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#8351 Peter Darley

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Posted 14 June 2016 - 06:06

Peter Darley who did the "Jim Clark Life At Team Lotus" and "1965 Jim Clark & Team Lotus" has a new project underway called "Pit And Paddock: behind the scenes at UK and European cicuits in the '60s and 70's". It can be seen here:-

https://www.kickstar...?ref=nav_search

I have no interest in this project other than wanting to buy a copy, so hopefully the target can be reached and the book will be published. Based on the standard and quality of the two Jim Clark books this should be a winner!! This book is also being published by Coterie Press. Amazon show a release date of October 1st but obviously this is incorrect.

(usual disclaimers apply)

Jeff.

I am pleased to report that the files are ready to be sent to the printers, and will keep you updated as to when the "On Press" date is.

Thank you all for your patience, and hope that you will find the wait was worth it.



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#8352 Alan Cox

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Posted 21 June 2016 - 11:32

Probably the "bookshop edition":https://issuu.com/wa...d/docs/bookshop


The quality of the photographs illustrated in this link is just sublime. A must-have title for many, I'm sure. I notice the Amazon.fr link has the GP Library listed as the publishers

#8353 Alan Cox

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Posted 27 June 2016 - 13:04

I have just received a message from Colin Crabbe to say that he will be signing copies of his long-awaited autobiography, "The Thrill of the Chase", on Chaters' stand at Silverstone Classic on Saturday 29th July
https://www.facebook...87924658169084/

#8354 Jack-the-Lad

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Posted 30 June 2016 - 19:15

I have just ordered both of the above books and awakened the Phil Hill book thread after many years of slumber in the regular TNF forum for those who may be interested.

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#8355 PRD

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Posted 14 July 2016 - 16:16

I see that Amazon are currently offering Autocourse 2015-16 for around the £13-£14 mark



#8356 john aston

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Posted 15 July 2016 - 06:51

Recent stuff I have enjoyed- despite the  snipey little reviews in the motoring press Sam Posey's Where the Racer Meets the Road book is terrific. Beautifully written by  a man who is far more than the typical retired racing driver. I guess the reviewers were p***ed off that an amateur writes better than many of the pros..

 

Redman Book - terrible title , awful cover. But a great book - beautifully (partly ghost ) written and interesting structure

 

Request a few pages back re best Lotus book- well it isn't Jabby Crombac's . NIce -ish read but a hagiography.. THE ACBC book is undoubtedly Karl Ludvigsen's which is magnificent     . . 



#8357 Jack-the-Lad

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Posted 15 July 2016 - 13:45

John,

I reviewed Sam's book here: www.speedreaders.info

Jack

#8358 john aston

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Posted 16 July 2016 - 06:37

Oddly enough I reviewed Sam's book for my Lotus Seven Club magazine; will check yours out to see if we agree,



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Posted 16 July 2016 - 14:26

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#8360 john aston

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Posted 17 July 2016 - 06:18

Your views echo mine -  a very good book and I enjoyed reading your thoughts on it . Happy to send you my review (of this any others- I have done quite a few) if you juts pm me with your email .



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Posted 17 July 2016 - 14:28

I see that Amazon are currently offering Autocourse 2015-16 for around the £13-£14 mark

 

I don't think I've seen a single copy in shops.  Not one.  Back in the late eighties they used to have them piled up in Hudsons to capture the Christmas rush. 

 



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Posted 18 July 2016 - 12:09

I don't think I've seen a single copy in shops.  Not one.  Back in the late eighties they used to have them piled up in Hudsons to capture the Christmas rush. 

 

 

I've never seen more than an occasional copy in WH Smiths and Waterstones, only piled high in Chaters and Motor Books or at the various shows.



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Posted 18 July 2016 - 13:01

I don't think I've seen a single copy in shops.  Not one.  Back in the late eighties they used to have them piled up in Hudsons to capture the Christmas rush. 

