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[armonico]

This is an extract of an interview with Ron Dennis appearing in the last issue of Grand Prix. Thanks to migfre to post it and share it.

Aprovecho y os copio un extracto de una entrevista a Ron Dennis publicada en el último número de Grand Prix:

P:Lo que más le dolió a Fernando en su relación con usted fueron sus palabras en Mónaco, cuando dijo que lamentaba haber perjudicado a Hamilton al frenar a sus pilotos. Desmereció su victoria...

Dennis: No soy perfecto. Nada más terminar la carrera la prensa inglesa se abalanzó sobre mí. Treinta personas me acosaron. Intenté controlar durante todo el fin de semana a Lewis, porque no paraba de decirme: "Quiero ganar en Mónaco, es mi pista favorita, quiero ganar en Mónaco..". También lo dijo en la prensa. Y en la carrera tocó el guardarrail un par de veces. Tuve que controlar la situación y decirle que se estuviera tranquilo. Y fue difíci para mí. Iba al límite y tuve que pensar en lo mejor para la escudería. Era la 14 victoria en Mónaco y estaba muy contento pero la prensa inglesa me atacó. Estaba encantado por Alonso y hasta la FIA comprobó lo que dijimos por la radio. No les di órdenes, pero sí instrucciones de que tuvieran cuidado. Y la Federación, otra vez como ahra, gastó mucho tiempo investigándolo. Mi prioridad es ser el jefe de esta escudería y hacer mi trabajo.

Lo que puso la prensa afectó nuestra relación. Mis acciones dañaron mi relación con Fernando. Él es pasional y esto le afecta, pero yo estaba encantado con su victoria. Disfruté mucho con el doblete.

P: ¿Dice cosas distintas a los periodistas ingleses que a los españoles?

R: No, en este tema en concreto, no. Yo siempre estoy abierto a hablar con la prensa española. Pregúntenle a Pedro cómo soy. Todo el mundo en el equipo es feliz con los triunfos de Fernando.

P: ¿Ha hablado con él de éste distanciamiento?

R: Creo que hubo un malentendido entre él y yo con lo que pasó en Montecarlo pero estamos intentando construir mejor la relación.

P: ¿Mereció entonces el triunfo en Mónaco? Aún no se lo hemos escuchado decir...

R: Claro que lo mereció. Hizo la mejor carrera que he visto nunca. Fue una carrera fantástica. Pilotó de una manera brillante y ganó el gran premio en las primeras veinte vueltas. Simplemente. Todo aquel que sepa de careras pudo verlo.

Why didn't he tell this to the English media after the Monaco race?
Is he really sincere in this interview?
Does just he want to please Spanish fans and the magazine readers?
Why did he justify and support Hamilton outburst?
Could he ever rebuild Alonso's trust on him and McLaren, after the Moanco and Hungaroring management disasters?

[bl-f1]

Lewis Hamilton has played all battles outside the track better than Fernando Alonso. In doing so it was only a matter of time before people saw his real ruthless, even disloyal streak, and with consistently good results and perseverance Fernando could have turned the situation around, beating his team mate in the track.
Fernando has made a big mistake alienating his relationship with Ron Dennis and McLaren and isolating himself from the team.
My interpretation of Ron Dennis' words is that they want Fernando Alonso to stay and are willing to improve in the perceived favouritism towards Hamilton.
In addition, I do not think Mercedes and Vodafone want to see their image damaged in Spain.

[armonico]

Originally posted by bl-f1
Lewis Hamilton has played all battles outside the track better than Fernando Alonso. In doing so it was only a matter of time before people saw his real ruthless, even disloyal streak, and with consistently good results and perseverance Fernando could have turned the situation around, beating his team mate in the track.
Fernando has made a big mistake alienating his relationship with Ron Dennis and McLaren and isolating himself from the team.
My interpretation of Ron Dennis' words is that they want Fernando Alonso to stay and are willing to improve in the perceived favouritism towards Hamilton.
In addition, I do not think Mercedes and Vodafone want to see their image damaged in Spain.

