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[gem]

After reading his comments

http://www.planetf1....2459167,00.html

and seeing him next to briatore with his daddy around for the last 2 or 3 races, he started pissing me off.
He has an opinion about mistakes and Hamilton and .....
The guy hasn't even raced F1 yet.
Nepotism in F1? No way.....

[Ross Stonefeld]

But is he wrong?

[Cotchin]

Yes, I'm sure any rookie would be leading the championship and holding a 10 point advantage over the reigning 2x WDC.

[WHITE]

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
But is he wrong?

I guess not.

[gem]

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
But is he wrong?

yes he is IMO. When Hamilton started his season I bet he didn't think, what if my car isn't the best, what if I overdrive my car I crash, what if i have a car problem?

So yes, this kind of thinking is useless for a person that starts or hasn't even started his career IMO.

[clampett]

He always was annoying. Hopefully he never enters the F1.

[Mauseri]

"If he continues working the same way, he is going to finish on the podium in every race. The McLaren is half a second quicker than the rest of the teams."

So true.

[giacomo]

He is managed by Briatore. Face the facts: He will enter F1.

Rather sooner than later.

[Mauseri]

Originally posted by clampett
He always was annoying. Hopefully he never enters the F1.

Yeah because he will take Fisi's position next year

[clampett]

Originally posted by micra_k10

Yeah because he will take Fisi's position next year

Or if Kimi Raikkonen continues embarassing himself, he will be shipped to Ferrari.

(No matter where he lands, I will be cheering against him. Never seen an arrogant pr.ck like him since his father. )

[gem]

Originally posted by micra_k10
"If he continues working the same way, he is going to finish on the podium in every race. The McLaren is half a second quicker than the rest of the teams."

So true.

The McLaren 0.5 faster than Ferrari?
Is he going to Red Bull next year?

[gem]

Originally posted by giacomo
He is managed by Briatore. Face the facts: He will enter F1.

Rather sooner than later.

I didn't know that. It just looked like it:). Briatore doesn't put 2 of his drivers in his team so Piquet jr, has to go somewhere. ...

[Gecko]

Technically he is right. He is also conveniently forgetting about the fact that Lewis is at least a match to the reigning double world champion teammate. Another thing he is not considering is that leading the championship by a considerable margin is a big achievement for any driver, not only a rookie. To get a good comparison, just look at where Massa was at this time last season when in a very similar situation at Ferrari, and Massa had incomparably more F1 experience.

[Chyp]

As far as I can see Hamilton has provoked a lot of jealousy among the other drivers. The guys doing a great job & it's pi**ing off the others.

[Visionz]

Annoying? I thought it was the haircut.. maybe it`s that "I know it all" attitude in a rookie that annoys me, when you`re a rookie.. or even 7 times wdc, humbleness it what makes a person. I dislike people who are proud in an arrogant manner.

[gem]

Originally posted by Gecko
Technically he is right. He is also conveniently forgetting about the fact that Lewis is at least a match to the reigning double world champion teammate. Another thing he is not considering is that leading the championship by a considerable margin is a big achievement for any driver, not only a rookie. To get a good comparison, just look at where Massa was at this time last season when in a very similar situation at Ferrari, and Massa had incomparably more F1 experience.

Technically whatever, boy get a race under your pands first and then criticize current drivers.

[Mauseri]

Originally posted by gem
The McLaren 0.5 faster than Ferrari?

That would explain how rookie can be constantly so fast. Alonso, I dont know why he isnt driving faster.

[noikeee]

What is really annoying is how the TV directors focus on him, at every single F1 and even GP2 race. Does he have a contract with FOM or something?

[OssieFan]

Consistency is achieved through the car. He has never broken down in a race, he has never had problems, and his car is always one of the quickest. Then he doesn't need to do much," he continued.

Although this is a valid point from Nelson what about consistent driving?

[Gecko]

Originally posted by gem


Technically whatever, boy get a race under your pands first and then criticize current drivers.

Now where did I criticize any driver? I merely pointed out that Piquet Jr. is just stirring things up for no reason, that has nothing to do with anyone's quality of driving. Unless you think I was criticizing Massa, which I was not; I think Massa did a good job last season, but this season shows that Lewis is on another level altogether. And I'm not even British ;)

[santori]

I think people are being influenced by the headline. PlanetF1 is the tabloid of English-language F1 sites.

You could also give his comments the headline 'Piquet defends Kovalainen'.