 

I think that may have had more than a little to do with a certain Brummie being in F1 at the time ... :lol:

 

Mind you, even in the late 70s/early 80s my initial order for Autocourse in Croydon was 20 to 25. In those days people used to start asking for it about three days after the F1 season ended and I usually had up to a dozen pre-orders for it by the time it arrived in the first week of December. I sometimes had to order extras before Christmas too. But we did have a good reputation for motoring and motor sport books in that shop.



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Posted 19 July 2016 - 18:06

Can anyone give a review of Terry O'Neill's Mid Atlantic Sports Racing Cars book?. The Dalton Watson site etc shows it well, but I would welcome comments. I have Terry's other 2 books, Bahamas and NE Sports Racing, so this latest one would sit well, esp alongside Willem Oosthoek's excellent series.
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Posted 21 July 2016 - 12:09

Power Without Glory: Racing the Big-Twin Cooper
 

Said to be one of the best motor racing books ever.

 

Down to less than 70 books left! Short listed for various awards later this year, this much acclaimed book will soon be out of print so BUY NOW.

 

I will be at the Cooper 70th anniversary meeting at Prescott so if you go to www.loosefillings.com and email me I can reserve one for you and bring it with me.

Otherwise just go to the site and have one posted from Lavenham Press.



#8366 Nick Savage

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Posted 22 July 2016 - 12:25

I have no serious interest in 500/1000cc racing cars, but I must say that 'Power Without Glory' is one of the most interesting books I have bought recently  -  apart from everything else, it is a rich picture of the motor-racing scene post-1945, with a wonderfully volatile mix of straight-cut nostalgia, make-do-and-mend, experimentation, bonkers ideas, genuine innovation and characters.

I encourage any TNF readers who have not bought it to go out and do so.

 

I should add that I have no links with author/publishers/hucksters/boosters and whatever.....

Nick



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Posted 27 July 2016 - 21:07

The Colin Crabbe autobiography, The Thrill of the Chase, is ready for shipping according to an email I received today from Dalton Watson.

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Posted 31 July 2016 - 15:37

Martin Rudow's book on lost North American road courses has gone to the publisher.  It's scheduled to come out next summer.  Here is a link:

 

http://glfi.watermar...k/9781613252222

 

Vince H.

My initial print copy (Lost Road Courses) has arrived and this is a wonderful addition to a growing motorsports library.  Quality research through personal visits by the author kick this book into high gear.  Not going to share details but coverage includes Augusta, Bridgehampton, Continental Divide, Edmonton, Green Valley, Greenwood, Hilltop, Marlboro, Meadowdale, Bahamas, Ontario, ,Riverside, Roosevelt, Stardust, War Bonnet, Watkins Glen and Westwood. :clap:    https://www.amazon.c...st road courses

 

Henry


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Posted 01 August 2016 - 18:11

The Colin Crabbe autobiography, The Thrill of the Chase, is ready for shipping according to an email I received today from Dalton Watson.

I was delighted to find Colin was signing copies on the Chaters stand at the Silverstone Classic on Saturday so I was able to pick one up. Not had a chance to start reading yet. He said he had to leave a few stories out but I'm hoping for a good read.

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Posted 02 August 2016 - 12:17

Are old Autocourses still valuable? I've got 76-93 + '96. No intention of selling as yet, just curious!



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Posted 02 August 2016 - 13:19

Are old Autocourses still valuable? I've got 76-93 + '96. No intention of selling as yet, just curious!

 

1976 - on current prices - was the last really valuable one and fetches a minimum of £80 these days, as it's now scarce in any condition. Of the eight copies currently on ABE only two are in the UK and an American dealer is looking for more than twice that! The early 1980s ones are selling for about £40 and by the time you get to the early 1990s they can be had for about £15. That's retail, so if selling to a dealer expect about 20-25% of those figures!