What is most of your post related to that extract from the Q&A?

What misunderstanding Ron was talking about? Similar to the one he distanced himself from Montoya in 2005? Give me a break!

[bl-f1]

Originally posted by armonico


then why was the reason he didn't praise Alonso victory in the british Media?

What is most of your post related to that extract from the Q&A?

Dennis praises Alonso in the Spanish media only after things have gone bust in Hungary because up until that point Hamilton had won them over. This is a turning point.

[bl-f1]

Shamefully none of this made it to Autosport.

[armonico]

Originally posted by bl-f1


Dennis praises Alonso in the Spanish media only after things have gone bust in Hungary because up until that point Hamilton had won them over. This is a turning point.

This interview has appeared in a monthly Spanish racing magazine and I think the interview was made before the Hungarian GP.

If the Hungary race is a turning point, it is something that we will see. IMHO, nothing is going to change and I'll go even further to comment that Hamilton's position inside the team has been again reinforced. All those vintage McLaren high profile ex-employees recently comments are good examples of it. All are simpathetically forgiving Hamilton disobeyance but all are critizising the unproven Alonso 'blocking'. Till the radio scripts are disclosed, there is no proof of Alonso having done it deliberately.

FIA stewards, at the last minute, beleived more Hamilton's argument than McLaren's and Alonso's to put it simple. But Hamilton lied about he was not able to let Alonso by at the start of Q3. So he also may have lied on other matters. That his face is candid when he is telling lies doesn't meant he hasn't lied.

[pUs]

Sorry, I didn't understand anything of that. Was the first reply in this thread a shorter, english version of what he said?

[armonico]

no.

[Melbourne Park]

Originally posted by armonico
This is an extract of an interview with Ron Dennis appearing in the last issue of Grand Prix. Thanks to migfre to post it and share it.

I don't speak Spanish, but I also did not know that Ron spoke Spanish. Impressive.

[vsubravet]

Originally posted by Melbourne Park
I don't speak Spanish, but I also did not know that Ron spoke Spanish. Impressive.

[vsubravet]

'ARMONICO', appreciate your posts and the information from the Spanish media but if you can't translate that we (the non-Spanish speaking chaps) cannot contribute to this thread. I opened the thread to find out but thus far there is nothing on the basis of which I can comment.

[Szoelloe]

Originally posted by vsubravet
'ARMONICO', appreciate your posts and the information from the Spanish media but if you can't translate that we (the non-Spanish speaking chaps) cannot contribute to this thread. I opened the thread to find out but thus far there is nothing on the basis of which I can comment.

yes, please, can somebody translate??

[Haribo]

A very bad Babelfish translation:

I take advantage of and I copy an extract to you of an interview to Ron Dennis published in the last number of Grand Prix:

P:Lo that hurt to him more to Fernando in its relation with you was their words in Monaco, when it said that it was sorry to have harmed to Hamilton when restraining his pilots. Its victory was inferior...

Dennis: I am not perfect. Nothing else to finish to the race the English press was rushed on me. Thirty people harassed to me. I tried to control the weekend to Lewis throughout, because he did not stop to say to me: "I want to win in Monaco, is my favorite track, I want to win in Monaco.". Also he said it in the press. And in the race he touched to the guardarrail a pair of times. I had to control the situation and to say to him that he was calm. And he was difíci for me. He went to the limit and I had to think about the best thing for escudería. Victory in Monaco was the 14 and was very contented but the English press attacked to me. It was enchanted by Alonso and until the FIA it verified what we said by the radio. I did not issue orders to them, but instructions of which had well-taken care of. And the Federation, again like ahra, spent long time investigating it.

My priority is to be the head of this escudería and to make my work. What put the press affected our relation. My actions damaged my relation with Fernando. It is passional and this affects to him, but I was enchanted with his victory. I enjoyed much the doublet.

P: It says things different from the English journalists who to the Spaniards?

R: No, in this subject in particular, no. I always am open to speak with the Spanish press. Pregúntenle to Pedro how I am. Everybody in the equipment is happy with the triumphs of Fernando.

