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Originally posted by Cris
(snip) Mario, on the other hand...his personality seems hewn from successes at such unique track. (snip)
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Posted 03 July 2007 - 20:06
Originally posted by Lotus23
Henry, while I never attended a race at Langhorne, I did talk to an old-timer who'd run a sprint car on the dirt there. He was a tough old buzzard, but said that the place put the fear of God in him.
According to Allan E. Brown in The History of America's Speedways, it ran from 1926 to 1971; originally dirt, it was paved in late '64/early '65 and "is now [1994] a shopping center".
The name always makes me think of "Puke Hollow" and of Mike Nazaruk and Jimmy Bryan, both of whom lost their lives there.
Joel
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Posted 09 July 2007 - 14:19
Ralph Hankinson was THE major racing promoter in pre-WW2 USofA. He started out in the teens, and in 1924 (I think) he became the promoter of the Reading (PA) Fairgounds, one of the best and most used halfmiles in the East. Eventually, he promoted races all over the East and some in the Midwest as well. His position was such, that when Eddie Rickenbacker lured his "circuit" into AAA in 1927, it virtually deleted the IMCA in the East, and was the start of major AAA involvement in dirt track racing.Originally posted by taylov
My earliest Langhorne program is from May 1939 when Duke Nalon won the feature " Orange City Hotel Speedstakes" from Tommy Hinnershitz.
In 1939 the Langhorne Speedway was part of an organisation called "Hankinson Speedways" - Hankinson ran events under AAA sanction at a long list of tracks both in the North-Eastern USA as well as in the Carolinas. The tracks at Trenton, Williams Grove and Reading were included in the Hankinson schedule for 1939.
Can anyone provide any information on Hankinson. By 1946 Langhorne was promoted as "Babcock's Langhorne Speedway"
Posted 09 July 2007 - 14:21
Bryan died at Puke Hollow, but I believe Nazaruk's crash was a little further up the road, at the end of the "backstretch"?!?Originally posted by Lotus23
Henry, while I never attended a race at Langhorne, I did talk to an old-timer who'd run a sprint car on the dirt there. He was a tough old buzzard, but said that the place put the fear of God in him.
According to Allan E. Brown in The History of America's Speedways, it ran from 1926 to 1971; originally dirt, it was paved in late '64/early '65 and "is now [1994] a shopping center".
The name always makes me think of "Puke Hollow" and of Mike Nazaruk and Jimmy Bryan, both of whom lost their lives there.
Joel
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Posted 05 May 2008 - 10:51
Originally posted by fines
So that scotches assertions that it was a 'perfect circle'! Also, the paved circuit wasn't that different from the dirt track, the "back straight" was still far from straight! O to D shape? Not really.
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Posted 10 October 2011 - 01:23
There have been a few truly circular tracks of varying lengths, the first board track for autos - Playa Del Rey - was a circle.I've certainly heard of Langhorne as a kid.... but for whatever reason never knew it was essentially a circle.
A true circle track. How bizarre! I guess straight-line speed wasn't even a set-up consideration!
Posted 10 October 2011 - 20:09
So that scotches assertions that it was a 'perfect circle'!
Drivers considered the paved track even more unsafe
Posted 10 October 2011 - 20:55
Great info Jim, very cool. I can only imagine what it had to be like to run a Champ Car there when it was paved, unreal!There have been a few truly circular tracks of varying lengths, the first board track for autos - Playa Del Rey - was a circle.
When Langhorne was paved, it was re-configured a bit and less circular than it appears in the photo posted here, but it was ridiculously fast for the time. Drivers considered the paved track even more unsafe, mainly due to the poor sight lines. Amazingly for 1969, drivers rebelled and told USAC they wouldn't enter the race if it was put on the schedule. They did run a final race in 1970, but as the date approached for the second 1970 race, it quietly disappeared from the schedule.
Posted 11 October 2011 - 02:44
On a lighter note, I wrote this of West Palm Beach several years ago, but will paraphrase the tale: we were running an SCCA National there in early '66. There was the usual obligatory drivers' meeting Saturday ayem; we all stood around half-asleep, hungover, or both. No one was paying a whole lot of attention as the Guy In Charge droned on with the usual blather about obeying the yellow flags, yada, yada, yada...