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Posted 02 August 2016 - 13:47

1976 - on current prices - was the last really valuable one and fetches a minimum of £80 these days, as it's now scarce in any condition. Of the eight copies currently on ABE only two are in the UK and an American dealer is looking for more than twice that! The early 1980s ones are selling for about £40 and by the time you get to the early 1990s they can be had for about £15. That's retail, so if selling to a dealer expect about 20-25% of those figures!

 

Following my Ā£60 for 8 Autocourses from the mid 70s deal at a local secondhand book shop, I've played the game of seeing what I could buy on ebay for a maximum of Ā£20 including postage and with patience have filled most of the gap from then until now. I haven't bothered with a couple of the Schmacher years just after the millennium and now have almost a full set, principally missing a couple of years in the late 60s and early 70s. That'll be potentially expensive to fill, but I'm not in a hurry. When I started collecting Autocourses around 10 years ago, I only really wanted the years that a Brit won the championship and I've achieved that, having had to dig deep at Hortons for a 1962 copy at Race Retro a few years back.They are nice to have though, just this weekend my son and I were discussing the relative merits of Rosberg father and son, and looking through the books covering Keke's career was fascinating.

The other point that I was going to make is that quite often the 1990s copies simply don't sell at any price- I found a Damon Hill autographed 1996 copy which cost me Ā£16 or so on ebay earlier this year but I had no takers at all for my then surplus 1996 book when I tried to sell it. I gave it to a charity shop in the end.


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#8373 PRD

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Posted 02 August 2016 - 13:58

Talking about Damon Hill, he was plugging his new book in the Motor Sport podcast

 

http://www.thebookse...acmillan-329771



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Posted 03 August 2016 - 11:23

I've never seen more than an occasional copy in WH Smiths and Waterstones, only piled high in Chaters and Motor Books or at the various shows.

 

It is surely the consequence of the Sky tv coverage and to a lesser degree the other broadcaster who provide enough detail and of course imagery to satisfy the majority rather than paying for a book.

 

Another factor is that one team has dominated for far too long, too many of the regulatory diktats of the FIA are actively counter-productive and the genre has, in my opinion, become a relative bore, with exception.

 

Additionally a significant number of the latter day generation are not that keen on books if my experience of family and friends is typical, it is all about looking rather than reading now, plus so many do not have the room for (large) books in the average modern house.



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Posted 03 August 2016 - 13:10


Additionally a significant number of the latter day generation are not that keen on books if my experience of family and friends is typical, it is all about looking rather than reading now, plus so many do not have the room for (large) books in the average modern house.

That may well be true, but I suspect that a number of readers of this thread have reached the same point as I have. That is, I have such a streak going, what with every copy since 1961, that I am very loathe to break it.  Time was when I read every year cover to cover, but I have not done that for a good number of years now. My pattern is to read the articles at the front, but to skim the race reports very quickly. I also selectively read the last portion of the book, the ladder series reports, mainly to see who the up-and-comers may be. As for the US section, I completely ignore anything nascar, but read the rest, although I must say that Kirby's incessant doom and gloom reporting gets tiresome.



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Posted 03 August 2016 - 14:24

As for the US section, I completely ignore anything nascar, but read the rest, although I must say that Kirby's incessant doom and gloom reporting gets tiresome.

 

You're right, and I could do without his contributions to Motor Sport as well. Kirby's utter disdain for anything F1 is well known, but in the current issue of MS he has a full page obituary for Carl Haas. Every detail of Carl's racing career is described, but with not a word mentioning his F1 episode with the Haas/Beatrice effort. That's taking his blinkered anti-F1 prejudice to extreme levels. The man is a fool, MS Editor Damien should have told him to try again, leaving out a major part of the Haas racing history is just plain wrong for anyone expecting to be taken seriously as a motor racing historian.



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Posted 03 August 2016 - 15:21

I was interested to see the reference to the book on ATS and so idly looked at the sample pages offered if you hit the photo of the cover of the book.