P: It has spoken with him of this one spacing?

R: I believe that there was malentendido between him and I with which happened in Montecarlo it but we are trying to construct better the relation.

P: It deserved then the triumph in Monaco? Not yet we have been listened to it say...

R: Clear that it deserved it. It made the best race than I have never seen. It was a fantastic race. It piloted of a shining way and it gained the great prize in the first twenty returns. Simply. All that that knows of expensive could see it.

[HSJ]

Originally posted by armonico

Is he really sincere in this interview?

I'm afraid after some recent lies coming out of Ron and McLaren, there's little reason to think this is anything more than yet another attempt to give a good impression in the face of an uglier truth. Of course he could be telling the truth, but the guy has cried wolf one time too many in my book now.

[Gareth]

Apologies if I get this wrong as I'm going from the babbelfish translation, but am I right in thinking this is what has occurred:

1. Alonso wins in Monaco

2. the press ask Dennis about the strategy used by the team

3. Dennis responds by stating the strategy used

4. Alonso and fans get upset that, in stating to the press the actual strategy that was used, Dennis has denigrated Alonso's win

5. Dennis gives an interview a couple of months later to the Spanish press where he says that Alonso's win in Monaco was good

6. fans complain this is too little too late

So the whole basis of Alonso and his fans' issues with Dennis is that:

1. he told the media the strategy used at Monaco; and

2. when he did that he didn't say: "regardless of the strategy Alonso would have won because he was amazing today".

That's it? Please tell me there's some other complaint/issue with Dennis/McLaren because if that is the extent of the problems I'm worried that there's an element of hyper-sensitivity involved here.

[armonico]

mostly wrong, try again.

[Gareth]

Originally posted by armonico
mostly wrong, try again.

Helpful as ever, armonico. Thanks :

[prty]

Originally posted by bl-f1


Dennis praises Alonso in the Spanish media only after things have gone bust in Hungary because up until that point Hamilton had won them over. This is a turning point.

The interview took place before Hungary qualifying, see this:

http://www.as.com/ar...asdaimot_4/Tes/

Ron Dennis, antes de la polémica calificación, tuvo un encuentro con la prensa en el que reconoció que el bicampeón y él no se llevan lo bien que quisiera: "Estamos intentando construir mejor nuestra relación".

[armonico]

Originally posted by prty


The interview took place before Hungary qualifying, see this:

http://www.as.com/ar...asdaimot_4/Tes/

not sure about the press conference in Hungary - read my reply to you in the other thread. I would not bet on it. Apart from the simmilar parts, the other couple of extra Q&As look very familiar to me ( I think I already read them before) but I may wrong. (methinks not but I'm giving myself a scape door )

[ViMaMo]

Originally posted by armonico
mostly wrong, try again.

If you understand it better why don't you atleast post the translation?

[F1Fanatic.co.uk]

Could someone please translate or summarise what Dennis has said in English for the benefit of those of us who doesn't speak Spanish? Perhaps something a little more reliable than Babelfish!

Thanks.

[armonico]

Originally posted by Gareth

Helpful as ever, armonico. Thanks :

first, Ron hasn't mentioned strategy in the above-mentioned Q&A. You must have therefore mistaken what Ron said to the British Press to what he said in this Q&A.

What he is talking about is that he felt 'bullied' by the British press after the race and Hamilton's state of mind before the race and what he did to help Hamilton to finish it sound and sane.

[karlth]

Originally posted by armonico
mostly wrong, try again.

Well this is what was posted on the Icelandic web site Mbl.is.

Dennis sagði blaðamönnum hins vegar síðdegis að Hamilton gæti sjálfum sér kennt um hvernig fór. Hann hefði í upphafi lokalotunnar hunsað fyrirmæli af stjórnborði um að hleypa Alonso fram úr þar sem hann væri með meira eldsneyti og myndi aka einum hring lengra fram að fyrsta dekkjastoppi.

Þótt þjónustusveit Alonso gæfi merki um að hann gæti haldið af stað gaf yfir vélfræðingur hans að bíða með að leggja af stað.

