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#1 SeanValen

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Posted 30 May 2007 - 17:58

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Now celebrate :smoking: :smoking: :smoking: :up: :up: :up:


Pretty cool video, got a fair number of overtakes and situations they both did on each other. Mika vs Michael really was 3 seasons in way-98-99-2000 and a little bit of 2001, but it felt much longer then that, perhaps testament to just how great those Mclaren vs Ferrari years were with Mika and Michael as pilots.

It's pretty cool we well, if we add 1997, then 1998, 1999, 2000, all those years went down to the last race for titles. Pretty much spoiled us. Michael going to Ferrari was a ace move for entertainment for us.

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#2 J2NH

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Posted 30 May 2007 - 18:09

Very cool Sean, thank you.

:up:

Qualifying in Japan 2000 is one of my all time favorites from those days.

#3 Spyker MF1

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Posted 30 May 2007 - 18:14

Great vid thanks.

Two of the best with great respect for each other=Great racing and entertainment. Also great press conferences

#4 brunopascal

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Posted 30 May 2007 - 18:18

Great vid Sean :up:

Michael and Mika had great battles indeed. Although Michael lost Spa 2000, I still liked that race, and that says something about the racing and entertainment.

But Michael 1996-1998 will forever remain as his greatest period to me. Mainly because he was racing a car inferior to the Williamses and McLares, but still pulled off some awesome performances, among the greatest ever. He could seemingly do the impossible, it was shock and awe.

#5 Deepak

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Posted 30 May 2007 - 18:22

Thanks Sean.

I still watch a lot of the videos from my collection to relive those moments.

The best battles I have seen.

#6 F1 Tor.

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Posted 30 May 2007 - 18:24

Good times-I miss them both. :cry: I still remember Suzuka 2000. I just moved into my new house and we barely had any furniture and I was sitting in this crappy chair at some ungodly hour as Michael came out ahead after the second set of pit stops and a Ferrari mechanic was pumping his fists. They knew they were close and he delivered. I still get goosebumps thinking about it.

#7 Group B

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Posted 30 May 2007 - 18:32

Happy days indeed :clap:

#8 raceday

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Posted 30 May 2007 - 18:59

Thanx for the compilation, Sean :D Fantastic times!

I miss Hakkinen! Not only for the racing but also for his personality. Since Senna he has been the only intresting guy to listen to at the press conferances.

#9 Group B

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Posted 30 May 2007 - 19:00

Blasphemy! Irvine was nothing if not entertaining :D

#10 BuonoBruttoCattivo

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Posted 30 May 2007 - 19:08

Valen geezer, you're getting old... :up:

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Posted 31 May 2007 - 07:35

Originally posted by Group B
Blasphemy! Irvine was nothing if not entertaining :D


just wasn't on the podium very often

#12 douglasross

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Posted 31 May 2007 - 07:43

eddie the mouth did not need to be on the podium to make a comment and to tell it how it was

#13 Hacklerf

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Posted 31 May 2007 - 08:38

oh those were the days

#14 Nobody

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Posted 31 May 2007 - 11:34

:stoned: :up:

#15 Owen

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Posted 31 May 2007 - 11:40

overtaking... I remember it well. :(

#16 robnyc

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Posted 31 May 2007 - 11:56

In my opinion Mikka was no match to Schumacher as a racing driver. His overtaking in Spa was fabulous but that was about it..
Honestly, IMO this video is more exciting to watch..



#17 Group B

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Posted 31 May 2007 - 12:04

At least you knew where you were with those two; get out of my way or I'll hit you.

#18 Dragonfly

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Posted 31 May 2007 - 17:27

I saw only one. Who's the other, except Montoya? :p

#19 Jacquesback

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Posted 31 May 2007 - 17:38

Shouldn't this be in the nostalgia forum?

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#20 Ricardo F1

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Posted 31 May 2007 - 18:12

Hakkinen was always too nice.

#21 QdfV

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Posted 31 May 2007 - 18:26

Damn, this is nice. Exactly why were we complaining back then?

#22 robnyc

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Posted 31 May 2007 - 18:50

Originally posted by Group B
At least you knew where you were with those two; get out of my way or I'll hit you.


I interpret that as "I won't lift so either you (Michael) lift or crash me."

#23 F1Champion

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Posted 31 May 2007 - 18:58

Superb just superb....both were awesome fighters in F1....top drives by both....and great moves too.

Makes me all the more sad that in 2007 you will probably hardly ever see moves like that between drivers in 1st and 2nd place.

#24 mclarensmps

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Posted 31 May 2007 - 19:17

I miss Mika :(.

I'd be happy if aero just stuck to what it was back then. Or.... i dunno, whatever, hehehe... Mika is best!

Speaking of which, what happened to Mikabest?

