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[Frans]

Kimi has a problem with Schu - report

Wednesday, 11 July 2007
Jul.11 (GMM) According to a popular European newspaper, formula one's most frequent winner in 2007, Kimi Raikkonen, "has a problem". Germany's Bild-Zeitung points out that, despite winning three times this year compared with his three title rivals' two triumphs apiece, 27-year-old Raikkonen only ever wins "if Schumi is not there". Kimi's predecessor at Ferrari, seven time world champion Michael Schumacher, retired at the end of 2006 but has attended some grands prix this year as the Maranello team's 'advisor'. Schumacher was, for example, at Magny Cours on the Saturday but had left by the time Raikkonen found full form on Sunday and won for the first time since Melbourne -- when Schumacher was also absent. After Kimi won in Australia, team boss Jean Todt handed him a mobile phone in parc ferme with Schumacher on the other end, but the Finn claimed the line dropped out. Nearly four months later, Schumacher then skipped the British grand prix altogether, preceding another Raikkonen win -- but the 38-year-old German is scheduled to resume his tour at the Nurburgring in two weeks. Bild wonders: "Is Schumi's shadow too large? Does Kimi feel restrained in his presence?"

whoaaaaaa....

After reading that report, I was already thinking ..... what's going on in F1 nowadays? Espionage, ... sabotage .... all those things and more of that James Bond kinda stuff.

Makes you wonder about the piece written above, no?

Consider the coincidences so far, ... That could mean (in support of this theory) that Kimi won't win at Nurenberg, because Schumacher is there. ... .

I wouldn't be suprised if Schumacher would do little things when he is present there, what indeed restrain Kimi in his performance .... I cannot know if it's only psygological, or ... maybe even really physical!! (in other words, damn straight sabotage!!!) Keep in mind, that Ferrari already thinks someone sabotaged they're cars this seaons!!!!!!!!

incredible development!!!! Keep an eye open! unbelievable! Especially when you know Schumacher ran from Kimi at Ferrari . .... . read this article: Michael Schumacher - The strange story of his retirement .. .. it show's that Schumacher and Kimi aren't really like what you'd call, best buddies..... (what's new? yeah, ah well.... Michael sabotaging Kimi's car maybe ?? Oh ok ..)

[noikeee]

Lay off your drugs. Both you and whoever wrote that article.

[Frans]

Source of the article is f1i.com btw

[schuey100]

Originally posted by paranoik0


Lay off your drugs. Both you and whoever wrote that article.

I think he's joking. It's a fun parody though

[noikeee]

By the way, in the ridiculously unrealistic possibility any of this is true, WWF has suddenly become a more refined and intelligent show than F1.

[Frans]

actually I was about to believe it myself!! But seriously ... I will wait untill after Nurenberg to see if this theory still holds .... It's not so far fetched at all .....

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by schuey100


I think he's joking. It's a fun parody though

You should've seen his posts before Schumacher retired.

[brunopascal]

The only negative influence MS presence could possibly have on Kimi's chances to win would be to unsettle, disturb, or make Kimi uneasy. However, that would require Kimi to be weak.

I don't believe Kimi is weak, therefore MS being there or not doesn't matter. It's just a coincidence.

[mach4]

Originally posted by Frans
I will wait untill after Nurenberg

[Leyser]

Originally posted by schuey100


I think he's joking. It's a fun parody though

Check his posting history.

Sample topics:
Michael Schumacher, Please Go Away ......
Schumacher cheats the German and Swizz taxpayers.....
Schumacher can't be happy to be driving a very uncool second-hand car this season.
Michael Sue-Macher loses the Cyberfight!
... and so forth.

If you're unconvinced there' salways the previous user "Frans MSH".;)

[Mauseri]

Schumacher surely throws some white powder in Kimi's fuel tank again. The same he used to keep Barrichello behind him.

[Spunout]

Originally posted by Frans
Source of the article is f1i.com btw

The source is Bild. The same newspaper that reported Mario Ilien´s "tank" comments, which were denied by all parties involved.

[brunopascal]

Originally posted by Spunout


The source is Bild. The same newspaper that reported Mario Ilien´s "tank" comments, which were denied by all parties involved.

I think Frans was referring to the article "Michael Schumacher - The strange story of his retirement".

The first story Frans was talking about, though, (in the quoted section) is indeed from Bild, which he also wrote.

[Dragonfly]

BTW I think Schumacher actually was in France (not Frans) and it was commented that he is missing from the team's family photo after Kimi won, starting 3-rd.

[Ciao]

I wouldn't be suprised if Schumacher would do little things when he is present there, what indeed restrain Kimi in his performance .... I cannot know if it's only psygological, or ... maybe even really physical!! (in other words, damn straight sabotage!!!) Keep in mind, that Ferrari already thinks someone sabotaged they're cars this seaons!!!!!!!!