„Vélfræðingur hans taldi niður áður en lagt skyldi af stað. Hann er undir stjórn vélfræðingsins, sá ákveður hvenær hann ekur. Þannig gengur það fyrir sig. Ef þið haldið að þetta hafi verið ásetningur, þá megið þið halda hvað sem ykkur sýnist. Ég hef sagt ykkur nákvæmlega hvað átti sér stað,“ sagði Dennis.

I think those comments clearly say that Dennis does infact support Alonso totally.

Well armonico I think it is difficult now to still state that Alonso is not being favoured at McLaren.

[Gareth]

Originally posted by armonico
first, Ron hasn't mentioned strategy in the above-mentioned Q&A. You must have therefore mistaken what Ron said to the British Press to what he said in this Q&A.

In the "timeline" I posted, only point 5 refers to the Q&A. I think you have misunderstood my post.

Originally posted by armonico
What he is talking about is that he felt 'bullied' by the British press after the race and Hamilton's state of mind before the race and what he did to help Hamilton to finish it sound and sane.

And the consequences of that bullying and/or help for Hamilton are stated in the Q&A to be what?

It seems to say that he was forced to state the strategy used because he was bullied, but he doesn't say he misrepresented the strategy used because of that bullying, does it?

[FerrariFanInTexas]

I only wish there were F1 interviews conducted in Latin so I could post them without translating and then make snide comments to all of you who can't translate it. Stupid Jesuit education.

[scheivlak]

Originally posted by karlth


Well this is what was posted on the Icelandic web site Mbl.is.



I think those comments clearly say that Dennis does infact support Alonso totally.

Well armonico I think it is difficult now to still state that Alonso is not being favoured at McLaren.

[prty]

It seems to say that he was forced to state the strategy used because he was bullied, but he doesn't say he misrepresented the strategy used because of that bullying, does it?

That's exactly what he does.

P:Lo que más le dolió a Fernando en su relación con usted fueron sus palabras en Mónaco, cuando dijo que lamentaba haber perjudicado a Hamilton al frenar a sus pilotos. Desmereció su victoria...

Dennis: No soy perfecto. Nada más terminar la carrera la prensa inglesa se abalanzó sobre mí. Treinta personas me acosaron

[Bumper]

Yeah Armonico what's up? You're always so helpful normally. You can't post a Spanish language article on an English language forum and expect us non-Spanish speaking people to all understand what you (and more importantly Ron) are talking about, and then you getting pissed off when we have no idea what the article says.

Hey I'm an Alonso fan, don't get all defensive straight away and assume that everyone is against Alonso

Maybe you could possibly provide a translation which would be much appreciated as we'd like to know what the fuss is about?

[Gareth]

Originally posted by prty


That's exactly what he does.

This is like pulling teeth.

Anyone want to be kind enough to translate that? Thanks very much.

[MikeTekRacing]

Originally posted by armonico
mostly wrong, try again.

i think a moderator should close this thread then.
this is an english forum
i understood the article because i understand spanish, but that's not fair for everybody.

it's ok to post stuff in other languages and it's ok not to translate them.it's not ok to sit there and say that it was not translated right and he should try again
smart ass attitude

[LeD]

Does that mean I can't post the arabic version of this interview, from Al Ahram?

[Risil]

Does this prevent us from posting anything Ron ever says, if the forum requires everything to be translated into plain English beforehand?

[Lurb]

I'm Spanish and a FA fan and I agree that this thread makes no sense and armonico is increasingly going off his rocker.
The gist of the article is that Ron admits he handled wrong the Monaco debacle due to pressure from Hamilton and the British press. Hamilton had decided that Monaco was his and he deserved the victory well before the race and was overdriving during it for no good reason. After LH hit the wall a couple of times RD had to do his job and tell him to tone it down. After the race he crumbled under the barrage of accusations from the press and the FIA inquiry ("I'm just a human") and admits his words helped in diminishing FA's victory and affected their relationship, while in his real opinion it was a brilliant and dominant drive.