 

I see that the authors claim in their opening chapter  that one of the people to finance the ATS project was  "Jaime Patiz Ortino". No such person exists. The man who helped finance the project was Jaime Ortiz Patino  one of the heirs to the Bolivian tin mining fortune. With such accuracy in the opening chapter I fear for the rest of the book.

 

The ATS Story has always fascinated me. How a group of  technically-gifted people and demonstrated winners failed so abysmally in their business of choice was always clouded in some mystery. So when I saw in Amazon a book  (ATS the Italian Team that Challenged Ferrari by Michael John Lazzari) about it at less then 10 pounds I went for it, forgetting the above warning by Graham Gauld. What can I say? I'm sure, as the late and sorely missed Michael Catsch wrote some posts after, that the Italian version was different (meaning better) but indeed the PatiƱo mistake (twice) is not the only one. Captions are wrong in some photos, Mario Cabral is described as Mexican, a mysterious Abbott is spotted as a participant in the 1963 Italian GP... But the worst is the English used. Even for  a non-native like me it is painful to read a below par version of a Google translation (which probably transformed Carlo Abate into the said Abbott). The author claims he has British relatives: he could have asked them to edit the book  ;) . The laudable objective of widening the audience becomes farcical which is a pity because there was clearly a lot of research and effort put into it. It has to be seen to be believed but the author actually also wrote in this thread and his post is a kind of sample for what is written in the book.

 

Though it would have been useful to make the difference between direct interviews and quotes from other sources, still a lot of interesting insight from the participants in the ATS adventure are spread along the book. I appreciated the fact that more than one explanation to several events is offered when the contemporary sources have distinct views. Does the book answer my original question? Not completely even if some leads (internal differences, not so generous-budgets, inexperience - apart from the original Ferrari rebels -, interference from the management) explain at least partially why the novel team collapsed in one single season. Some more information about the reasons for the split (what exactly were the conflicts between Laura Ferrari and the rebels), about the staff recruited (where did they come from?) or reactions from the Ferrari camp would have been welcome. All that of course preferably explained in a reasonable English.


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Posted 07 August 2016 - 22:37

Eagerly awaiting the postman's knock... this week: Ian Scott Watson's Black Sheep in the Fast Lane and (the somewhat weightier) Colin Crabbe book.

No doubt my copy of Pit and Paddock will arrive in due course, although it has gone a little quiet recently.



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Posted 08 August 2016 - 13:26

Eagerly awaiting the postman's knock... this week: Ian Scott Watson's Black Sheep in the Fast Lane and (the somewhat weightier) Colin Crabbe book.

No doubt my copy of Pit and Paddock will arrive in due course, although it has gone a little quiet recently.

 

I bought a copy of Black Sheep in the Fast Lane last month direct from the author. It arrived with a printed, but personally signed letter. I enjoyed the book, it gave a glimpse into the sort of world that Jim Clark came from.

 

I see that following the new Damon Hill biography, Johnny Herbert has a book due in November. I hope they are both better than Our Noige's effort last year



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Posted 08 August 2016 - 13:47

...I hope they are both better than Our Noige's effort last year

 

Indeed, a friend showed me his copy of the latest Mansell published whinge. We can be sure that dire book's quality will have been someone elses fault though, certainly not his.



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Posted 20 August 2016 - 19:42

I bought a copy of Black Sheep in the Fast Lane last month direct from the author. It arrived with a printed, but personally signed letter. I enjoyed the book, it gave a glimpse into the sort of world that Jim Clark came from.

 

I see that following the new Damon Hill biography, Johnny Herbert has a book due in November. I hope they are both better than Our Noige's effort last year

Both arrived, both totally great, both totally different! Ian also hand wrote "Dear Peter..." and signed the letter and Colin signed the book at the front!



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Posted 31 August 2016 - 00:50

has any one read, and have an opinion on "Rosie's Memories of Monaco and the Chatham Bar"  by L. Coffey & R. Bernard ?

