & Marj Brown Birrana 273 ex Bob Muir is in Adelaide , chassis # 009 ...................

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Posted 06 May 2007 - 11:14

Originally posted by cosworth bdg

It was based on 1973 BIRRANA 273, chassis #006, not 274.......



I stand corrected...

#8 Ray Bell

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Posted 06 May 2007 - 13:45

It went to Bernie Zampatti, didn't it?

Was Tony involved in this project?

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Posted 07 May 2007 - 06:07

Originally posted by Ray Bell
It went to Bernie Zampatti, didn't it? yes

Was Tony involved in this project?

not that i know of......

#10 cosworth bdg

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Posted 07 May 2007 - 06:50

Gerard , who took the photo you have posted on the Minos F2 , as i would like to know who is crouched down beside the car...........thanks Peter N

#11 Gerard Gamand

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Posted 07 May 2007 - 21:11

Sorry I realy dont know

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Posted 08 May 2007 - 02:15

Originally posted by Gerard Gamand
Sorry I realy dont know

Thanks very much Gerard, cheers Peter N

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Posted 08 May 2007 - 12:10

I presume it was based on 1 of the 2 Birranas raced here in FAt in 1975. Muir ran most of the year, and got progressively quicker, the 2nd car ran occasionally for Dean Hosking.

The team gave up on the Minos early on in the 76 F2 season, buying a Chevron B35 instead for Bob M. He put that car on the front row at Nogaro (??) in July 76, up against some v fast cars/drivers.

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 01:50

Originally posted by Mallory Dan
I presume it was based on 1 of the 2 Birranas raced here in FAt in 1975. Muir ran most of the year, and got progressively quicker, the 2nd car ran occasionally for Dean Hosking.

The team gave up on the Minos early on in the 76 F2 season, buying a Chevron B35 instead for Bob M. He put that car on the front row at Nogaro (??) in July 76, up against some v fast cars/drivers.

Your presumption is very correct about being based on one of the Birrana's raced in F/A, Bob Muir could match the best of competitors in his time....... Cheers, Peter N.................................

#15 Terry Walker

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 04:21

A "Minos Ford" raced in the 1979 Australian Grand prix, driven by veteran Bill Downey. It DNF'd after 30 laps.

The text in the book is a little unclear about the car. "Although entered in a Birrana he actually raced his Minos." So, was this car "the" Minos in question?

I really must have a long talk with Bill Downey one day.

#16 cosworth bdg

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 05:06

It may just be the same " Minos " chassis /car..............

#17 Terry Walker

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 07:02

I don't think the car actually belonged to Bill Downey, and as far as I can tell it's the only time it ever raced in WA, or rather, the only time a Minos ever raced in WA. It wouldn't be the first time Bill persuaded someone to lend him a car to race. So there's a gap between say 1975 and 1979 to be filled.

#18 cosworth bdg

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 07:20

It would be very interesting to get the full and true story..........

#19 Ray Bell

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 08:20

Originally posted by Ray Bell
It went to Bernie Zampatti, didn't it?

Was Tony involved in this project?


Tony couldn't have been involved for long, if he ever was, of course...

You blokes should learn that sometimes I have reason for posting what I do:

http://forums.autosp...972#post2586972

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#20 cosworth bdg

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 08:54

Your point is taken, but i am pleading NOT GUILTY to your point. made ................

#21 Terry Walker

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 09:02

A dig through my WA race results 1980-1986 shows no more "Minos". In 1984 Ross Zampatti appeared at Wanneroo in February and March in a Birrana, placed in the first 3 in all his races, then switched to a Ralt, which he drove irregularly in WA until my results sheets run out at the end of 1986. The Ralt seems to have been a lot less reliable than the Birrana - heaps of DNFs.

#22 Ray Bell

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 09:19

Bernie might well have entered it as a Birrana... and his son drove it too, have you got records of that?

There must also have been some reason for the grid sheets, practice times and results of the AGP to have had 'Minos' typed on them. It was certainly there!

Could it be, perhaps, that Bernie just called it a Birrana, Bill realised it wasn't and changed his entry after having arranged to drive the car, then it returned to Bernie and its anonymity?

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 09:29

The Birrana 273 you are taking about was restored in VICTORIA around 1885, it is the ex Peter Brock car and was bought for Bernie as a Birthday present by his family and was a suprise gift at the time.................

#24 Ray Bell

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 09:53

You're missing the point, Peter:

Originally posted by nikhil
Bill Downey WA

Triumph TR2 at Caversham WA

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Lotus 22 - [self modified] at Wanneroo Park Raceway

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Minos Formula Pacific BDA - after it's return from the UK F2 campaign with Bob Muir and Bob &
Marj Brown. Purchased from Bernie Zampatti and latter returing for Zampatti Jnr to drive until its was totalled

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Note that this isn't something that I posted, but someone else has done. Check their profile, send them a message and ask them more.

#25 cosworth bdg

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Posted 10 May 2007 - 03:13

Ray, i follow what you mean & are saying , regards Peter...........

#26 cosworth bdg

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Posted 19 May 2007 - 06:04

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gerard Gamand
[B]Who can tell me more about the Minos F2 drived by Brian Muir at Thruxton in 1976. He crashed in the first lap.

To this day, i still cannot get my head around the logic behind producing this one off disaster of car..... surely they did'nt belive they could produce a winner or place geta........ :confused:

#27 Ray Bell

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Posted 18 June 2022 - 14:53

One unanswered question here, let's see if we can get an answer to this one...

 

Did Bob Muir race the Birrana or the Minos at Cadwell Park?



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Posted 18 June 2022 - 20:00

One unanswered question here, let's see if we can get an answer to this one...

 

Did Bob Muir race the Birrana or the Minos at Cadwell Park?

Extremely doubtful. There was a restriction on engine sizes and power at Cadwell during that period at least.  Whilst Formula Three visited - often resulting in some badly bent cars - there was nothing higher to my knowledge in those days.