[scheivlak]

Originally posted by Lurb
I'm Spanish and a FA fan and I agree that this thread makes no sense and armonico is increasingly going off his rocker.
The gist of the article is that Ron admits he handled wrong the Monaco debacle due to pressure from Hamilton and the British press. Hamilton had decided that Monaco was his and he deserved the victory well before the race and was overdriving during it for no good reason. After LH hit the wall a couple of times RD had to do his job and tell him to tone it down. After the race he crumbled under the barrage of accusations from the press and the FIA inquiry ("I'm just a human") and admits his words helped in diminishing FA's victory and affected their relationship, while in his real opinion it was a brilliant and dominant drive.

Thanks.

[Kpy]

Just to make things a little easier, here's the best translation I can do. It's not perfect, but I hope it helps:

Extract from an interview with Ron Dennis in the latest issue of Grand Prix:

Q: what hurts Fernando most in your relationship with him is what you said at Monaco, when you said that you were sorry to have prejudiced Hamilton by slowing your drivers. [It]Devalued his win….

Dennis: I am not perfect. The race had only just finished when the English press rushed up to me. All weekend, I was trying to control Lewis, because he wouldn't stop telling me "I want to win at Monaco, it's my favourite track, I want to win at Monaco …” he also said that to the press. And in the race he touched the guardrail a couple of times. I had to control the situation and to tell him to calm down. And that was difficult for me. He was on the limit and I had to think of what was best for the team. It was our 14th win at Monaco, and I was very happy, but the English press criticized me. I was very happy for Alonso and then the FIA confirmed what we had said on the radio. I did not give them orders, but I told them to be careful. And as before, the Federation spent a lot of time investigating that. My priority is to be the boss of this team and to do my job.

What the press did affected our relationship. My actions damaged my relationship with Fernando. He is sensitive, and this affected him, but I was very happy with his win. I enjoyed the 1-2 a lot.

Q: Do you say different things to the Spanish and English press?

R: No, on this subject, in particular, no. I am always prepared to speak with the Spanish press. Ask Pedro how I am. Everyone in the team is happy with Fernando's wins.

Q: have you spoken to him about this distancing?

R: I believe that there was a misunderstanding between him and me over what happened in Monaco, but we are trying to improve the relationship.

Q: So was the win in Monaco a deserved one? We haven’t heard you say that yet.

R: Of course it was deserved. He drove the best race I’ve ever seen. It was a fantastic race. He drove brilliantly and won the Grand Prix in the first 20 laps. Everyone who knows about racing could see that.

[Gareth]

Originally posted by Lurb
I'm Spanish and a FA fan and I agree that this thread makes no sense and armonico is increasingly going off his rocker.
The gist of the article is that Ron admits he handled wrong the Monaco debacle due to pressure from Hamilton and the British press. Hamilton had decided that Monaco was his and he deserved the victory well before the race and was overdriving during it for no good reason. After LH hit the wall a couple of times RD had to do his job and tell him to tone it down. After the race he crumbled under the barrage of accusations from the press and the FIA inquiry ("I'm just a human") and admits his words helped in diminishing FA's victory and affected their relationship, while in his real opinion it was a brilliant and dominant drive.

Thanks very much Lurb, really appreciate it.

Seems to fit in to the chain of events I popped up earlier, that armonico and prty disagree with.

[armonico]

Originally posted by Gareth
In the "timeline" I posted, only point 5 refers to the Q&A. I think you have misunderstood my post.

And the consequences of that bullying and/or help for Hamilton are stated in the Q&A to be what?

It seems to say that he was forced to state the strategy used because he was bullied, but he doesn't say he misrepresented the strategy used because of that bullying, does it?

I knew what you were about. But that wasn't what the article refers to. You were wrong in your points because you again move the debate/discussion to the land you feel comfortable with.

The points I raised were not the points you were debating/discussing. That was one of the reasons I said you were mostly wrong.

I have understood the strategy displayed in Monaco, Hamilton whining, the British Press bullying Ron. I have nothing against it. But what I didn't understood was Ron (and others McLaren bosses) attitude and actions and his words in this part of the interview are quite telling.