 

 

Mike (group7)



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Posted 02 September 2016 - 17:14

Richard Williams on Damon Hill's autobiography, Watching the Wheels, to be published next week.



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Posted 02 September 2016 - 17:45

 

An excellent piece of writing, as almost everything emanating from Richard Williams is, but as is so often the case with Guardian articles, some of the comments following it are very good as well. I especially liked the one from my favourite Beatle, re-quoted from a source several years ago of course.

 

Interviewed directly after his World Championship win, George Harrison said that Hill was a worthy champion, but that his biggest achievement in life was that he was a great human being. I'm with George.

 

Me too.

 

Frequent denigration of Damon Hill, mainly by "experts" on forums etc, has always annoyed me, statements like "The least worthy World Champion" etc. I never met Damon, though I did meet his dad, and I'm certain that no-one who knew Hill the younger would ever say anything like that about him, he seems to make a good impression on everyone who meets him, even fleetingly.



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Posted 05 September 2016 - 12:08

Can't wait to read the Damon Hill book. Fans of both Richard Williams & Damon Hill may enjoy this small exchange from twitter, which happened in the midst of the Olympic rowing events (sorry about the formatting):
 


@rwilliams1947Sometimes I wonder whether road cyclists or boxers are the toughest people in sport. Then I remember rowers.

 

Damon Hill ā€@HillF1  Aug 13

My mother won a gold European Games Womens' 8s 1953. They didn't let women row in Olympics back then

 

Richard Williams Retweeted Damon Hill

I didn't know that. What a fantastic achievement back then.

 

@rwilliams1947 When she married my dad she was 'the famous oarswoman, Bette Shubrook'.

 

 

 

 

The Telegraph has a feature/interview today on the book which includes this heartbreaking snippet:

 

Hill loved his father but everything revolved entirely around Graham, while his wife Bette brought up Damon and his two sisters. "The truth is that we were all in his army," writes Hill, "our job was to enhance his status." In a TV documentary made about his life, Hill was asked what his family meant to him and replied that they were everything, because if anything happened to them he couldn’t carry on racing.

 

 

:(


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Posted 06 September 2016 - 19:34

Half-hour conversation with Damon from 5Live: http://www.bbc.co.uk...rammes/p04713kf



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Posted 09 September 2016 - 11:18

Have just read "Alboreto. Gasoline in the veins" written by Michele Alboreto’s younger brother, Ermanno.

 

​Very good read!

 

​Available through Amazon!



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Posted 09 September 2016 - 19:12

Damon Hill will be a guest on BBC Radio 4's Saturday Live programme tomorrow (10th Sep) at 9.00 am, presumably to talk about his book.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...rammes/b07rkjg2

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Posted 12 September 2016 - 20:32

Anybody going to the BTCC this Sunday? John Fitzpatrick (My Life at the Wheel) & Howden Ganley (The Road to Monaco) will be there & signing their books on Sunday.

 

fitz_my_life_at_the_wheel_cover.jpg  the_road_to_monaco_my_life_in_motor_raci



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Posted 13 September 2016 - 19:56

I read Watching the Wheels in one sitting (less a break for lunch!) today. As with the Richard Williams piece, it's a very candid look at Damon's life, before, during and after his racing career. No great revelations - although I hadn't realised that as a teenager Damon had spent some time in California, staying with both Dan Gurney and Phil Hill - but a good account of his bike racing career and some interesting insights into his time at Williams, Arrows and Jordan - especially the politics thereof. Reading between the lines, it appears that Damon quickly became less than enamoured with Tom Walkinshaw - and was also very well-advised when he set up the deal with Jordan. Not that anyone would ever accuse EJ of anything dodgy, of course.  ;)

 

As someone who also grew up in the shadow of a well-known father (not in Graham's league, but recognised just about wherever he went) I was able to identify with quite a lot of what Damon says about his childhood and his schooldays and - to a certain extent - the disconnect he felt between the public and private Graham Hill. We learn quite a bit about the Hill family's life, the stress Graham was under as a team boss and - a little distressingly - the events of that fateful night in November 1975: I hadn't realised (and I don't think it's been discussed here in the past) that Graham's plane crash is covered in some detail in a book published as long ago as 2001. There's also a clue as to why - as has been noted here before - Graham's grave is not maintained.