#25 J2NH

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Posted 31 May 2007 - 19:28

Originally posted by The Big Guns
I miss Mika :(.

I'd be happy if aero just stuck to what it was back then.


You raise a good point. Passing back then was tough and most still took place in the pits but it was possible. Maybe the FIA should go back and revisit some of the aero rules from back then and see where they have gone astray. Raising the front wing into the flow is the major issue I suspect.

Back on topic. Mika was a striking contrast to MS in the press conferences. The guy was hilarious.

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Posted 31 May 2007 - 19:30

Originally posted by SeanValen

Michael going to Ferrari was a ace move for entertainment for us.


Only bettered by Mclaren being able to develop a decent car for MH. :cool:

#27 slapstick

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Posted 31 May 2007 - 19:33

Originally posted by Ricardo F1
Hakkinen was always too nice.


Indeed. He should have properly smashed M$ for the Spa "incident".

#28 SeanValen

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Posted 31 May 2007 - 19:38

Originally posted by slapstick


Indeed. He should have properly smashed M$ for the Spa "incident".



Actually Mika Hakkinen has been quoted as saying "Michael was too nice to me on many occassions, more then he needed to be." It averages out.

If you know Hakkinen, you'll remember the quote.


These two respected each other, Michael said last year Mika was his favorite rival, result, Mika heard, and flew to Brazil to watch his last race.

SO DON'T ****ing TURN THIS CELEBRATION THREAD INTO DRIVER BASHING.



CELEBRATE THEM BOTH, OR HELL WILL INVITE YOU IN.

Don't like the party, don't want to celebrate the video, get the **** out then as it's a CELEBRATION THREAD!!!!read the thread title.



#29 slapstick

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Posted 31 May 2007 - 19:40

Originally posted by SeanValen

Actually Mika Hakkinen has been quoted as saying "Michael was too nice to me on many occassions, more then he needed to be." It averages out.


That only strengthens the argument that Mika was too nice.

#30 SeanValen

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Posted 31 May 2007 - 19:43

Originally posted by slapstick


That only strengthens the argument that Mika was too nice.


Mika was nice, but Michael is a hard racer and was nice to him on many occassions also, don't forget it.

BURN IN HELL once again.

#31 brunopascal

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Posted 31 May 2007 - 19:47

Originally posted by QdfV
Damn, this is nice. Exactly why were we complaining back then?

Well, no matter the state of things, there always seems to be something to complain about.

From the Dijon 1979 race report:

More and more drivers — indeed, nearly all of them — say they want to see the end of 'ground effects'. Forget the criticism (voiced earlier by John Watson and James Hunt) that the cars are too easy to drive, that the designer wins the race rather than the driver, that overtaking is virtually impossible. All that remains valid, as does the spectator's grouse that today's cars make for dull entertainment, with ultra-quick processions the staple diet of the Grand Prix schedule.

I wonder what Hunt and Watson would have said in 1979 if they would've had the possibility to peek 28 years into the future....

Having said that, something is definately wrong when it is so ridiculously difficult to overtake as it is today.

#32 slapstick

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Posted 31 May 2007 - 19:50

Originally posted by SeanValen
These two respected each other, Michael said last year Mika was his favorite rival, result, Mika heard, and flew to Brazil to watch his last race.


Mika flew to Brazil as a Mclaren guest being the corporate man he is.

SO DON'T ****ing TURN THIS CELEBRATION THREAD INTO DRIVER BASHING.


There's no bashing but a remembrance of one particularly filthy move.

CELEBRATE THEM BOTH, OR HELL WILL INVITE YOU IN.


:rotfl:

Time to take a chill pill. Hell is just for religious types, are you one?

Don't like the party, don't want to celebrate the video, get the **** out then as it's a CELEBRATION THREAD!!!!read the thread title.


I didn't watch the video so there. I'm sure those clips are the same ones that have been doing rounds for years so no point. Your celebration is very onesided and hence tiresome. You really don't care about Häkkinen at all but he was MS rival so give a bit of credit to him and it's a nice way to make MS look even more mighty. Why in gods name didn't you put this into nostalgia forum anyway where it belongs since both of these guys are history.

#33 Group B

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Posted 31 May 2007 - 19:52

Slapstick, why don't you just do us all a favour and **** OFF. It really would be nice to have the odd thread that doesn't get trolled.

#34 slapstick

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Posted 31 May 2007 - 19:52

Originally posted by SeanValen


Mika was nice, but Michael is a hard racer and was nice to him on many occassions also, don't forget it.

BURN IN HELL once again.


Yes MS was nice when he was caught off guard and didn't have time to react. :D How many times can you burn in hell? :lol:

#35 slapstick

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Posted 31 May 2007 - 19:52

Originally posted by Group B
Slapstick, why don't you just do us all a favour and **** OFF. It really would be nice to have the odd thread that doesn't get trolled.