Edit: send it too quick.

[prty]

Thanks very much Lurb, really appreciate it.

Seems to fit in to the chain of events I popped up earlier, that armonico and prty disagree with.

It seems to say that he was forced to state the strategy used because he was bullied, but he doesn't say he misrepresented the strategy used because of that bullying, does it?

Originally posted by prty

That's exactly what he does.

"Q: what hurts Fernando most in your relationship with him is what you said at Monaco, when you said that you were sorry to have prejudiced Hamilton by slowing your drivers. [It]Devalued his win….

Dennis: I am not perfect. The race had only just finished when the British press rushed up to me. 30 people harassed me"


Seems to fit to what I posted, that you disagree with.

[Gareth]

Originally posted by armonico


I knew what you were about. But that wasn't what the article refers to. You were wrong in your points because you again move the debate/discussion to the land you feel comfortable with.

The points I raised were not the points you were debating/discussing. That was the reason I said you were mostly wrong.

So the points I said could have been right, but because they didn't address your points they were wrong?

So if I'd posted "2+2=4" you would have replied "mostly wrong, try again" because you weren't discussing maths?

Good to see that people must address the great armonico in a thread, and if they consider anything else they are "mostly wrong"

Weird.

[Gareth]

Originally posted by prty
"Q: what hurts Fernando most in your relationship with him is what you said at Monaco, when you said that you were sorry to have prejudiced Hamilton by slowing your drivers. [It]Devalued his win….

Dennis: I am not perfect. The race had only just finished when the British press rushed up to me. 30 people harassed me"


Seems to fit to what I posted, that you disagree with.

Dennis said he wished he hadn't said things, he does not say that what he said was untrue.

[prty]

Dennis said he wished he hadn't said things, he does not say that what he said was untrue.

He says he said that only because he was harassed by the British press. "I'm not perfect" is said if you did something wrong. The question was "What hurts Fernando most in your relationship with him is what you said at Monaco, when you said that you were sorry to have prejudiced Hamilton by slowing your drivers. [It]Devalued his win…."

So indeed he admits he devaluated Alonso's win in Monaco because the British press rushed him. Also:

"I did not give them orders, but I told them to be careful" and "Of course it was deserved. He drove the best race I’ve ever seen. It was a fantastic race. He drove brilliantly and won the Grand Prix in the first 20 laps. Everyone who knows about racing could see that."

That's not what Dennis said after Monaco, was it? Which was:

"I don't like to slow drivers down, don't like them to be frustrated, don't like these things to happen, because I am an absolute racer.

"But that's what you have to do to win the Monaco GP and I'm not going to make any excuses for it."

My point stands.

[bl-f1]

Originally posted by Gareth

Thanks very much Lurb, really appreciate it.

Seems to fit in to the chain of events I popped up earlier, that armonico and prty disagree with.

It subtly but absolutely does not fit at all with the chain of events you have described in your previous posts.

Read again the translation, which is very accurate. It says a lot about Hamilton, about what Dennis thought, which is that Alonso drove the best race he has ever seen, and how manipulative British press has been with all the chain of events thereafter.

Your statement that Dennis words fit what you wrote above just shows you are either blinded or read it selectively.

[Mauseri]

Dennis problem is that in first half of the season Alonso was designated the first driver role. But Hamilton did just as good job from inferior starting points, and in fact would have won Monaco with a better strategy.

Of course Alonso's victory in Monaco was good because he had the right strategy and he didnt make mistakes. But that doesnt change the fact, that Hamilton has seriously unsettled Alonso's first driver role. Even in Hungaroring he protested it.

[Gareth]

Originally posted by prty


He says he said that only because he was harassed by the British press. "I'm not perfect" is said if you did something wrong. The question was "What hurts Fernando most in your relationship with him is what you said at Monaco, when you said that you were sorry to have prejudiced Hamilton by slowing your drivers. [It]Devalued his win…."

So indeed he admits he devaluated Alonso's win in Monaco because the British press rushed him.

