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[Tomecek]

Ufffff That was ugly!

Please, report condition...

[pacwest]

I slow-mo'd that in hi-def on my pvr. He went nearly head on into the wall at 300kph. I certainly hope it's strictly a lower extremities injury.

Without a HANS device this could have been a fatality.

I certainly hope Hamilton or Heidfeld gets to celebrate on the podium.

[Stian1979]

Worst I seen since Rubens in 1994.

Airborn and then suden stop in a wall.

I gues he won't race in USA because that was nasty, he will be in pain for a few week's I'm shure.

[Cypher]

Just heard on ITV from the team's press officer that the team were told Kubica is "stable" but he didn't know what's wrong.

[WACKO]

Ceccarelli confirms on Dutch TV Kubica is fully conscious, no shock only pain in the foot.
Uuff... we have been unbelievably lucky people

[EvilPhil II]

wow. good news

[doc540]

Far, far beyond "lucky".

Survival of that crash without major injury would border on the miraculous.

[Wolf]

Thanks guys- let's hope Dutch guys got the right news! I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

[pacwest]

Louise confirmed he's awake and bent. Indications were given to the doctors by him. So he should be ok.

[Cypher]

On ITV, Kubica's manager said he talked to him and says he seemed okay.

[WACKO]

Ceccarelli confirmed it in an interview on live TV and is associated to Kubica for physical condition as I heard. He knows.

[santori]

Excellent - incredible - news.

[AdrianM]

That was a sickening impact. So glad he is okay. That could have been so much worse - I know I feared the worst.

[TennisUK]

legolas86 you are disgusting.

[Buford]

It used to be said you are not a real race car diver until you come back to race after seeing your own blood. If he is a real racer, he will be back. This is auto racing, not tennis.

[Stian1979]

He's able to move he's arms and legs normaly and will be transported to hospital for futher checks.

I must have ben unconcious at one moment becahuse he seamed quite imobile in the car. No movement.

[Buford]

Yeah he got his bell rung big time for sure. Hope his legs are OK. It they are, safety has come a long long way for an open wheel chassis to sustain a full frontal hit like that with no leg injuries.

[jimm]

Originally posted by Buford
Yeah he got his bell rung big time for sure. Hope his legs are OK. It they are, safety has come a long long way for an open wheel chassis to sustain a full frontal hit like that with no leg injuries.

Well I think since they have made them put two bulk heads infont of the drivers feet, they have gotten much better. I remember correctly, MS broke his legs in britain from the flopping around inside the car instead of the usual crush injury.

[Buford]

Broken leg is the report. That's good I guess but unfortunately they lie about injuries, always have. Broken can mean shattered in parts no longer than an inch. I remember one year when they reported A. J. Foyt had a broken arm when actually it was only held onto his body by a strip of skin.

[kNt]

Originally posted by Stian1979
He's able to move he's arms and legs normaly and will be transported to hospital for futher checks.

I must have ben unconcious at one moment becahuse he seamed quite imobile in the car. No movement.

He closed and opened a fist in the car right after his crash.

Theissen told german tv maybe a roken anckle but not sure yet.

[wingwalker]

edit: his car was catapulted when it hit speed's car standing at the side of the track in a "safe" place. i suspect someone is going to be in troubles for this.

[GrzegorzChyla]

I must have ben unconcious at one moment becahuse he seamed quite imobile in the car. No movement. [/B]

From what I saw when the car stopped his hand moved slightly and then all froze...
ufff....
terrifying... made my fingertips cold until now...
recalled all my worst memories from 1982 and 1994...
Hope he gets well soon...

Grzegorz Chyla
(from Poland and GV's fan)

[F1Champion]

I'm pleased he's alright....that was one of the worst accidents I have seen in F1.

He has a broken leg and probably will be out for most of the season but I'm just happy he's alright.

[Fausta]

Really a tribute to modern safety in F1.
I was really disappointed when he replaced JV, but he deserved it and I hope he makes it back of the track this season!

[wingwalker]

video here direct link doesnt work.