 

I spotted a couple of minor factual errors and there are a few points where he repeats himself to no great effect (a good copy-editor should have picked those up) but overall it's a very honest and engaging account by and about a thoroughly decent, modest bloke who is now - finally - at peace with himself and with life.



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Posted 13 September 2016 - 23:07

Damon Hill will be a guest on BBC Radio 4's Saturday Live programme tomorrow (10th Sep) at 9.00 am, presumably to talk about his book.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...rammes/b07rkjg2

 

Interesting that the Rev Richard Coles (ex of The Communards, pop pickers, who had the biggest-selling single of 1986 with their cover of "Don't Leave Me This Way") seems to be something of a racing fan, remembering being at the 1971 British GP. 

 

How many other racing drivers would drop the Futurists into a conversation, incidentally?
 



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Posted 14 September 2016 - 05:51

That edition of Saturday Live was worth listening to not only for Damon, but also for former British Sprint Champion David Render talking about his WW2 experiences as a tank commander.

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Posted 14 September 2016 - 06:13

 

How many other racing drivers would drop the Futurists into a conversation, incidentally?
 

Despite Damon's somewhat self-effacing comments about his alleged lack of academic prowess (he got more O-levels than me!), there are hints in the book that - in addition to his first in Literature from the OU - he is very well- and widely-read. Certainly some classical allusions which went over my head and which I will have to research when I read the book again. He even seems to apologise for taking six years to complete his Open University degree; six years is actually the norm, requiring a commitment of 16 hours a week - so unless you opt to do more than one course per academic year you can't actually get a degree in less than six!



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Posted 15 September 2016 - 11:15

Despite Damon's somewhat self-effacing comments about his alleged lack of academic prowess (he got more O-levels than me!), there are hints in the book that - in addition to his first in Literature from the OU - he is very well- and widely-read. Certainly some classical allusions which went over my head and which I will have to research when I read the book again.

 

Can you remember what they were? I'm still reading but the only one I can think of so far is when he compares himself to Telemachus (although he probably wasn't working from the same frame of reference there as me:)

 



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Posted 15 September 2016 - 11:40

Yes, Telemachus was one, but I think he meant this one! :lol:

 

Can't remember the others offhand though.



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Posted 15 September 2016 - 20:18

Hey, Ulysses 31 stayed pretty faithful to the core material, the creator wanted kids to go off and read the original stories (which incidentally is exactly what I did) and also had a killer theme tune, which was the real reason I picked it for the reference here, of course.
 
I finished the book this evening and thoroughly enjoyed it. I had been excited to read it too, and had remembered an interview with Damon several years ago in which Paul Kimmage asked him about whether he was interested in writing an autobiography:
 

"I don't know," he said. "I think that I'd want to write it myself and I just haven't found the time yet. And there are two sides to this: there's the sporting story and what I did in my career; and there's my life, which is a different story altogether. I haven't worked out how I would separate them yet."
"Why would you want to separate them?" I asked.
"We all have places we don't want to go," he said. "There's a boundary where you say, 'That's as far as you go', and I'm not sure who would want to read it. If I could write a book that explained my life to me, that would be useful, I would read it, but I don't quite have the perspective on it yet."


