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[F1Fanatic.co.uk]

Anyone find that one boring?

[kar]

Originally posted by F1Fanatic.co.uk
Anyone find that one boring?

For racing? Hmm it wasn't great.

But by the measure of modern F1 it was a bit of a classic wasn't it?

Dunno what that says about F1, but there was at least some overtaking. Kubica's crash really dampened it for me, Lewis drove faultlessly and quick, Alonso provided the entertainment whether with his comedy hour mistakes or his stunning speed in clean air.

And Sato - get in their lad, very good stuff

Not a bad GP, maybe the best one we've had this year. Just sadly it seems it takes abnormal circumstances to introduce any entertainment to F1 now.

And of course noone ever wants abnormal circumstances to be in the shape of Kubica's horror smash.

[Tigershark]

If it's a crashfest coupled with more Safety Car situations than an entire season should have, then yes, it was good.

I disagree; Terrible.

[Bloggsworth]

Not a lot of racing compared with today's MotoGP; but exiting in its way. Most notably it changed the face of Formula One, in that a 22 year old rookie put on a display of such mastery that one is forced to reassess even Schumacher's and Senna's emergent Grand Prix careers.

[Motormedia]

I hope the ones who voted here is not the same ones answering FIA:s surveys. Max is taking those surveys way too serious and if this is what people want, then I'm out of it. This was a terrible race by all accounts. The only consolation was that Hamiltons and Heidfelds podium finishes were well deserved. they werent compromised by alal the crap that went on. The rest was just a lottery and parody of a race. The safety car was deployed too many times to be called a safety car. Every time it comes out the tire temps drops and there's a huge risk of more crashes happening. But it's not the safety car itself that is the problem. The track has to go from the calendar. Proper races can't be run there.

Motormedia.

[president evil]

2 people have voted terrible ?????? What more do they want ??????

[Tigershark]

Originally posted by Bloggsworth
Not a lot of racing compared with today's MotoGP; but exiting in its way. Most notably it changed the face of Formula One, in that a 22 year old rookie put on a display of such mastery that one is forced to reassess even Schumacher's and Senna's emergent Grand Prix careers.

One shouldn't compare Hamilton's season to the first of Senna and Schumacher, but to similar debut seasons like that of Villeneuve in 1996.

[Motormedia]

Originally posted by president evil
2 people have voted terrible ?????? What more do they want ??????

I can answer as I am one of the two who voted terrible. What we saw today was drama but the end result had less to do with racing than anything else. We also saw a terrible crash, certainly something I want to see less of and I pity those who saw the crash as something exciting or entertaining. It was sickening. I'd like to see uninterrupted racing, not safety car periods over and over again. Those who thought this was entertaining should watch stock car.

Motormedia

[panzani]

Weird.

[schead]

Originally posted by Tigershark

One shouldn't compare Hamilton's season to the first of Senna and Schumacher, but to similar debut seasons like that of Villeneuve in 1996.

Indeed, Hamilton has got his first pole and win on his 6th race. Villeneuve got his first win on his 4th race and his first pole on his first race.

[Leyser]

Where is the "NASCAR" option?

This was a crashfest with extremely little racing. On one hand - through sheer novelty - it was very good. On the other hand, from a pure racing point of view, it was bad (though in the midst of it all, there was quite a lot of overtaking!).

[schead]

Originally posted by president evil
2 people have voted terrible ?????? What more do they want ??????

I should imagine that they are either Tifosi or Spanish.

[F1Champion]

I don't know how to rate it. In parts it was exciting but for all the wrong reasons.

At least there was passing. I feared there wouldn't be many moves possible down the back straight but there was a few good moves there and into T1 and the hairpin.

[santori]

At the time of Robert's accident I'd have tended to 'terrible'; when the news came that he was alright, it suddenly seemed much more enjoyable.

It wasn't great but it kept the attention and there was some overtaking.