The master insultor at his best again. Well done for another vitriolic rant you live for. :rolleyes: :down:

#36 Group B

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Posted 31 May 2007 - 19:58

I haven't even started yet pal :)

Is it really impossible for people like you to just enjoy the sport and appreciate other drivers' talents? Does every thread have to be "my driver's great and your's is a turd?" It's just really very sad mate, that you can't manage to go more than a couple of posts without saying something negative about someone. Ironically you could learn a lot from sean, who puts us all to shame in that department. Still, whatever makes you happy :

#37 slapstick

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Posted 31 May 2007 - 20:11

Originally posted by Group B
I haven't even started yet pal :)


Well darling I would certainly hope you were not because that was a very weak showing.

Is it really impossible for people like you to just enjoy the sport and appreciate other drivers' talents?


No. That doesn't mean a driver cannot still be called what he is.

Does every thread have to be "my driver's great and your's is a turd?"


Well your own posts certainly only promote that view.

It's just really very sad mate, that you can't manage to go more than a couple of posts without saying something negative about someone.


While at the same time you manage about zero posts without saying something negative about posters that don't agree with your world view. I don't think there's a question which is worse.

Ironically you could learn a lot from sean, who puts us all to shame in that department. Still, whatever makes you happy :


Yes the hell card could be a good move if used correctly. :up: :wave:

#38 brunopascal

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Posted 31 May 2007 - 20:13

Although I was a fan of Michael, I really liked Mika too. And I liked the fact that they got on so well, and had respect for each other.

This was evident in the MS goodbye party on RTL half a year ago. Mika had asked if he could participate, and surprised MS when he entered. He also gave MS a present: 3 unicycles, one for himself, and one for each kid. Then they talked about memories, and it ended with a go-kart race.

If you haven't, you should watch that show on youtube, it was really nice.

Part 10/13 (Mika enters in the end of the part)
Part 11/13 (Mika & Michael talks about memories)

For those of you that doesn't understand German it can be hard to follow, but you'll like it anyway I guess.

#39 AFCA

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Posted 31 May 2007 - 20:18

Just cannot explain how much I miss Schumacher watching this video !!

Brilliant fights indeed, we're saying that were 'the days' while it isn't even that long ago. But indeed F1 seem to be so changed...

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#40 mclarensmps

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Posted 31 May 2007 - 20:23

slapstick, you have no idea as to who SV is if you take half of what his caps read seriously...

It's all in good humour, and there's no reason to turn this thread into a slagfest. SV reserves the right to say that he doesn't want people to troll in the thread he started, and, indeed, if you wish to start an argument as to who was nicer or whatever, you should make your own thread.

As for SV taking a chillpill... he doesn't need one, he's a massively chilled out guy anyway :smoking:


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btw, i bet Mika would still rock half the punters on the grid had he continued on to race till today. Including my said favourite replacement Kimi.

#41 Group B

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Posted 31 May 2007 - 20:26

Originally posted by slapstick

No. That doesn't mean a driver cannot still be called what he is.

:rolleyes: So we should call Kimi a drunk exhibitionist in every single post and every thread?

Well your own posts certainly only promote that view.

Not at all; I rarely get into unprovoked bashing and am perfectly happy to give other drivers credit where due. Maybe you'd like to go see who I voted driver of the year in 2005 for example (hint - it wasn't MS)

While at the same time you manage about zero posts without saying something negative about posters that don't agree with your world view. Well your own posts certainly only promote that view. I don't think there's a question which is worse.


Hmm, let's look at this thread shall we? Before you arrived I'd posted twice, regarding three drivers, and all positive. I wonder what it was that made the thread go bitchy? :confused: :rolleyes:

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Posted 31 May 2007 - 20:52

Originally posted by slapstick


Yes MS was nice when he was caught off guard and didn't have time to react. :D How many times can you burn in hell? :lol:



The Burn in Hell stuff was light hearted stuff, I say that to all my f riends and foes, never take it serious.


And regading Schumacher:

Ok if you wanna play f1 moves on Schumacher, what was far worser then what Schumacher did to Mika at Spa?

Consider:

Damon Hill moving 3 TIMES THE LINE ON Michael Schumacher on a straight at high speed in Canada 1998, what was Hill doing? Having fun? There are no rules by the FIA regarding 3 times the line, but it is a driver conduct rule amongst themselfs, and many always stuck to it, and Hill broke it, and risked a dangerous accident, if the accident happened, then Hill would be to blame, it could of put Schuey in hospital. I think if it wasn't for the fact Michael was such a good racer, it could of been someone else and crashed into Hill, remember Michael still passed Hill after those 3 moves on the straight, so it wasn't seen as bad as Michael still won the race.

