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#1 dbltop

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Posted 11 June 2007 - 17:37

Here are some of my pics from the weekend.

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#2 K-One

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Posted 11 June 2007 - 17:40

Wow, great pics :up:

What camera etc..?

#3 jonpollak

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Posted 11 June 2007 - 18:09

Lord almighy...
You were right there as it happened.

How the hell did you keep the camera steady?
I was shaking like a leaf for 20 minutes till I heard he was OK

Jp

PS...any shots of A/A folk?

#4 Jhope

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Posted 11 June 2007 - 18:24

Nice pics. :up:

Mine should be up soon. I have 500 to look through. :(

#5 molive

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Posted 11 June 2007 - 18:30

Good zooming and panning! (tough, the slow hairpin helps a lot too right?) :up:

#6 miniman

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Posted 11 June 2007 - 18:43

Very nice dbltop, obviously you are not a mere dilettante. Thanks for sharing!

#7 wingwalker

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Posted 11 June 2007 - 18:58

one would need a onboard from kubica's car to determine who's fault it was, but the contact itself looked like a fairly standard racing accident.


edit: well i just watched the replay from the high-positioned camera. it doesn't look like trulli left kubica enough space at all.

#8 AFCA

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Posted 11 June 2007 - 18:58

Nice pics, thanks for posting.

Interesting to see that BMW Saubers gills still look 'cooked' from the hot air in that area, but apperantly it's no problem.

About the accident: In the hospital Kubica said it was Trull's fault. Trulli himself said that he felt a blow from behind, which is true as later he had a rear right tyre puncture. Other eye witnesses say that Kubica and Trulli were already driving side by side when Kubica lifted off in the grass. ''Not right'', Trulli states. ''I didn't change my racing line.'' (He's right, on the tv images you could clearly see Kubica coming from behind Trulli - AFCA).

The stewards investigated the accident by looking at three different camera positions. A steward: ''With his frontwing, Kubica slightly touched the Toyota. The BMW must have lost downforce, then the car lifted and crashed against the wall. We cannot point out who's fault it is. From our point of view Trulli left Kubica enough space.

It might not have been his fault, but basically every lap after the accident Trulli asked his team on the radio how Kubica was doing. ''The time of uncertainty wasn't a nice feeling.''

The FIA is investigating the black box of Kubica's F1.07 and his damaged helmet as well to learn about the accident and try to provide more safety for the future.

Kubica had to withstand a force of 28 G (as he weighs 73 kg, that is equal to 2.040 kg !).

Kubica: ''I hope I can drive in Indianapolis, that the doctors will give me the permission (he'll hear it on Thursday). I had a lot of luck. It was a heavy crash and I'm lucky not get hurt.''

He also said he can remember almost everything that happened.

#9 macoran

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Posted 11 June 2007 - 20:19

Originally posted by AFCA
Kubica had to withstand a force of 28 G (as he weighs 73 kg, that is equal to 2.040 kg !).


Who's figures ?
I would have envisaged a hell of a lot more on the initial impact head on into the wall !!

#10 AFCA

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Posted 11 June 2007 - 20:46

AMuS wrote that, they must have asked BMW.

#11 Antonio

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Posted 11 June 2007 - 20:53

Congrats for the pics, high quality on them all.

I have been shocked by the first one concerning Kubica's crash, you can see the driver's feet out of the car!!!

#12 sopwith_uk

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Posted 11 June 2007 - 21:00

Great pics thanks.

#13 jb_128

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Posted 11 June 2007 - 21:45

Originally posted by AFCA

Kubica had to withstand a force of 28 G (as he weighs 73 kg, that is equal to 2.040 kg !).


28 G? That's not a lot at all.
:confused: I guess that explains why he lives. Modern F1's must be extremely good at absorbing impacts.

EDIT: from Wikipedia:

Formula One racing car driver David Purley survived an estimated 179.8 g in 1977 when he decelerated from 173 km·h−1 (108 mph) to 0 in a distance of 66 cm (26 inches) after his throttle got stuck wide open and he hit a wall

#14 Jhope

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Posted 11 June 2007 - 23:25

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#15 prty

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Posted 11 June 2007 - 23:38

Originally posted by jb_128


28 G? That's not a lot at all.
:confused: I guess that explains why he lives. Modern F1's must be extremely good at absorbing impacts.

EDIT: from Wikipedia:

Formula One racing car driver David Purley survived an estimated 179.8 g in 1977 when he decelerated from 173 km·h−1 (108 mph) to 0 in a distance of 66 cm (26 inches) after his throttle got stuck wide open and he hit a wall


Brack has the record with 200+ G. I don't believe it was only 28 G, Massa a few years ago also in the hairpin reached 100 G, and he wasn't unconscious.

