26 replies to this topic

[tifosi98]

I have a friend that believes Senna committed suicide?!?! Has anyone else heard this rumor?

[Bob Nomates]

Don't be stupid, it wasn't the crash that killed him it was the wheel hitting his helmet.
If you want to read about the details goto http://www.ayrton-senna.com and look for the s-files link.

[Linus27]

Maybe, maybe not. Who knows.

[Louis Mr. F1]

is your friend 8 yrs old?

[mhferrari]

Your friend is wrong.

[The RedBaron]

Should be a BB rule : Juniors can't open up threads until they reach the 30-message mark (maybe even 50)...I've noticed an increase in bullshit threads being opened up with controverisal titles....achieves nothing accept short term notoriety!

[Ellen2]

your friend is a total moron. Senna could have driven the car straight against a wall and ended it there (knowing Senna one could assume that if he decided to kill himself, he would do it while driving at full speed). But the impact he had in Imola was far from a suicidal impact. He died only because of extreme bad luck, his car was in pretty good shape since the angle of impact was quite favorable. It's that goddam suspension that went through his helmet that killed him, otherwise, if the suspension would have flown in the air, Senna would have been able to tell us about his scare at the Tamburello. And no, not even a driver with Senna's amazing skill could figure out a way to hit the wall so that the suspension would pop right into his head. But because of his understanding of driving, if he really wanted to kill himself, he would have chosen a totally different angle of impact that would have destroyed the car instantly with no way out (he could have driven stright into the wall without even strating steering into Tamburello, hitting the wall right where Berger's car stopped a few years before. Without steering and without braking he would have hit the wall at over 240mph head-on. Instead, not only he started the turn, he only braked heavily before impact, as one can see on the floor. Senna died because of unfortunate reasons and that all there is to it.

[Alfisti]

Originally posted by The RedBaron
Should be a BB rule : Juniors can't open up threads until they reach the 30-message mark (maybe even 50)...I've noticed an increase in bullshit threads being opened up with controverisal titles....achieves nothing accept short term notoriety!

Like your style Red. I've noticed it too but sometimes maybe just naivety rather than deliberately trying to get attention.

[Davebo]

Originally posted by The RedBaron
Should be a BB rule : Juniors can't open up threads until they reach the 30-message mark (maybe even 50)...I've noticed an increase in bullshit threads being opened up with controverisal titles....achieves nothing accept short term notoriety!

Now - now...

Don't get all high & mighty. You weren't born a 'member'. We all have to do our 'apprenticeship'. Keeping idiot threads down is the moderators job, or so I've been told.

As far a Senna commiting suicide? Don't even go there! That's a totally hairbrained theory, IMHO.

[HappyDude]

It was one of the random theories flying around at the time though, when things hadn't been investigated fully. Along with the ones about Senna holding his breath during a lap and passing out, etc. But now we know that it was just a tragic accident.

[arcwulf7]

Telemitry clearly showed Senna making defensive manoevers and hitting the brakes hard after an equipment failure which might have been a snapping of the steering column or suspension failure of some sort under the prolonged g forces of the Tamburella. Except for the incidental head injury caused by the entry of a piece of the suspension material into the helmet through the visor the accident was completely survivable, as Ellen mentioned. No one has ever seriously doubted it was equipment, except the inevitable theorists who want to paint any notable death in some sort of sinister/conspiratorial/deceptive light for their own murky reasons.[p][Edited by arcwulf7 on 09-13-2000]

[tifosi98]

Should be a BB rule: People like the Red Baron should only visit threads they are truly interested in being a worthwhile contributor to. Don't go "Rubens" on me Red.

[Ross Stonefeld]

240mph? They were at 240mph from the chicane to the entrance of Tamburello? Thats some serious flinstone power ellen

Ross Stonefeld
Aztec International

[rayt]

Arcwolf7:

I have a question: Can you point me to where all this data is? Since 94 I've been waiting for an explaination from FIA/Imola/Williams. With all the telemetry, pit radio, TV cameras,eye witnesses and accident invetigation methods surely the F1 fraternity knows the truth of the matter. Yet you (and Ellen2) are the first people I have ever read that point to the existence concrete evidence. Are there any references available on the web? I'm not morbid, but I've been in the dark about the whole affair since it happened. [p][Edited by rayt on 09-13-2000]

[senninha]

Senna reduced all the gears, trying to reduce his speed...