[Spunout]

Notice Piquet isn´t saying "anybody could do the same as Lewis at McLaren", but rather pointing out rookies always have tough time when the car isn´t great. Why? Because that´s where lack of experience costs you.

However, at McLaren Lewis has fast, great handling car without mech gremlins. The kid sure knows how to drive and race. But at Renault he would spend most of his time trying to solve problems McLaren doesn´t have.

I am not convinced Heikki could equal Hamilton´s performance at McLaren. But I AM convinced at Renault Hammy wouldn´t look like world beater. No rookie would.

[Kenaltgr]

Originally posted by Gecko


Now where did I criticize any driver? I merely pointed out that Piquet Jr. is just stirring things up for no reason, that has nothing to do with anyone's quality of driving. Unless you think I was criticizing Massa, which I was not; I think Massa did a good job last season, but this season shows that Lewis is on another level altogether. And I'm not even British ;)

Massa was a #2 slave driver last year, this year he's actually allowed to win races and compete with Kimi equally. Hamilton is in a completely different situation, he's treated as a #1 the same as Alonso. Hamilton would look worse than Massa last year if Alonso had demanded a Schumacher like #1 status in McLaren.

[Zmeej]

santori

I think people are being influenced by the headline. PlanetF1 is the tabloid of English-language F1 sites.

Absolutely right.


Spunout

I am not convinced Heikki could equal Hamilton´s performance at McLaren. But I AM convinced at Renault Hammy wouldn't look like world beater. No rookie would.

Agreed.

paranoik0

What is really annoying is how the TV directors focus on him, at every single F1 and even GP2 race. Does he have a contract with FOM or something?

I'm being robbed!
Haven't seen a shot of Nelsinho yet!

BTW, I think your nick suits you perfectly.;)


clampett

Or if Kimi Raikkonen continues embarassing himself, he will be shipped to Ferrari.

(No matter where he lands, I will be cheering against him. Never seen an arrogant pr.ck like him since his father.

Poor man, you're in for such a vicious series of disappointments in the coming months.

Kimi returning to form (kinda like today's win at Magny Cours, which ensures he'll be in the history books ), the next Piquet on the grid...

Meself, I look forward to seeing another smartassed and funny Brazilian lock wheels with another Britisher, and then following up with some pointed barbs the latter's way, sending the fanbase frothing and foaming right out of their minds.

The Eighties are coming back!

[cartman]

Piquet couldn't beat Hamilton in GP2. Now he's talking thrash.

He would be NOWHERE near Alonso if he drove McLaren this year.

[Victor]

Envy - The state of desiring, but not having, one or more of another person's: possessions, abilities, achievements, reputation, lifestyle, looks, personality, relationships, group-affiliations, etc. especially if mixed with dislike of that person.

(From Wiktionary)

[jokuvaan]

Whats wrong with the old thread...

[tania_walesuk]

Nelson Snr was just as jealous of Senna in the same way.

[Fatgadget]

Sorry but I find someone that names his son the same name as his weird.

[512 TR]

At least he's not as annoying as his father was.

[schead]

I would have to say that I detest Nelson Piquet. I always have done, and always will do. He was, and is the most arrogant tosser around.

However, Nelsinho isn't arrogant. He isn't a tosser, and he isn't anything like his dad.

The great crime here from Piquet, is that he dared to say that Hamilton wouldn't look any better than his teammate Heikki currently is if Lewis were driving the Renault. What is so wrong about this? For one thing, Piquet is supporting his fellow Renault teammate. For another, Lewis clearly WOULDN'T be as impressive in a Renault as a McLaren. As he said, when you need to push that extra bit, errors will come about. When you are in either the fastest, or the joint fastest car, errors are less likely given that you need to push less.

Or does everyone think that Lewis would be leading the WDC after 8 races in a 2007 Renault?

Obviously, Lewis is doing tremendously well, though it has to be said that he has not experienced even ONE piece of bad luck thus far. Bad luck affects all drivers, and it is certainly being heaped on Alonso thus far, (as it has been on other drivers such as Kimi and Button in the past). Luck though, is a thing that ultimately evens itself out. Lewis WILL have unlucky races, (like Heikki had in Magny Cours).

Anyway, back to Picquet. He got really embarressed when his dad suggested he would replace Fisi mid season, (before the season even started). He has complimented Lewis many times, and really is basically a shy guy compared to his dad.

He also, lest it be remembered, pushed Lewis right to the end in GP2, and outshone him on several occasions.

Like I said, I can't believe that I am defending a Piquet, but in Nelsinho, I am.