#16 tripleM

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Posted 11 June 2007 - 23:44

Man those pic are scary life like.

Amazing RK's feet didn't get severed.

#17 Jhope

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Posted 12 June 2007 - 00:14

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#18 Booker

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Posted 12 June 2007 - 02:10

Nice Pics Jhope :up:

#19 Jhope

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Posted 12 June 2007 - 02:18

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#20 Ivan

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Posted 12 June 2007 - 02:52

Fantastic pics!!!

#21 Jhope

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Posted 12 June 2007 - 02:56

Thanks, but I still have to work on those BMW pics. The white balance is waaaaay off.

#22 dbltop

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Posted 12 June 2007 - 06:21

The day-glo red on Kubicas helmet is very good though. Nice pics JHope! My camera is an auto focus Kodak with a 10X optical zoom, half shutter focuses it and full shutter takes the picture. So you focus on a spot and then follow the car to that spot and shoot. There is no trick to it except to take lots of pics and delete the ones that you screw up

#23 AFCA

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Posted 12 June 2007 - 09:06

Originally posted by jb_128


28 G? That's not a lot at all.
:confused: I guess that explains why he lives. Modern F1's must be extremely good at absorbing impacts.

EDIT: from Wikipedia:

Formula One racing car driver David Purley survived an estimated 179.8 g in 1977 when he decelerated from 173 km·h−1 (108 mph) to 0 in a distance of 66 cm (26 inches) after his throttle got stuck wide open and he hit a wall


Maybe not then, Denis (the doctor in the hospital) said he had a frontal impact of 45 G and 40 G from the side...So with the 28 G it's a bit contradictory.

Anyway, maybe the car might well have had an impact of 100 G or more but Kubica, thanks to all the safety measures, took not even half of that...?! After all he only had a bruised ankle...

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Posted 12 June 2007 - 09:10

Originally posted by dbltop
The day-glo red on Kubicas helmet is very good though. Nice pics JHope! My camera is an auto focus Kodak with a 10X optical zoom, half shutter focuses it and full shutter takes the picture. So you focus on a spot and then follow the car to that spot and shoot. There is no trick to it except to take lots of pics and delete the ones that you screw up


Mate, if you took those with a non-slr then you deserve even more credit. The timing on those compact camera can be appalling so getting the sort of close-up shots you have? Brilliant stuff.

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Posted 12 June 2007 - 11:24

Originally posted by AFCA
The FIA is investigating the black box of Kubica's F1.07 and his damaged helmet as well to learn about the accident and try to provide more safety for the future.

Kubica had to withstand a force of 28 G (as he weighs 73 kg, that is equal to 2.040 kg !).


Some clarification. Since 1999 an ADR (accident data recorder) is in every car. It records speeds, delay values at impacts and forces etc.

Kubica hit the wall with at a 30 degree angle (with a speed of 285 km/h), and he sustained an average force of 28 G. The second impact (on the otherside of the track) was again hit with a 30 degree angle (but the speed was a lot lower so the G forces weren't so high that time - AFCA). Whiting confirmed this.

Rampf: ''All safety measures worked very well. We anxiously await the FIA results. The peak value of the impact was definately higher than 28 G, you can see that at the damage of the chassis.''

Watkins: ''With such a crash the body and head will always have something. It could be dangerous when you get another crash shortly afterwards.''

BMW asked physiotherapist Leberer to keep a close eye on Kubica the next couple of days and to study the results of the checks the doctors performed in Montreal.

Before 16:00 on Thursday Kubica will need to undergo a test to find out whether he's allowed to start or not. Before the start of the season every driver needs to undergo a 25 minute long test behind a computer. Reaction speed, coordination and logical reasoning are tested. In case a driver has a heavy crash like Kubica, he will need to undergo this test again before he's allowed to step in the car. The results of the tests will be compared, in case they turn out to be too different he's not allowed to race.

#26 dbltop

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Posted 12 June 2007 - 16:47

:blush: Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

#27 vsubravet

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Posted 12 June 2007 - 17:00

Fantastic pics from 'dbltop' & 'jhope' :up: 'jhope', among the pictures that you posted I liked the one with Kimi in the Ferrari - that car looks gorgeous in that shot :up:

#28 Ciao

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Posted 12 June 2007 - 18:45

Best picture by far: Lewis celebrating arm up with a Totti fan cheering him up!!!!

#29 AcuraF1

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Posted 12 June 2007 - 19:00

Great pics - I especially love the Fisi pic with the shadows and the fans in the foreground. The livery looks great in that shot IMO.