Well, finally we know what happened to the white powder initially found in the Ferrari cars........Frans shot it up his arm!!!!!

[BuonoBruttoCattivo]

Many people actually met Frans.
They say he's actually very funny and cool and just takes the piss here.

I tend to agree, he's a legend on AtlasF1.

[former champ]

Well Kimi for sure has been sabotaged but, I ask the question, is it Schumacher? Or other evil forces at work within the team? You decide.

http://www.autosport...JLQBNK068A1HD-3

;)

[Bloggsworth]

On the three occasions MS was at the races Kimi lost his focus and forgot to put on his left boot first and scratch his scrotum three times with his left hand - He's having a printed note stuck to his steering wheel in future to remind him to carry out the correct pre-race checks.

[Niro]

Frans is the man. He has a laid-back brain and a big shovel. Would love to share the joint!

[Buttoneer]

Originally posted by Bloggsworth
On the three occasions MS was at the races Kimi lost his focus and forgot to put on his left boot first and scratch his scrotum three times with his left hand -

And have a shit.

[lukywill]

i love this season!

[Lifew12]

Next we hear there is CCTV footage of Michael acting suspiciously while carrying a canister than might just have been containing some white powder that somebody who knew someone in the paddock said was used to sabotage Raikkonen's car.

[AFCA]

Originally posted by Dragonfly
BTW I think Schumacher actually was in France (not Frans) and it was commented that he is missing from the team's family photo after Kimi won, starting 3-rd.

Yes because he already left the circuit on Saturday to attend something of a horse race of his wife on Sunday in Switerland.

[SeanValen]

Originally posted by BuonoBruttoCattivo
Many people actually met Frans.
They say he's actually very funny and cool and just takes the piss here.

I tend to agree, he's a legend on AtlasF1.

Yeah long live Frans, he brought me a beer once.

Frans is like grade 1 for Schumacher fans, pass the Frans test, you go higher to more skilled and worthy Schumacher bashing adversaries, where the line between basher and f1 fan is not so clearly visable.
Frans is one of a kind, a endangered species of breed of f1 fan, I call for more funding to protect his posts.

[Frans]

I somewhat get this itsy-bitsy kind of feeling some of you don't take my accusation to the adress of Michael so very really serious ?? But I AM!

You can bet on it I will look out to see where Michael will be during the weekend, close to Kimi's car, or not.... that's the question.

Wasn't that Ferrari-spy-guy a very good friend of Michael? Did he got some undisclosed payment lately from a German-Swizz bank account of one.. .... M.Schumacher? ..... I dunno, .. but I suspect it. at least it wouldn't suprise me one little bit.

[tidytracks]

I actualy think (and I don't usually agree with Bild) that the article has a point.

Having Schumacher around can only be a disruptive influence on the team dynamic.

As I have said repeatedly, it's like going out with a girl and her ex boyfriend turning up to all your early dates, just to check you're treating her right.

If I was Kimi, I'd either tell the team to tell Michael, or tell him myself to go and bugger off and stay at home with his wife and kids, making model aeroplanes or whetever he does now he's retired.

Is it a coincidence that Kimi wins when Michael's not there? No I don't think so. I think he seems a lot more relaxed and it looks more like he can get on with his job.

[kyriakos75]

Originally posted by Frans


whoaaaaaa....

After reading that report, I was already thinking ..... what's going on in F1 nowadays? Espionage, ... sabotage .... all those things and more of that James Bond kinda stuff.

Makes you wonder about the piece written above, no?

Consider the coincidences so far, ... That could mean (in support of this theory) that Kimi won't win at Nurenberg, because Schumacher is there. ... .

I wouldn't be suprised if Schumacher would do little things when he is present there, what indeed restrain Kimi in his performance .... I cannot know if it's only psygological, or ... maybe even really physical!! (in other words, damn straight sabotage!!!) Keep in mind, that Ferrari already thinks someone sabotaged they're cars this seaons!!!!!!!!

incredible development!!!! Keep an eye open! unbelievable! Especially when you know Schumacher ran from Kimi at Ferrari . .... . read this article: Michael Schumacher - The strange story of his retirement .. .. it show's that Schumacher and Kimi aren't really like what you'd call, best buddies..... (what's new? yeah, ah well.... Michael sabotaging Kimi's car maybe ?? Oh ok ..)

Every time Superman appears, Clark Kent is absent.
Every time Batman intervenes, Bruce Wayne is absent.
Every time Kimi Raikkonen wins, Michael Schumacher is absent.