[johndej]

i posted this on the live race thread after i heard he was ok. on a pic here, you can see kubica right after the crash w/ his feet extending out the end of the car. i certainly hope the change some regulations to keep the tub together better than that. *warning* its a bit of a graphic pic, only reason i'm posting the link is cause i know hes ok. http://uk.eurosport....rror-smash.html

[911]

That was an horrific crash and I'm very happy to hear that Kubica will be okay. I think track designers need to configure a barrier so it angles "away" from the track, versus "towards" it.

Greg Moore's accident was similar in that he hit a wall that was angled towards the track.

Anyway, just my 2 cents.

[Tigershark]

to F1, for making these cars amazingly safe. Close to every other class would have left Kubica in far, far worse conditions.

to the Canadian GP organisation. Kubica had three huge impacts because the walls are broken into small sections. If it wasn't, he probably would have slided along the first wall like they do in Indy and never even rolled over once.

I'm glad to hear he was somewhat OK, it looks like he might have broken a leg, but that'll heal in time. He's one lucky guy!

[andysaint]

In that picture are those his feet sticking out? Awful awful crash one of the worst I've seen in a long long time very very violent crash. Hope he gets better soon. Well done Nick on securing 2nd place.

[Tigershark]

Originally posted by andysaint
In that picture are those his feet sticking out?

Yes.

[jimm]

Originally posted by 911
That was an horrific crash and I'm very happy to hear that Kubica will be okay. I think track designers need to configure a barrier so it angles "away" from the track, versus "towards" it.

Greg Moore's accident was similar in that he hit a wall that was angled towards the track.

Anyway, just my 2 cents.

Well...there is never going to be a 100% safe barrier...and with a circuit like this one, you have to stop the cars from going accross where they could hit head on on the other side so there has to be a barrier there...I am not sure that you can do it where there would be no unfavorible angle.

[Risil]

Originally posted by 911
That was an horrific crash and I'm very happy to hear that Kubica will be okay. I think track designers need to configure a barrier so it angles "away" from the track, versus "towards" it.

Greg Moore's accident was similar in that he hit a wall that was angled towards the track.

Anyway, just my 2 cents.

Yeah, that definitely reminded me of Greg Moore's accident, and especially in the manner in which he was catapulted in the air by the tarmac apron/grass border thing. Stupid track design, but the basics behind that crash can't be removed unless you tell them to race at 50mph.

Some serious credit is due to the FIA's safety initiatives, though. No matter how their meddling may have influenced other aspects of the race, the fact that Robert is still alive is nothing short of astounding.

[fastlegs]

Originally posted by andysaint
In that picture are those his feet sticking out? Awful awful crash one of the worst I've seen in a long long time very very violent crash. Hope he gets better soon. Well done Nick on securing 2nd place.

I was about to ask the same question.

RK is one lucky kid to come out of such a horrific crash with only a broken leg. Thank God he is okay.

[sejanus]

Originally posted by doc540
Far, far beyond "lucky".

Survival of that crash without major injury would border on the miraculous.

not a miracle, just incredible engineering

[911]

Originally posted by jimm


Well...there is never going to be a 100% safe barrier...and with a circuit like this one, you have to stop the cars from going accross where they could hit head on on the other side so there has to be a barrier there...I am not sure that you can do it where there would be no unfavorible angle.

I guess my question is why do they need to have an angle? Would it be better if that wall just went straight down versus angling towards the track? Perhaps it's a space issue in Montreal (however, this was not the case w/ Moore's accident as there was ample space since that barriers was in the infield of that track).

Anyway, good post. Have a good one, jimm.

[prty]

Originally posted by jimm


Well...there is never going to be a 100% safe barrier...and with a circuit like this one, you have to stop the cars from going accross where they could hit head on on the other side so there has to be a barrier there...I am not sure that you can do it where there would be no unfavorible angle.

But that thing is easily avoidable. In high speeds corners, and the bend leading the hairpin can be considered that even if it's taken flat out, either you use a very big run off area or don't use it at all. See what they did in that very same circuit in the corner where Panis broke his legs. The right thing IMO. I also think that had the wall of Tamburello been closer to the road instead of further, Senna wouldn't have died.