[Leif Snellman]

Originally posted by president evil
2 people have voted terrible ?????? What more do they want ??????

They probably want RACING with some kind of sportsmanship, not disgusting NASCAR

[Mauseri]

Originally posted by president evil
2 people have voted terrible ?????? What more do they want ??????

Maybe less safety cars mixing the pack.

Hard to vote the poll. The race certainly wasnt boring, but it wasnt great one either.

[Victor]

Originally posted by president evil
2 people have voted terrible ?????? What more do they want ??????

Just a real race...

[Spunout]

No racing?

This was the first race this year with drivers passing on track, TV audience not knowing the result after 3 first laps. We also had grandstands full of enthusiastic fans (!!!). I loved to actually hear people cheering for Sato in the end. Fantastic stuff!

Unfortunately, the new SC rule is lottery and Kubica had that unlucky accident. But hey, it´s racing.

[Bloggsworth]

Tigershark,

Just when did Hamilton win the Indy 500 and the series?

[Buford]

For 90 years racing was a pissing contest among madmen. Today it is a powder puff sand box game played by manicured pretty boy dilitants most of the time. This was an old style take no prisoners auto race with equal parts go for it insanity and pure terror. This was racing. Sweaters tied around the shoulders sunglasses on head limp-wristed hand wringing "fans"... don't let the door hit your sweet candy asses on your way out.

[KiwiF1]

Apart from Kubica's huge accident - this was a great race, drivers having to deal with the changing car due to tyres cooling during Safety car period is all part and parcel of being a good driver, as is avoiding walls, others accidents and generally staying out of trouble.

Those who think this was a terrible rate obviously can't vote on the Barcelona's, Hungary's and Monza races as these can't even rate.

Definately worth the 4.30 am start on a Monday morning, a well deserved win for Hamilton, a great second for Heidfeld and for all those who think Alex Wurz does not deserve every inch of his third live in an unreal world.

[wheelock]

I often read posts here about how boring crap etc each GP is.
Then why do you continue to watch it?

Would it be better if there were no F1?

I just try to appreciate the good points and, well enjoy it!

One day it will be gone.









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[Buford]

I watch it because I always have since the 1960s and once in a blue moon they put on a **** kicker like today. Good show. I am pleased to see 78% of the voters currently seem to have enjoyed seeing a real race for a change. Maybe this forum is not filled with as many idiots as I thought. Only 25 %.

[holiday]

Originally posted by Buford
For 90 years racing was a pissing contest among madmen. Today it is a powder puff sand box game played by manicured pretty boy dilitants most of the time. This was an old style take no prisoners auto race with equal parts go for it insanity and pure terror. This was racing. Sweaters tied around the shoulders sunglasses on head limp-wristed hand wringing "fans"... don't let the door hit your sweet candy asses on your way out.

I am fond of you, but you should really better stay at TNF with that attitude...

[Spunout]

There are 15 "negative" votes so far. What I find great is more than half of them voted "terrible" or "rubbish", suggesting people either loved or hated the race today. That´s fantastic. We need more of this and less races that hover between "dull" and "average".

Motorspors is supposed to be exciting. Something that keeps you nailed to the TV and gives plenty of things to discuss about afterwards. "Whoa! Did you see how Sato passed Alonso? Who would have predicted Wurz finishing on podium? Great to hear Kubica is ok!".

Today we had all that

Bring on Spa.

[schead]

Originally posted by Bloggsworth
Tigershark,

Just when did Hamilton win the Indy 500 and the series?

GP2 is a much more like for like series than Indy. Hamilton won GP2, which gives a much better introduction to F1 than Indy.

[Bloggsworth]

And just how many years in 800BHP Indycars did Villenueve have before he joined F1?

Senna came from F3 a standard feeder for F1; Schumacher from a World Sports Car Championship win, both raced under European style rules on European circuits, so the comparison is more valid.