Move on to Schumacher M:

Unlike Hill in 1998, a championship was at stake, how many times did Michael move over to protect his position on the Spa straight in 2000 against Mika? He did it swifty, yes it looks dangerous, Mika didn't like it, but Michael didn't like what Hill did to him either, which was far dangerous, but did f1 fans give a toss if Michael was bitten? What Hill did was wrong-3moves, but what Michael did was still within the rules, but when do you use such moves? You risk it when you have too for the championship, , it may not have looked nice, but his wet tyres were fading, he was not going to get the same grip in the breaking points Mika was going to get on his dries, and rules are there to be utilised to the upmost, I don't think anyone was expecting Michael not to try and defend, infact he probabley would of been seek as a weak racer if he didn't try anything, Senna did something similar to Schumacher when he was younger, that time Senna gave little room, and Schumacher went off. I don't think the Spa incident is as bad as many have you believe, just because it was at a important stage of the championship and race, suddenly everyone gives a damn,
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LET MICHAEL SCHUMACHER DO DAMON HILL'S 3 TIMES THE LINE canada 98 move(on schuey then) move at any championship showdown and watch the world punish Schumacher.

Be truthful, it's fashion to make Michael's hard racing more profound then it really is, he's made some controversial moves, but so have other drivers, if it wasn't for the fact Michael was challenging for championships most of his career, and other drivers were not, it wouldn't of been such the discussion point.



And after all that, Spa 2000, I'm happy how it all played out, however the championship sorted it outself so we could get a great showdown in Japan was excellent. I don't think I've seen a better qualifying session between 2 drivers since Japan 2000, sporting wise with decent rules.

#43 Dragonfly

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Posted 01 June 2007 - 00:38

Sean, thank you. :up:

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Posted 01 June 2007 - 01:00

great vid Seanvalen. Thanks heaps. :up: :up: :up:

the years 96-01 were pretty damn good as far as Im concerned and Mika was a great driver and super quick on his day, no question. His battles with MS were spectacular, I still remember their shootout in qualifying at Imola in 2000. Stirring stuff. :up:

On that clip also is Hakkinens super start at monza in 1998, where he sliced his way between Schuey and Villeneuve, had never seen that onboard. :up:

and also a great vid of Schuey/Montoya posted there, thanks Robnyc. :up:

#45 slapstick

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Posted 01 June 2007 - 21:16

Originally posted by Group B
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:rolleyes: So we should call Kimi a drunk exhibitionist in every single post and every thread?

He has drinked which is a different thing than being a drunk. There are no proofs of exhibitionism whatsoever. M$ however has been punting and cheating numerous times on live TV.

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Posted 01 June 2007 - 21:26

TS:

At Monaco Belgian journalists asked Mika what he said to MS after Spa 2000 race. To straight question there was no straight answer. Then Hakkinen was asked if he would do same kind of a dangerous move to MS like MS did to him.

"No. I couldn't do that. Not in any way. For me the respect between competitors is important. When you drive F1 and have 300km/h at the speedometer if you do something nasty to the other one it is like you tried to kill him. It is not right."

Is that what you said to MS after the Spa race?

"Yes. Something to that direction."

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I think so much for the self gratifying respect for MH from Schumacher fans. :D

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Posted 02 June 2007 - 09:47

Originally posted by former champ
great vid Seanvalen. Thanks heaps. :up: :up: :up:

the years 96-01 were pretty damn good as far as Im concerned and Mika was a great driver and super quick on his day, no question. His battles with MS were spectacular, I still remember their shootout in qualifying at Imola in 2000. Stirring stuff. :up:

On that clip also is Hakkinens super start at monza in 1998, where he sliced his way between Schuey and Villeneuve, had never seen that onboard. :up:

and also a great vid of Schuey/Montoya posted there, thanks Robnyc. :up:

You mean,Suzuka 2000 qualifying,I guess...Was amazing to watch.

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Posted 02 June 2007 - 10:00

btw,i have been looking for the japan 2000 qualifying on youtube for quite sometime.Surprised it's not there.. :)

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Posted 02 June 2007 - 10:45

Originally posted by umapathypon
You mean,Suzuka 2000 qualifying,I guess...Was amazing to watch.


Last minutes of the Imola 2000 qualifying

Imola was very good as well, but with Mika taking the pole. Finns should appreciate the commentator first losing faith but then shouting Mika's name in orgasmic fashion at the end :lol:

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Posted 02 June 2007 - 11:31

Originally posted by slapstick


He has drinked which is a different thing than being a drunk. There are no proofs of exhibitionism whatsoever. M$ however has been punting and cheating numerous times on live TV.


Well, I really don't want to get into this as the whole climate of driver bashing here is so tiresome, they all have their faults just like the rest of us; but purely as a point of fact I guess that depends whether eyewitnesses count as "proof"

http://www.people.co...-name_page.html

May be a crumby tabloid, but I haven't noticed him suing them.