Which is exactly the point I made in my first post about this: Alonso and fans were upset by Dennis revealing the truth about McLaren's strategy at Monaco because they feel it devalued Alonso's win, Dennis wishes he hadn't revealed that truth because he did not wish to devalue Alonso's win (which he thought was brilliant).

There's an FIA investigation, results here, that tell you the truth about the Monaco strategies.

I think Alonso is being very sensitive if the whole cause of his rift with Dennis is that, in telling the truth about the Monaco strategy, Dennis did not also make it clear that he thought that Alonso's win was awesome and regardless of strategy Alonso would have taken the win.

[Gareth]

Originally posted by bl-f1


It subtly but absolutely does not fit at all with the chain of events you have described in your previous posts.

Read again the translation, which is very accurate. It says a lot about Hamilton, about what Dennis thought, which is that Alonso drove the best race he has ever seen, and how manipulative British press has been with all the chain of events thereafter.

Your statement that Dennis words fit what you wrote above just shows you are either blinded or read it selectively.

Please point out what in my first post is wrong.

Sure, there may be points missing (I did not have the translation at the time, remember), but what is wrong?

[bl-f1]

Originally posted by micra_k10
Dennis problem is that in first half of the season Alonso was designated the first driver role. But Hamilton did just as good job from inferior starting points, and in fact would have won Monaco with a better strategy.

Of course Alonso's victory in Monaco was good because he had the right strategy and he didnt make mistakes. But that doesnt change the fact, that Hamilton has seriously unsettled Alonso's first driver role. Even in Hungaroring he protested it.

It is impossible to have a argument when new and unrelated comments are brought in that have nothing to do with what was being discussed in the first instance.

No, Alonso did not win because he had the right strategy, he won because he drove the best race Dennis has ever seen, using his own words. Coming from someone who has had the likes of Prost and Senna in his ranks in my opinion it says a lot more than what you have written.

I can understand different posters supporting or disliking different drivers, but credit should be granted where credit is due.

[Gareth]

Originally posted by bl-f1
No, Alonso did not win because he had the right strategy, he won because he drove the best race Dennis has ever seen, using his own words. Coming from someone who has had the likes of Prost and Senna in his ranks in my opinion it says a lot more than what you have written.

I can understand different posters supporting or disliking different drivers, but credit should be granted where credit is due.

I agree entirely

[bl-f1]

Originally posted by Gareth

Please point out what in my first post is wrong.

Sure, there may be points missing (I did not have the translation at the time, remember), but what is wrong?

Apologies. It seemed as if you were responding to the latest translation, which is accurate.
If you read it again and compare it to your own post it should be self explanatory. If you can not see that on your own there is absolutely no point in my trying to explain.

[prty]

Which is exactly the point I made in my first post about this: Alonso and fans were upset by Dennis revealing the truth about McLaren's strategy at Monaco because they feel it devalued Alonso's win, Dennis wishes he hadn't revealed that truth because he did not wish to devalue Alonso's win (which he thought was brilliant).

There's an FIA investigation, results here, that tell you the truth about the Monaco strategies.

I think Alonso is being very sensitive if the whole cause of his rift with Dennis is that, in telling the truth about the Monaco strategy, Dennis did not also make it clear that he thought that Alonso's win was awesome and regardless of strategy Alonso would have taken the win

Alonso and his fans weren't upset at all with the strategy because with 6 and 10 seconds advantage before the pit stops, and new tyres, high fuel being as fast as used tyres, low fuel, there's nothing Hamilton could do.

What upsets them is what I posted earlier: Dennis saying that he gave team orders to Hamilton, just because of the British press, something you fail to acknowledge. That isn't true, and devaluated Alonso's win. He didn't even mention Alonso stopped earlier too, that's something that Alonso refered to aswell. Which is what Dennis admitted now.

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I will be sorry to see Alonso leave a team he has been dreaming to drive for since childhood.
Alonso must give McLaren a fresh chance to get to like him. He must make an effort to blend in with the team. If he loses this championship, even the next one, he should get the stamina to overcome the current circumstances.