Villeneuve, with enormous experience in powerful single seaters, sitting in the best car of its time, started impressively with a pole then won his 4th race, but he lacked the consistency shown by Hamilton; and it is this, as much as his sheer speed, which marks Hamilton out from the rest of the field - 6 races and an average finishing position of 2nd, having never finished lower than 3rd, it is the sort of start to a GP career that even Senna would only have dreamed about; OK, he's got one of the 4 best cars out there, but he is still driving it, on average, over race distances ( And after all, this is the only speed which counts in the results column ) faster than Alonso; if he weren't, given that both have finished all 6 races, he wouldn't be leading the Championship. Hamilton's level of maturity, consistency and racecraft is far beyond the norm for a driver with only 6 GPs under his belt.

[ensign14]

The standard of driving generally was pretty poor. Which often makes for an entertaining race. And simply shows how good the likes of Wurz actually are...

[LB]

Originally posted by holiday


I am fond of you, but you should really better stay at TNF with that attitude...

Why, he's right.

The Kubica crash thread is a prime example. The boy is fine, had his bell rung. We do not need to repremand the track officials or tarmac Canada or have run off extending to Buffalo. Motor Sport is dangerous. Maybe everyone needs reminding sometime.

[Orin]

Originally posted by Buford
For 90 years racing was a pissing contest among madmen. Today it is a powder puff sand box game played by manicured pretty boy dilitants most of the time. This was an old style take no prisoners auto race with equal parts go for it insanity and pure terror. This was racing. Sweaters tied around the shoulders sunglasses on head limp-wristed hand wringing "fans"... don't let the door hit your sweet candy asses on your way out.

I've missed your robust style.

Have to say I agree: Canada showed what happens when you've a circuit that punishes mistakes but also allows overtaking, and we saw plenty of both on Sunday.

It was the most exciting GP of a season which has been largely boring and showed exactly why F1 needs to keep the classic circuits (bring back Suzuka!) rather than going for ever more glamourous Tilkedromes.

A fantastic race and the only thing wrong with the safety cars is the rule that forces drivers to opt for a 10 second stop & go penalty as they'd otherwise have run out of fuel.

[HP]

Weird would be my choice.

Since it's not available, I voted terrible. The new SC car rules and the Kubica crash spoilt it for me. The positive thing was LH and NH. But since I don't vote because of the race results. I'll put a terrible to this race.

[MattFoster]

I gave it a seven as at least it wasnt the normal snoozefest F1 has become

[MattFoster]

Originally posted by Buford
I watch it because I always have since the 1960s and once in a blue moon they put on a **** kicker like today. Good show. I am pleased to see 78% of the voters currently seem to have enjoyed seeing a real race for a change. Maybe this forum is not filled with as many idiots as I thought. Only 25 %.

You really are Da Man mate! Well said.

[Owen]

Kubica's accident was not pleasant viewing at all. That apart, it was entertaining if a little chaotic.

[Stian1979]

I voted good.

If the FIA SC rules did not mess it up I would gone for great.

Had RB not had sutch a bed crash that made me feel uncomfetable I would vote fantastic.

[FredF1]

Originally posted by HP
Weird would be my choice.

Since it's not available, I voted terrible. The new SC car rules and the Kubica crash spoilt it for me. The positive thing was LH and NH. But since I don't vote because of the race results. I'll put a terrible to this race.

I felt pretty much the same.


The whole attitude of Sure there's always a safety car or two at Montreal just pissed me off. As if it's some sort of excuse for poor driving in a
Well, if it isn't me causing a crash, it'll be someone else dismissive manner.

[Frank Tuesday]

Originally posted by president evil
2 people have voted terrible ?????? What more do they want ??????

Maybe they want sport? Safety cars (in their current form) have no place in the sport of racing. People getting massive penalties for choosing a pit strategy that happened to interfere with someone else's plans of throwing their car into the wall. Leaders losing their gaps to trailing cars for the same reason. Then there is the fact that safety cars tend to lead to more safety cars. Kubica likely wouldn't have gone off after contact with Trulli, because they wouldn't have been anywhere near each other if the cars hadn't been bunched up, with faster cars stuck behind slower ones.