[Juan Kerr]

Originally posted by schead
I would have to say that I detest Nelson Piquet. I always have done, and always will do. He was, and is the most arrogant tosser around.

However, Nelsinho isn't arrogant. He isn't a tosser, and he isn't anything like his dad.

The great crime here from Piquet, is that he dared to say that Hamilton wouldn't look any better than his teammate Heikki currently is if Lewis were driving the Renault. What is so wrong about this? For one thing, Piquet is supporting his fellow Renault teammate. For another, Lewis clearly WOULDN'T be as impressive in a Renault as a McLaren. As he said, when you need to push that extra bit, errors will come about. When you are in either the fastest, or the joint fastest car, errors are less likely given that you need to push less.

Or does everyone think that Lewis would be leading the WDC after 8 races in a 2007 Renault?

Obviously, Lewis is doing tremendously well, though it has to be said that he has not experienced even ONE piece of bad luck thus far. Bad luck affects all drivers, and it is certainly being heaped on Alonso thus far, (as it has been on other drivers such as Kimi and Button in the past). Luck though, is a thing that ultimately evens itself out. Lewis WILL have unlucky races, (like Heikki had in Magny Cours).

Anyway, back to Picquet. He got really embarressed when his dad suggested he would replace Fisi mid season, (before the season even started). He has complimented Lewis many times, and really is basically a shy guy compared to his dad.

He also, lest it be remembered, pushed Lewis right to the end in GP2, and outshone him on several occasions.

Like I said, I can't believe that I am defending a Piquet, but in Nelsinho, I am.

I think having Alonso as your teammate and a reputation to build from fresh you will push as hard as ever in your career whether in a McLaren or a Renault. People should be giving Lewis 100% credit not picking holes and being negative, its pure envy.

[schead]

Originally posted by Juan Kerr
I think having Alonso as your teammate and a reputation to build from fresh you will push as hard as ever in your career whether in a McLaren or a Renault. People should be giving Lewis 100% credit not picking holes and being negative, its pure envy.

Well, after 8 races, (given the 2 races per weekend format of GP2), Piquet had 39 points compared to Lewis who had 37 points.

Lewis was also driving for the dominant Art GP team.

Therefore, if Piquet were in place of Lewis, he would be leading the championship. Of course, he didn't say that. All he said was that Heikki would look far more impressive if he was driving a McLaren, which is right or wrong?

[cartman]

Originally posted by schead


Or does everyone think that Lewis would be leading the WDC after 8 races in a 2007 Renault?

Of course not. I don't rate Lewis so high because he is leading the WDC in McLaren, but because he is beating a proven double WDC in the same car.

[cartman]

Originally posted by schead


All he said was that Heikki would look far more impressive if he was driving a McLaren, which is right or wrong?

Wrong. He can't even beat Fisi.

[schead]

Originally posted by cartman


Of course not. I don't rate Lewis so high because he is leading the WDC in McLaren, but because he is beating a proven double WDC in the same car.

Which clearly Piquet could do, given the fact that he was beating Lewis at the same point of the championship in the tables. Therefore, Piquet would be leading by even more. Basically, after 8 races, Lewis is beating Alonso. After 8 races Piquet was beating Lewis. This means that after 8 races, if Piquet had Hamilton's place, he would be even further ahead in the championship.

[noikeee]

Originally posted by schead


Which clearly Piquet could do, given the fact that he was beating Lewis at the same point of the championship in the tables. Therefore, Piquet would be leading by even more. Basically, after 8 races, Lewis is beating Alonso. After 8 races Piquet was beating Lewis. This means that after 8 races, if Piquet had Hamilton's place, he would be even further ahead in the championship.

Chesterfield beat West Ham. West Ham beat Man Utd. Chesterfield, had Man Utd's place, would have won the Premiership.

[schead]

Originally posted by paranoik0


Chesterfield beat West Ham. West Ham beat Man Utd. Chesterfield, had Man Utd's place, would have won the Premiership.

Sorry, I don't understand football, (which I presume you are talking about). What is your point?

Are you talking about individual matches, or places after 8 matches, (if that is what they are called)?

[CWeil]

Originally posted by cartman
Piquet couldn't beat Hamilton in GP2. Now he's talking thrash

This is an unfair statement. The 1st 2 years in GP2 were dominated by the good drivers in ART cars. If Kovalainen had been in an equal car to Rosberg in 2005, he would've dominated- which he did before Arden's car became junk relative to Rosberg's, allowing Rosberg to score consistent points while Kova strugged fighting his car and overdriving to keep up. Piquet's car that year sucked.