Suddenly this apparition waddles onto center stage: a scuba diver, complete with wet suit, tank, mask, fins, the whole 9 yards! G.I.C. told us to "Listen up!" and detailed how, if we went into the drink, this diver would swim down to us and shove a hose in our mouth to keep us from drowning! Cripes!! No one was nodding off after that!
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Posted 11 October 2011 - 03:39
I recall this story from the time, and your closing statement is spot on.Joel,
Well, there was a good reason for the scuba diver (as well as a good reason for the the increasingly higher levee built at the edge of the canal).
In early 1983 "Ollie" Chandon (Olivier Chandon de Brailles, the only son of Frederic Chandon de Brailles, chairman of the Moët-Hennessy group and heir to the Moët & Chandon champagne fortune), drowned at Moroso in testing for the '83 season. His Ralt F/Atlantic went into the canal, landing upside down, and he was trapped. As it was testing, as nothing had ever happened before (the usual excuse), there was no one who could rescue him in time. (Other than the small group in racing, Chandon is probably best known for hs then girlfriend, Christie Brinkley.)
To paraphrase statements about armies, race tracks are always prepared for the last accdent, not the next one.
David
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Posted 14 September 2014 - 18:02
Michael, very good Not to give you extra work, particularly involving "cabs", but what does Riggs write about Hugh Davis' fatal accident in July or August 1940 in some event connected to the 200-mile AAA stock car race?
I can guarantee there's some clean-up work, correction and addendum needed there.
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I'm not Michael, but to save his typing fingers after his recent mammoth entries, and as I have the book close to hand:-
"During one of the qualifying races a youngster named Hugh Davis died in a crash. The Richmond, Virginia driver lost control of his Ford and the car spun several times before hooking a rut that flipped it end over end. Davis was thrown out and sustained severe head injuries. Taken to the Harriman Hospital in Bristol, he lingered a few days before dying".
I concur with Michael about the excellence of the book, so his errata service is very much appreciated (thumbs up smiley).
Thank you E.B. Some researchers, including myself, have delved into this and we've found no record of Hugh Davis actually dying. The Richmond, Virginia newspaper mentioned him being badly injured, but there was not another mention to be found in the following weeks: no death or funeral notice, no obituary, nothing. There's no likely match in the 1940 Pennsylvania Death Index, which doesn't even have any deaths listed for persons named Davis/Davies from Bristol or Bristol Township. There simply has been no confirmation found, which is usually a sign that the event did not happen. Obviously, it's still possible that he did pass away. Perhaps he was racing under an alias, or wasn't from Richmond, or passed away in a different hospital (though again, there are no entries in the death index for Davis that have jumped out at us as likely). It could be that one or more of those are the errata. But, from the pattern with other cases, I'm leaning to Hugh Davis survivng the accident a la Jack Petticord, Otto Wolfer and, well, several others.
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I'll second that E.B., Michael's errata service is always appreciated
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Posted 06 June 2015 - 00:16
Hello all
"Langhorne 63"
I am still new and absorbing a ton of information every night. Again I want to thank you guys for that.
I wanted to add a couple of my experiences of watching the USAC dirt champ cars at Langhorne. I was very fortunate to have a dad racing at that level in the 60's and was able to see USAC run at every track on the schedule except Syracuse from 1960-1967. With the possible exception of the starts of the 1961-1964 Indy 500's, with the sights and sounds of the Offy's, Novi's and Lotus Fords all accelerating at the same time, nothing else compared to standing in the infield, on the inner pit fence in the middle of "Puke Hollow" at Langhorne in 1963. I was 12 and it was that day when I fully understood the danger in what my dad was doing. He was 2nd quick and started on the front row along side Hurtubise with Foyt, McCluskey, Marshman, Jones, McElreath and the rest following. I couldn't see the starting line from where I was due to the crowd around me. It seemed we were standing 10 deep as far as I could see. Didn't need to see it really. The sound was enough. When Hurtubise and my dad came into view it was the first time I actually remember being afraid of what my dad was doing. I got through qualifying and "hot laps" OK, but the race was different. One point early in the race my dad, while chasing Hurtubise, had "it" so hung out against the fence, and still hard on the throttle it caused the the corner flagman to start waving the yellow in anticipation. I was numb.
Something about seeing a race car going by you at 110 miles per hour, on dirt, sideways with the front of the car facing you that can be upsetting. Like I said, other than those starts at indy It was the most intense moment I had witnessed at a race.