See this as illustration. He had a brake failure IIRC. But had he stayed close to the wall instead of trying to make the corner, the crash would have been much lighter.

[holiday]

Lauda was spot on when he said that in his time a driver would have died twice from that accident. He really looked shaken.

[TheSaltire]

Video of RK crash...

http://video.google....ica crash&hl=en

[doc540]

Originally posted by sejanus


not a miracle, just incredible engineering

Except, of course, for the course layout and barrier design.

Watch the video.

With both feet exposed, a final turn of only a few degrees would have destroyed his feet against the steel barrier. Even the "incredibly designed" tub was shattered and left both feet vulnerable.

[noikeee]

Now for Indy.. Glock, Vettel or will Kubica already be fit?

[Risil]

Originally posted by paranoik0
Now for Indy.. Glock, Vettel or will Kubica already be fit?

Broken legs tend not to heal quickly... And Vettel's in WSR for the express reason that he's free for F1 weekends, so it will be him.

[noikeee]

Originally posted by Risil


Broken legs tend not to heal quickly... And Vettel's in WSR for the express reason that he's free for F1 weekends, so it will be him.

There's no GP2 this weekend neither, so Glock is available.

And is it confirmed Robert broke a leg? I know of the McLaren radio to Hamilton, but I've heard different versions.

[slapstick]

I posted on the live thread that the track barriers were all ****ed up when they didn't follow the track but were at such an angle where it's possible to have almost head on collision.

[doc540]

Originally posted by slapstick
I posted on the live thread that the track barriers were all ****ed up when they didn't follow the track but were at such an angle where it's possible to have almost head on collision.

And why would Safer barriers not have been installed in such an obviously dangerous location??

[Risil]

Originally posted by paranoik0


There's no GP2 this weekend neither, so Glock is available.

And is it confirmed Robert broke a leg? I know of the McLaren radio to Hamilton, but I've heard different versions.

True, but BMW's actions regarding Vettel do suggest that he's ahead in the pecking order. As does the fact that he *is* their third driver. Additionally, if Kubica's absence stretches into the European season, Glock won't be able to race F1 then, so it makes sense to keep with Vettel for as long as they need to.

And I have read on several websites (Grandprix.com, Crash.net, and Autosport.com, among others) that he does indeed have a broken leg. It'll all become clear in the next few hours, anyhow.

*EDIT: Not Autosport.com

[MaxScelerate]

Originally posted by doc540


Except, of course, for the course layout and barrier design.

Watch the video.

With both feet exposed, a final turn of only a few degrees would have destroyed his feet against the steel barrier. Even the "incredibly designed" tub was shattered and left both feet vulnerable.

Watch the satellite and overhead views of the track, the wall isn't angled as much as the compressed, zoomed-in video would lead you to think. *Assuming they didn't **** with them during the weekend". Still, some changes might be necessary to make it better. Prty `s suggestion of a closer wall might be good.

[doc540]

Originally posted by slapstick
I posted on the live thread that the track barriers were all ****ed up when they didn't follow the track but were at such an angle where it's possible to have almost head on collision.

And why would Safer barriers not have been installed in such an obviously dangerous location??

[F1Champion]

The worst thing I think was when the car launched up after hitting the grass(??), from there on in he was flying straight into the barrier. Had the car not launched there would of been a small chance of him steering away and hitting the barrier with the right tip of the nose and right front wheel absorbing some of the crash.

I'm just happy he's alright because the speed he went into the barrier was terrifying.

[doc540]

"I'm just happy he's alright because the speed he went into the barrier was terrifying."

Absolutely!

I still think it's miraculous he didn't suffer more grave injuries.

[4MEN]

Originally posted by wingwalker



edit: his car was catapulted when it hit speed's car standing at the side of the track in a "safe" place. i suspect someone is going to be in troubles for this.

I can't believe no one at Tele 5 (spanish tv) realised at the moment that a car was parked there and Kubica crashed with it. If the car crash against the wall it will slide, so the concrete wall is much safer than the piles of tires (remember Panis crash in 96). But there was a car in the run-off!!!

The circuit should get a fine.