Hmm. Coincidence? Who knows.

[carbonfibre]

Originally posted by Frans
I somewhat get this itsy-bitsy kind of feeling some of you don't take my accusation to the adress of Michael so very really serious ?? But I AM!

You can bet on it I will look out to see where Michael will be during the weekend, close to Kimi's car, or not.... that's the question.

Wasn't that Ferrari-spy-guy a very good friend of Michael? Did he got some undisclosed payment lately from a German-Swizz bank account of one.. .... M.Schumacher? ..... I dunno, .. but I suspect it. at least it wouldn't suprise me one little bit.

I think you are on to something Frans, maybe you should hire a private investigator?;)

[tidytracks]

Originally posted by Frans
I somewhat get this itsy-bitsy kind of feeling some of you don't take my accusation to the adress of Michael so very really serious ?? But I AM!

You can bet on it I will look out to see where Michael will be during the weekend, close to Kimi's car, or not.... that's the question.

Wasn't that Ferrari-spy-guy a very good friend of Michael? Did he got some undisclosed payment lately from a German-Swizz bank account of one.. .... M.Schumacher? ..... I dunno, .. but I suspect it. at least it wouldn't suprise me one little bit.

Frans, seriously, that's quite an outrageous claim.

1. That Schumacher would sabotage Raikkonen's car.

2. That Schumacher is responsible for the current Stepneygate industrial espionage case.

I can't tell if you're joking or not, thats the thing.

This may be an open forum, but you've got to have a little bit of accountability when you make claims like that. First off you'd better have a good reason for saying that kind of thing, as in some pretty concrete evidence, otherwise it borders on libel.

[jonpollak]

Originally posted by lukywill
i love this season!

Me too..
Well said lukywill

I love reading good 'ole Frans too

That Dutch F1i site has a lot of Tom Rubython content from Biddness F1.
Some of the Bild content they use is rather funny in a tabloid kinda way
Like THIS ONE where you can send in pictures to be Lewis's Grid Girl for the Nürburgring.

As is THIS ONE from The Daily Star (UK)

"London's Daily Star says 43-year-old American rocker Courtney Love, the ex-wife of Nirvana front man Kurt Cobain, "thinks Lewis is just gorgeous. She has been emailing people who know him in the hope they will arrange for her to be introduced to him."

So naturally I expect to see the following headline shortly.
Todt enlists 'star killer' to win World Championship

Jp

[pUs]

Originally posted by Frans
I somewhat get this itsy-bitsy kind of feeling some of you don't take my accusation to the adress of Michael so very really serious ?? But I AM!

You can bet on it I will look out to see where Michael will be during the weekend, close to Kimi's car, or not.... that's the question.

Wasn't that Ferrari-spy-guy a very good friend of Michael? Did he got some undisclosed payment lately from a German-Swizz bank account of one.. .... M.Schumacher? ..... I dunno, .. but I suspect it. at least it wouldn't suprise me one little bit.

TREU!

[ExxonValdez]

It comes from "Bild Zeitung"...

[Frans]

First off you'd better have a good reason for saying that kind of thing, as in some pretty concrete evidence, otherwise it borders on libel.

libel? Don't know that word.
And by the way, the coincidental events of Michael's absense and all of his absenses there have been Kimi victories are not enough to just spark a little-itsy-bitsy bit of curiousity? And also a bit of strangeness? Surely after reading the article about Schumacher's retirement you can clearly read that Schumacher didn't want to leave, but he had been given the choice to partner with Kimi, what he didn't want. Michael wanted to make his decision at the end of the season, but Montezemelo wanted it different. He didn't like Schumacher and his grown power at Ferrari. He wanted Kimi, and if Schumacher didn't like it, he had to go, and so it went. The article reads superbly as a maffia-thriller and is highly recommended to read about the relationship of the inner team workings from Ferrari and the differences between Kimi and Michael. here's the article again, it's a long read btw, but hey ..... it's really cool!

So, if you add up the way Schumacher had to leave Ferrari, (forcefully that is, against his will) and who replaced him, (Kimi the Iceman) and then the whole espionage saga from Stepney who was a good employee during the Schumacher era, but this changed when Schumacher left. (also a coincidence? uuuuuuuuuuuuuh, sure)

so, for someone like me, this circumstantial "evidence" could fit my theory, and it's simply a matter of time to see if this theory holds. therefor there is no need for solid evidence. Because all will be logical.

If Michael is there on Sunday at the upcomming GP in the Ferrari pitbox, then, in my theory, Kimi cannot and will not win. (the car is up to it, last year the car won there, no?) So, ... let the 21st-century Nurenberg-trail BEGIN!!!!!!!!!!!