I was always amused but also struck by the poignancy of someone wishing the story of their life existed so they could read it to find out what it had all meant. I see Paul Kimmage remembered it too because this is reprinted/ taken from his piece about the new book in independent.ie 

 

So what do we learn? As Vitesse2 has said, in a way, we don't learn that much in terms of facts being imparted - this is, after all a life that was spent largely in the public eye from childhood as the son of one of a complex and very famous man. Accordingly, what he get is more about how Damon felt at the time of significant events and in some instances, how his views have changed over the years. So for example, we knew there were clashes within the Williams team but not that Damon feels in hindsight that part of the issue was his unconscious frustration that Frank Williams and Patrick Head weren't behaving like his own father, the mechanic turned driver turned team boss.

 

And of course Graham himself. I will break off to say that I admire Graham Hill's achievements extraordinarily highly and it blows my mind all he achieved considering how late he came to the sport. He also had died before I really became aware of motoracing so there's never been a time when I didn't know of the sad end to his life, which I think retrospectively colours everything else somehow, in a way that doesn't happen for the thankfully few drivers who I saw live out their lives at the same time as me. I can remember my own feelings of that as well as the sadness of what comes later. The interesting thing is that Damon Hill comes across as doing the same - even the happy memories tend to be presented in the context of the future accident, such as an aside that the plane they're taking for a holiday is the same one that will crash later, which is unsettling. Graham Hill himself comes across as contradictory as attempted to be described by his son as he always struck me, by the way.  I fully believe the people who queue up to tell tales of Graham Hill's giving nature and his kindness but in the book so many of his jokes and funny stories come across as blunt, bordering on the cruel.  I also always thought he was extremely witty but that his sense of humour was angry for want of a better word. 'You know that thing you think is wonderful?' his jokes all seemed to say 'well, actually it's just all bullshit' And his timing was brilliant and his charisma binding so everyone would laugh and yet I wondered how he really saw the world. The chapters devoted to the circumstances of his father's death are extremely raw and painful reading, making it very clear just how devastating this was for him and his family and how in its way the shock continued to reverberate through his life as if from a depth charge.

 

Other highlights - his infectious enthusiasm and love for bikes. Really, the sense of love for bikes that comes across seems more profound than it does for the cars and world of F1 but his reasoning for moving from one to the other are presented very logically.

 

His writing about Ayrton Senna, who he has written about before and his insight is fascinating because he's one of the few people I've read who both sense the Senna aura without really being affected by it. It's just my view but I'm often struck when reading accounts or autobiographies or old footage just how much Senna seemed to get everyone acting, well, a bit like him - all heightened emotion, no matter how down to earth they might generally be. Almost like getting sucked into the orbit of a sun. Damon Hill resists it somehow, possibly due to his own previous experience of being around an extremely charismatic man. And it's fascinating to see.

 

Overall, what comes across in this book is that this is an exceptionally decent man who was always possibly that little bit too self deprecating of his own worth for his career's good. Even when he wins SPOTY, he almost tries to explain it away even as he thanks people for their support. And yet, that's also part of what endeared him to people beyond his talent and commitment. People voted for him because his successes and failures meant something to the people and still does. They cared about this introspective guy because he was real, and funny and ultimately, because they believed he deserved it. I was therefore saddened to read of his depression that he had to endure and pleased to see he is doing better. I do hope that the warmth and affection shown by people towards him is shown in the signings he is doing to promote this because it looks like it is attracting huge numbers wherever he goes.



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Posted 16 September 2016 - 09:12

Despite Damon's somewhat self-effacing comments about his alleged lack of academic prowess (he got more O-levels than me!), there are hints in the book that - in addition to his first in Literature from the OU - he is very well- and widely-read. Certainly some classical allusions which went over my head and which I will have to research when I read the book again. He even seems to apologise for taking six years to complete his Open University degree; six years is actually the norm, requiring a commitment of 16 hours a week - so unless you opt to do more than one course per academic year you can't actually get a degree in less than six!

 

I went to Damon's talk in Chepstow on Tuesday last and I'd forgotten what a thoroughly nice person he is. Witty, self-deprecating and honest he comes over as a man who is at peace with himself and enjoying life. He said that he'd only started writing his book in February this year, so it must have been like trying to write all his assignments at once.