[Sean L]

rayt:
http://www.ayrton-se...iles/start.html

[kenny]

thats right he slowed down and shifted back...

and why the hell would Ayrton kill himself...
he had just started his own business, Senninha, etc...
He was on his way to beat Prost's 51 records...
After his Williams contract he was planning to join Ferrari...
then why the hell would he kill himself..

[Peterson]

Read the book "Ayrton Senna - as time goes by " by Christopher hilton.

http://www.amazon.co...606113/atlasf1/

I have heard more people than me say that it´s the best book about Senna.

Read it.

[Force Ten]

Actually, as a matter of fact, Senna is alive and well and living under a 'witness protection program' with Elvis Presley and Ray Liotta of Goodfellas in Tahoma, Texas.

See, Senna couldn't handle the pressure needed to be a great sporting hero for many, so he faked his own death just like Elvis to avoid it. Also he was a secret prosecution witness against Frank Williams and Patrick Head at the notorious Italian manslaughter case. Thus the 'witness protection program'.[p][Edited by Force Ten on 09-13-2000]

[Force Ten]

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Sorry about my last post for all the serious Senna fans, but if someone posts something 'that' stupid, even if it ts his friend saying it, it just has to be answered with someting equally stupid...

[kenny]

Force ten... as a Senna fan, I forgive you ;)

[Ross Stonefeld]

How are you a witness in the case of manslaughter against yourself?

You'd have to be dead first

Ross Stonefeld
Aztec International

[Force Ten]

Hey, come on, don't come here talking to me about the itty-bitty minor details of the law!

Like I had access to all the black things they are doing the curtains and behind our backs. If they think prosecuting Frank and Patrick causing Senna's death without Senna actually being dead is within reason they have all the rights in the world in my opinion to prosecute Frank and Patrick in causing Senna's death. If they actually could get Senna to testify also, more bully for them!

I just report the *facts* I know about. I wouldn't think about coming here and *lie* about it, would I?!?

[Paste]

I heard this theory right after the accident too.

Leave the poor guy/girl who started the thread alone! They were asking a question, and wanted an answer, but all they got was high and mighty bullshit. Way to convey a positive impression about what the BB members are supposed to be like. This person's new, and their first impression is likely a bad one now...

[Ellen2]

Ross Stonefeld

maybe not 240, certainly 220mph. You didn't get my point. I assumed Senna going full speed on the straight, not turn, not steer, not brake, just go straight head on against the wall, which starts before Tamburello (there were no chicanes when Senna died). Basically full speed straight. regardless of the actual number, do you think anyone would survice such a frontal impact? just look at Schumi last year for a 70mph impact into a tire wall........

[norfolk's tear]

Stupid theory. Who would be so stupid to try to commit suicide in this manner anyway, so unreliable?? And why would Senna try that?? Makes no sense at all. And he tried to brake - low gear position indicate that.

Furthermore I understand - like Ellen 2 wrote - that the initial reason of death was a part of suspension(?) "sticks" (or whatever those thin metal bars between wheel and the nose of the chassis are called in english now, there is a word??) penetrating through his scull.

And unreally unluckily through the VIZOR first. the "stick/bar" just barely missing the actual hard, composite helmet part. Couple of millimetres upper - he could be living. Thats how I've been understanding all these years.

Ps. Ellen 2 must have ment kilometres per hour, not mph with that 240, of course. An F1 car wont ofcourse reach speeds of 240 mph.. Unless with an afterburner..

[FW11B]

I never liked Senna, mainly because he was up against Mansell, but what a stupid rumour. Even I realise that Senna lived for Racing and was in a team back on it's way up with numerous possible championships to come.