Lee Hulse
P.S. I really thought my dad was going to win that day. I wondered through the pits the entire morning and listened to all the track gossip until i was told to get behind the wall due to my age. The consensus was Hurtubise was not going to last past halfway due to a new soft rubber compound right rear that Meskowski wanted to try, and that Marshman was going to need relief. i was thinking all my dad had to do was stay in front of Foyt (right) which he did until the mag quit working on lap 50. Marshman was already tapping his helmet and trying to hold his head straight and a couple of laps later Hurtubise fell off the pace with a blistered right rear. DAMN!
Posted 06 June 2015 - 16:57
My other Langhorne experience
Langhorne 1961, I was ten and my dad was driving for Tassi Vattis. Tassi was a Greek shipping tycoon and owned midgets and USAC champ cars. He was known for giving up and coming drivers a shot at the big time. I believe it was due to him not wanting to have the responsibility of maintaining a high dollar operation, but wanted to be an owner. In 1961 my dad had a couple of offers to drive but they were either Indy only or dirt champ only situations. My dad went with Tassi because he had both the roadster (1961 KK500J, which was almost outdated by the time it was built ) and an old dirt car which i think was an old Kurtis 4000. Regardless it was a "big old heavy sled" according to my dad.
After missing the show at the speedway and then making the field at Milwaukee, it was off to Langhorne, by way of White Plains New York. We stayed in Tassi's "brick mansion" for the weekend and saw NYC on sat and the race on Sunday
I had only heard of Langhorne and had no idea of what to expect. Also I was still a little to young to fully appreciate what it was. I remember being amazed at Sachs, Keller, and Foyt during Qualifying and how there didn't seem to be a straightaway. The cars were loud and fast. My dad qualified 10th (a good effort in that car) but they had a cracked oil tank. The mechanic told USAC he would have it ready for the race. Apparently USAC wasn't completely convinced and allowed the car to start in the back of the field. Typical of the whole season.
The start was jaw dropping, keller, Foyt, Sachs, Jones and Marshman took off. My dad lasted 2 laps before the car lost pressure completely. At least now I was able to watch the race without worrying. Until lap 34. Marshman was signalling for relief by tapping his helmet. His head was hanging to the right and i remember him trying to steer with one hand and hold his head up with the other for a couple of laps. I also noticed my dad grabbing his stuff and heading down to the meskowski pits. marshman came in and got out of the car As fast as he could. I remember him stumbling to the pit wall to sit. Totally exhausted. My dad got in and one of the crew members in his attempt to help my dad in, hit the kill switch. Instead of losing one lap they lost several. Foyt, Sachs and Jones were long gone by the time my dad pulled out. My dad was driving like he was shot out of a cannon. He passed Jones easily although still a lap down, then caught and passed Sachs on the outside in front of the grandstands driving with his right hand and signalling OK to the pit crew. The people who were with us Tassi's family and fan club were on there feet cheering for my dad which i though was very nice of them. He passed every car on the track except Foyt. The car lasted another 30 laps or so until it broke.
After the race we were in the pits and I remember Eddie Sachs telling my dad when someone passes me on the outside with one hand at this place i am never coming back. He never did. i was too young to fully appreciate it all that day, but there are somethings you never forget. A Langhorne Dirt race was one of them. I talked to my dad yesterday about that race and he told me that the Meskowski car was the best car he had ever driven on dirt.
Lee Hulse
Posted 01 November 2015 - 15:48
An interesting picture from the May 3, 1930 National Championship opener at Langhorne, showing Fred Frame and his green Miller 'LJ8' (originally Cliff Durant's 1926 Indy mount) in the foreground. Frame qualified second with a temporary track record, but finished a distant 8th after breaking the accelerator when running second early in the race. Behind can be seen the red "Socony Special" Miller '122' of Bill Albertson (originally Earl Cooper's 1925 Indy mount), which qualified 10th and finished fourth, while faintly visible in the background is the white "Century Tire Special" Miller '91' (originally Harry Hartz's 1926 Indy mount), which was owned by Karl Kizer and driven by AAA debutant Bill Cummings, who qualified 1st with a new track record and led all 100 laps of the feature event to win in record time.
you have qualification results in this event?
Posted 01 November 2015 - 18:58