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Posted 16 September 2016 - 09:44

 He said that he'd only started writing his book in February this year, so it must have been like trying to write all his assignments at once.

And then some! OU assignments tend to average out at about 1200-1500 words over the course, with only the final one of six being longer. 1200-1500 words is two or three pages of A4!

 

In the afterword and acknowledgements he does mention it was a 'tight deadline'. Publishers can of course pull out the stops occasionally. But seven months from commencement of writing to 355-page finished article is seriously impressive from all concerned. There is a nod to Maurice Hamilton, but I get the impression his participation might have been more in a fact-checking and revising role, as there's a very consistent style to the writing.



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Posted 22 September 2016 - 04:18

While browsing around Amazon for new titles I noticed that Doug Nye will have a photographic biography of Enzo Ferrari coming out through Evro next year.....with many previously unpublished pictures, it is to be hoped. One would have thought that anything worth saying about Ferrari has already been said (many times?), but perhaps we have more to learn. Has there been any talk of the Luigi Chinetti, Jr., book that has long been rumored?

All this has reminded me to ask if anyone has taken up the task of updating the forthcoming books list.

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Posted 26 September 2016 - 17:45

I was interested to see the reference to the book on ATS and so idly looked at the sample pages offered if you hit the photo of the cover of the book.

 

I see that the authors claim in their opening chapter  that one of the people to finance the ATS project was  "Jaime Patiz Ortino". No such person exists. The man who helped finance the project was Jaime Ortiz Patino  one of the heirs to the Bolivian tin mining fortune. With such accuracy in the opening chapter I fear for the rest of the book.

 

 

The ATS Story has always fascinated me. How a group of  technically-gifted people and demonstrated winners failed so abysmally in their business of choice was always clouded in some mystery. So when I saw in Amazon a book  (ATS the Italian Team that Challenged Ferrari by Michael John Lazzari) about it at less then 10 pounds I went for it, forgetting the above warning by Graham Gauld. What can I say? I'm sure, as the late and sorely missed Michael Catsch wrote some posts after, that the Italian version was different (meaning better) but indeed the PatiƱo mistake (twice) is not the only one. Captions are wrong in some photos, Mario Cabral is described as Mexican, a mysterious Abbott is spotted as a participant in the 1963 Italian GP... But the worst is the English used. Even for  a non-native like me it is painful to read a below par version of a Google translation (which probably transformed Carlo Abate into the said Abbott). The author claims he has British relatives: he could have asked them to edit the book  ;) . The laudable objective of widening the audience becomes farcical which is a pity because there was clearly a lot of research and effort put into it. It has to be seen to be believed but the author actually also wrote in this thread and his post is a kind of sample for what is written in the book.

 

Though it would have been useful to make the difference between direct interviews and quotes from other sources, still a lot of interesting insight from the participants in the ATS adventure are spread along the book. I appreciated the fact that more than one explanation to several events is offered when the contemporary sources have distinct views. Does the book answer my original question? Not completely even if some leads (internal differences, not so generous-budgets, inexperience - apart from the original Ferrari rebels -, interference from the management) explain at least partially why the novel team collapsed in one single season. Some more information about the reasons for the split (what exactly were the conflicts between Laura Ferrari and the rebels), about the staff recruited (where did they come from?) or reactions from the Ferrari camp would have been welcome. All that of course preferably explained in a reasonable English.

 

The review of the ATS book that I wrote (http://speedreaders....lenged-ferrari/) really created some headaches for me given that the English language edition is such a mess. The various other problems, as mentioned, almost literally pale in comparison given that it is virtually impossible to read it in an coherent matter. In the end, I pretty much threw my hands up. Hopefully, this interesting little story will receive the attention it seems to deserve, especially when placed in a larger context, something Lazzari apparently attempted, but (at least in the English-language edition) did not quite succeed.