[PassWind]

More than likely just pissed Ferrari and Alonso fans, polls are always skewed because of this, nothing new here.

Pretty decent race, good mix up as the results and Sato really made my day watching the guy push right through to the end, somewhat unusal last stint some would say.

[Keir]

A little bit of history with Hamilton and Takuma Sato showing what can be done with very little !!

[MikeTekRacing]

i voted terrible
nothing to do with the sport, pure lottery
if you really enjoyed the artificial show, nascar could be the solution for you. but please rule makers, leave f1 like it was and revert the stupid SC rules

[roadie]

It was absorbing but the race itself was ruined due to the penalties that Rosberg and Alsonso were given.

I would liken the race to a Michael Bay film. Lots of glitzy explosions that get in the way of the plot, which is given secondary consideration.

[Buford]

Originally posted by Orin


I've missed your robust style.

Have to say I agree: Canada showed what happens when you've a circuit that punishes mistakes but also allows overtaking, and we saw plenty of both on Sunday.

It was the most exciting GP of a season which has been largely boring and showed exactly why F1 needs to keep the classic circuits (bring back Suzuka!) rather than going for ever more glamourous Tilkedromes.

Thanks but nah I messed it up. I forgot to throw in "metrosexual" and "Euro-chic." Let me try again.

Sweaters tied around the shoulders, sunglasses on head, limp-wristed, hand wringing, metrosexual, Euro-chic, "fans"... don't let the door hit your sweet candy asses on your way out!!!!!!!

Yeah, yeah, now I feel better.

[ASD]

I voted a 4, not that it actually was tedious, but the safety car periods make it a lottery - I'd rather watch a race without, even if that might have meant Hamilton finishing a lap clear of everyone down to about 3rd place, with no effective opposition.

[Ciao]

The worst GP I watched in years, Indy 2005 aside. It seemed a NASCAR race rather than F1. It was total shite (nothing taken away from Lewis who drove a masterful race despite the absurd things happening around him. In fact, the race development was against him, not in his favor). Really, if this is what Montreal can offer, marbles and all, let's move on, I hated this race.

[emburmak]

It has been the best race of the season with more spirited overtaking/attempts than all the previous races put together. To sum up Alonso was a blind matador, sato a peerless Samurai!

[rjsa]

Originally posted by Motormedia


I can answer as I am one of the two who voted terrible. What we saw today was drama but the end result had less to do with racing than anything else. We also saw a terrible crash, certainly something I want to see less of and I pity those who saw the crash as something exciting or entertaining. It was sickening. I'd like to see uninterrupted racing, not safety car periods over and over again. Those who thought this was entertaining should watch stock car.

Motormedia

I got sickened by the crash, but relieved before the end with better than expected news. Despite that, there was a lot of passing. Even the most unexpexted one, Sato on FA. From the outside. I'm supporting Massa, and his result was poor. But it was the best race this year, for sure. The way things are today, the SC is a great thing. Joins and shuffles the pack, and spares us from huge boring motorades. And if I had a way to watch NASCAR live here be sure I'd be doing that. If CART evolved like it was trying I'd sure be watching it. I just keep watching F1 because I'm strong headed (stupid?) as a mule.

[metz]

Originally posted by Buford
This was an old style take no prisoners auto race with equal parts go for it insanity and pure terror. This was racing.

Absolutely...

Why is everyone blaming the SC.
The SC was caused by stupid driver errors. Blame the drivers.

We had an awful lot of stupid, stupid errors.
Pros drove like rookies and rookies drove like pros.

Screw up and you pay the price ...
That's what racing is about.

[Jodum5]

I voted it a 10 on the basis that it was a great race with alot of action and I happened to be in the middle of it (section 22 just away from the Kubica shunt)