In 2006, same story with Hamilton at ART. Best car by a country mile in the beginning of the season. Once iSport got Glock and Piquet Sports caught up he had too large of a lead. If Piquet Sports had been where they were at the end of the beginning at the beginning, I think he would've taken the title. Potentially the same with Glock at iSport.

That said, I think Piquet's comments are pretty true. Hamilton has done great, but the less you have to fight handling and mechanical issues and speed deficiencies, the easier the races will be. There hasn't been a time this year where he has HAD to seriously fight to get into the points, which is where mistakes tend to happen most consistently. In that regard, Kovalainen has had a much more difficult. But of course Hamilton has done a good job. I think Piquet's point is more that so are many of the other young/rookie drivers in lesser cars, like Kova, Rosberg, STR drivers, Sutil, etc (of course he was referring to Kova specifically), they just tend to look more ragged because the cars are, and they have to push much much harder.

[CWeil]

Originally posted by schead
Which clearly Piquet could do, given the fact that he was beating Lewis at the same point of the championship in the tables. Therefore, Piquet would be leading by even more. Basically, after 8 races, Lewis is beating Alonso. After 8 races Piquet was beating Lewis. This means that after 8 races, if Piquet had Hamilton's place, he would be even further ahead in the championship.

Not a valid comparison, at all, at all. I'm not defending Hamilton at all, just more that this is not sound logic at all.

I do think Piquet would do well, though.

[noikeee]

Originally posted by schead


Sorry, I don't understand football, (which I presume you are talking about). What is your point?

Are you talking about individual matches, or places after 8 matches, (if that is what they are called)?

Individual matches, but the point still stands. Different situations at different times lead to different outcomes.

[schead]

Originally posted by CWeil


Not a valid comparison, at all, at all. I'm not defending Hamilton at all, just more that this is not sound logic at all.

I do think Piquet would do well, though.

That wasn't mean't to be a valid comparison. It was intended as sarcasm. Nonetheless, Piquet could be doing at least as well as Lewis. Therefore, why the bad karma when he states that his teammate could do as well as Lewis?

[schead]

Originally posted by paranoik0


Individual matches, but the point still stands. Different situations at different times lead to different outcomes.

So where were they after 8 matches?

[noikeee]

Originally posted by schead


So where were they after 8 matches?

Nevermind.

[schead]

Originally posted by paranoik0




Nevermind.

So, I presume you are talking about domination teams who pissed all over the smaller teams over the season. Therefore, what is your point in relation to the F1 question?

[noikeee]

Originally posted by schead


So, I presume you are talking about domination teams who pissed all over the smaller teams over the season.

No. Forget it.

Therefore, what is your point in relation to the F1 question? [/B]

That just because Piquet "beat" Hamilton in different teams in an half-a-championship of GP2, it doesn't necessarily mean, at all, Piquet would "beat" Hamilton 1 year later in a specific environment for which Lewis has been particularly prepared to for years, in another different half-a-championship of F1.

[schead]

Originally posted by paranoik0


No. Forget it.



That just because Piquet "beat" Hamilton in different teams in an half-a-championship of GP2, it doesn't necessarily mean, at all, Piquet would "beat" Hamilton 1 year later in a specific environment for which Lewis has been particularly prepared to for years, in another different half-a-championship of F1.

It also doesn't mean that Hamilton would "beat" Piquet 1 year later. Soooo, what is your point?

Piquet proved that he was ahead at this point. Why does this mean that Lewis would definitely be better?

[noikeee]

Originally posted by schead


It also doesn't mean that Hamilton would "beat" Piquet 1 year later. Soooo, what is your point?

Piquet proved that he was ahead at this point. Why does this mean that Lewis would definitely be better?

And where did I say that?

[Zmeej]

paranoik0

just because Piquet "beat" Hamilton in different teams in an half-a-championship of GP2, it doesn't necessarily mean, at all, Piquet would "beat" Hamilton 1 year later in a specific environment for which Lewis has been particularly prepared to for years, in another different half-a-championship of F1.

Perhaps not. But it certainly remains as a tantalizing possibility, doesn't it?

[Chui]

Pure conjecture and speculation.

Simply give the man credit for HIS skills. Screw the media coverage, screw the overalls, screw Ron. Look at LH's skills and what he's doing ON THE TRACK, especially compared to his teammate.

All else is utterly senseless.