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Posted 12 June 2007 - 19:06

Originally posted by AFCA


Maybe not then, Denis (the doctor in the hospital) said he had a frontal impact of 45 G and 40 G from the side...So with the 28 G it's a bit contradictory.

Anyway, maybe the car might well have had an impact of 100 G or more but Kubica, thanks to all the safety measures, took not even half of that...?! After all he only had a bruised ankle...


I woud think if an F1 car takes an impact of 100G, everything even remotely or rigidly attached to the car, by seatbelts or nuts and bolts will sustain the same deceleration ?

#31 MattFoster

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Posted 12 June 2007 - 21:11

Great pics! Thanks for sharing.

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Posted 12 June 2007 - 21:18

Originally posted by macoran


I woud think if an F1 car takes an impact of 100G, everything even remotely or rigidly attached to the car, by seatbelts or nuts and bolts will sustain the same deceleration ?


Not exactly... if an element of the package (in this case, the driver) is isolated from the car's body by some shock absorbing material (high density foams of some kind), then this element will have a slightly lower deceleration rate than all the elements that are not isolated from the car's body.

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Also, when the body of the car itself is shock absorbing (deforming material), the farther an element on the car is from the impact point, the lower the deceleration rate will be for that element.
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The driver in today's F1 cars are way better protected than just a few years ago. There is no common measure with the level of protection of the 70's F1 cars.

#33 f1sl

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Posted 13 June 2007 - 02:18

28G's or not his feet were exposed :eek: http://www.autosport...to.php/id/75971

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Posted 13 June 2007 - 02:55

EXCELLENT pics guys!

Sorry if this question has been asked earlier - but were those taken with digital cameras, and if so, which? I've always had a problem getting good shots of moving cars due to the elctronic shutter on the digital cameras which don't tend to have the same - er - immediacy of the old mechanical shutters on the 35 mms...

Again - very nice pics guys!

#35 Jhope

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Posted 13 June 2007 - 04:30

Nikon D70s with a Sigma APO 70-300mm lense (very crappy but cheap) I'm actualy looking for a 400mm 3.5 but God knows how much I'll find one for. Might just get a telephoto extender.

#36 dbltop

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Posted 13 June 2007 - 05:53

I use a Kodak DX6490 . Easy to use.

#37 Owen

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Posted 13 June 2007 - 12:31

:up: Great work :up:

#38 Jhope

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Posted 13 June 2007 - 13:08

A couple of more, and some re-works.

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#39 Atreiu

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Posted 13 June 2007 - 15:20

Great shots of winglets. Did I see some cars behind them?
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#40 SCHUEYFAN

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Posted 13 June 2007 - 15:59

Hey dbltp, you were sitting in grandstand 24, section 2, row AA, seat 3? I took almost identical pictures of the crash and there was someone sitting beside me with a Nikon D2.

#41 Zmeej

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Posted 13 June 2007 - 16:57

Phenomenal pics guys! :clap:

Thanks! :kiss:

#42 dbltop

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Posted 13 June 2007 - 16:58

HaHa, close, I was in seat 16 but you got the section and row correct. If you are a subscriber, go to the Autosport pics and look for the one showing the " Go Ant " sign. My stepson is shown clearly as well as the person on the other side of me, but , alas, I was sitting down so not very visible. Sheesh, my claim to fame is, " LOOKIT, THATS MY ARM RIGHT THERE". :D

#43 SCHUEYFAN

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Posted 13 June 2007 - 18:20

Saw the picture on Atlas. Next year, we're moving to section 5 for better pictures of the cars entering the hairpin. I've been to a number of tracks and grandstands at Montreal but these must be some of the best, if not the best, seats in Formula 1. You can probably spit onto the cars below you. I'll upload some of my pics later.

#44 dbltop

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Posted 14 June 2007 - 00:41

Yes, section 5 is better but almost impossible to get seats in the front row, as they are renewed by the smart people that return each year. When they send the renewal forms, they ask for seat preference and I prefer to sit in the AA row so I take what I can get.

#45 dbltop

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Posted 14 June 2007 - 01:58

Here are some more.

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#46 dbltop

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Posted 14 June 2007 - 02:10

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#47 scotchman

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Posted 14 June 2007 - 18:19

Quality pictures Man!

Nice one!

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#48 dajwalia

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Posted 15 June 2007 - 03:33

Thursday Photos
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Car template they use for marking the pitstop lines.
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Park Jean Drapeau
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Honda Engineers conforming the measurements of car to standrard in FIA scruteneering area
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Typical Thursday Renault Walk of circuit
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Sutil
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Vettel while giving me autograph
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Posted 15 June 2007 - 07:29

An excellent contribution to us viewers, thanks for the pictures.

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