[BuonoBruttoCattivo]

Originally posted by Frans
If Michael is there on Sunday at the upcomming GP in the Ferrari pitbox....

I fink he be there, 'cuz there is some carz he has to drive, mebbe an FXX or an actual F1 car, not sure though...

[Group B]

Originally posted by tidytracks

Frans, seriously, that's quite an outrageous claim.

Well that makes a change

[qvn]

Knowing Frans' posts for quite few years I just laugh out loud at his claim here as there is nothing new in his behavior.

I don't know any reason why he hate MS so much. It is weird because Jos is a good friend of MS.

Maybe the fact Jos was destroyed by MS when they race together at Benetton is the reason.

[Risil]

I for one would find Tom Rubython's stories a lot more believable if he didn't feel the need to write everything up as a colourful narrative, as if to draw attention away from the core of the story.

In the words of Joe Friday, just the facts, Tom. But perhaps I am missing the point. After all, he and Frans certainly know how to rattle a good yarn, and make a clandestine, almost shambolic sport seem so much more exciting and byzantine than it is in dreary reality.

[Lantern]

Originally posted by former champ
Well Kimi for sure has been sabotaged but, I ask the question, is it Schumacher? Or other evil forces at work within the team? You decide.

http://www.autosport...JLQBNK068A1HD-3

;)

Dude........I actually laughed out loud!!

[Juan Kerr]

Originally posted by Frans


whoaaaaaa....

After reading that report, I was already thinking ..... what's going on in F1 nowadays? Espionage, ... sabotage .... all those things and more of that James Bond kinda stuff.

Makes you wonder about the piece written above, no?

Consider the coincidences so far, ... That could mean (in support of this theory) that Kimi won't win at Nurenberg, because Schumacher is there. ... .

I wouldn't be suprised if Schumacher would do little things when he is present there, what indeed restrain Kimi in his performance .... I cannot know if it's only psygological, or ... maybe even really physical!! (in other words, damn straight sabotage!!!) Keep in mind, that Ferrari already thinks someone sabotaged they're cars this seaons!!!!!!!!

incredible development!!!! Keep an eye open! unbelievable! Especially when you know Schumacher ran from Kimi at Ferrari . .... . read this article: Michael Schumacher - The strange story of his retirement .. .. it show's that Schumacher and Kimi aren't really like what you'd call, best buddies..... (what's new? yeah, ah well.... Michael sabotaging Kimi's car maybe ?? Oh ok ..)

Its not true but hey perhaps Michael is driving Kimi's car !?

[HP]

Originally posted by kyriakos75


Every time Superman appears, Clark Kent is absent.
Every time Batman intervenes, Bruce Wayne is absent.
Every time Kimi Raikkonen wins, Michael Schumacher is absent.

Hmm. Coincidence? Who knows.

Great

[MikeTekRacing]

Originally posted by Juan Kerr
Its not true but hey perhaps Michael is driving Kimi's car !?

that would surely explain kimi's increase of form

[Group B]

Originally posted by kyriakos75


Every time Superman appears, Clark Kent is absent.
Every time Batman intervenes, Bruce Wayne is absent.
Every time Kimi Raikkonen wins, Michael Schumacher is absent.

Hmm. Coincidence? Who knows.

[Leyser]

Originally posted by kyriakos75


Every time Superman appears, Clark Kent is absent.
Every time Batman intervenes, Bruce Wayne is absent.
Every time Kimi Raikkonen wins, Michael Schumacher is absent.

Hmm. Coincidence? Who knows.

[Dragonfly]

It must have taken a lot of time to make a suitable skin for Schu and most of all to unlearn him from smiling, jumping and conducting the Italian anthem.

[SilverArrowF1]

Unless of course Michael wants to come back to racing with Felipe as a teamate instead of Kimi.





...and yes I am kidding.

[fillern]

Originally posted by kyriakos75


Every time Superman appears, Clark Kent is absent.
Every time Batman intervenes, Bruce Wayne is absent.
Every time Kimi Raikkonen wins, Michael Schumacher is absent.

Hmm. Coincidence? Who knows.

Classic...

...who's away from the computer when Frans types?

[Risil]

Originally posted by fillern


Classic...

...who's away from the computer when Frans types?

Tom Rubython?

[slapstick]

Originally posted by kyriakos75

Every time Kimi Raikkonen wins, Michael Schumacher is absent.

Hmm. Coincidence? Who knows.

M$ in France:

http://www.xpb.cc/vi...e.asp?id=194257

[Group B]

Ah yes, but can you you prove that was taken during the race?

[Mauseri]

Originally posted by Group B
Ah yes, but can you you prove that was taken during the race?

I guess that was in Q, thus only low 3rd position ;)