I went to the FORIX 1973 photo gallery and what do I find.
It says that this car is a Tyrrell! I never remember Lucky Strike backing a Tyrrell, especially in the 1970's.
Was this just a one race deal?
http://www.forix.com...7303026_mrr.jpg
The Lucky Strike Tyrrell?
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Megatron
, Jan 21 2000 07:20
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Posted 21 January 2000 - 07:21
And if that pic won't load, here is the URL.
http://www.forix.com...7303026_mrr.jpg
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http://www.forix.com...7303026_mrr.jpg
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Posted 21 January 2000 - 09:57
Hmmmm. 73 was Stewart and Cevert. Must have been a private entry like Lunger did with McLaren in 78 or a 1 shot deal. Interesting. I've never seen that car. Heard the name before.
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Posted 21 January 2000 - 11:51
The car is a Tyrrell 004 driven by Eddie Keizan, who was entered in the South African GP 1973 by Bignaut-Lucky Strike Racing. During the late 1960's and early 1970's South Africa had a local F1 series so when the World Championship event held their race in South Africa there were many local entries, Keizan included.
In the event Keizan qualified 22nd (out of 25) and was not a classified finisher, being twelve laps behind at the finish. He drove the same car in the 1974 race and finished 14th.
On the subject of the South African racing scene, does anybody know where there would be a picture of Peter de Klerk's Alfa Romeo Special on the net?
In the event Keizan qualified 22nd (out of 25) and was not a classified finisher, being twelve laps behind at the finish. He drove the same car in the 1974 race and finished 14th.
On the subject of the South African racing scene, does anybody know where there would be a picture of Peter de Klerk's Alfa Romeo Special on the net?
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Posted 21 January 2000 - 22:15
...and that Sth African F1 series is why Dave Charlton was able to sell M23/2 to John McCormack in Australia to convert to a F5000. This was run during 1979 in the 'enclosed bodywork' CanAm series, but I'm not sure at which three circuits.
Does anyone know if Mosport, Watkins Glen and Mid Ohio are correct.
The car returned to Australia and was to run in the 1980 Aust Grand Prix, but McCormack was injured in a road accident en route to the event. It spent a few years under his house, then a phone call from McLaren led to it being sent back to England and going into the Donington Museum in its original form. The only part of the car altered to take the Leyland P76 engine (Rover 3500 engine with an extra inch of deck height) was the oil tank, so the refit of the Cosworth was relatively easy.
Does anyone know if Mosport, Watkins Glen and Mid Ohio are correct.
The car returned to Australia and was to run in the 1980 Aust Grand Prix, but McCormack was injured in a road accident en route to the event. It spent a few years under his house, then a phone call from McLaren led to it being sent back to England and going into the Donington Museum in its original form. The only part of the car altered to take the Leyland P76 engine (Rover 3500 engine with an extra inch of deck height) was the oil tank, so the refit of the Cosworth was relatively easy.
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Posted 22 January 2000 - 02:24
Stephen
a)Whenever you are looking for "strange" pics might I suggest that you approach The 8W Team ? After all, that's what the 8W Game is about...OK, I have followed Dennis David's path of shameless promotion, I know... ;-)
b)The answer to Alfa Special pics is yes, although only in b&w. Nonetheless, I assume they will do its job, that is showing how the car looked like.
c)I am a complete dumb when faced with computer things. Accordingly, I do not have the slightest idea of how to post here the pics. But I suggest that you contact the master behind The 8W Game, our friend Racer.Demon, that will be able to solve that...and hence the pics will be posted.
Un abrazo
Felix
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a)Whenever you are looking for "strange" pics might I suggest that you approach The 8W Team ? After all, that's what the 8W Game is about...OK, I have followed Dennis David's path of shameless promotion, I know... ;-)
b)The answer to Alfa Special pics is yes, although only in b&w. Nonetheless, I assume they will do its job, that is showing how the car looked like.
c)I am a complete dumb when faced with computer things. Accordingly, I do not have the slightest idea of how to post here the pics. But I suggest that you contact the master behind The 8W Game, our friend Racer.Demon, that will be able to solve that...and hence the pics will be posted.
Un abrazo
Felix
The 8W Team http://www.racer.demon.nl/8w/
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Posted 22 January 2000 - 05:11
Ray,
Here are John McCormack's results from the 1979 Can-Am Challenge.
Mosport Park: 3 June 1979, Classified 18th (out of 19), retired lap 2, engine problems.
Mid-Ohio: 10 June 1979, Classified 13th (out of 24), retired lap 28, overheating.
Watkins Glen: 8 July 1979, Classified 12th (out of 26), 22 laps behind. (I'm not sure whether he finished this race or not.)
Here are John McCormack's results from the 1979 Can-Am Challenge.
Mosport Park: 3 June 1979, Classified 18th (out of 19), retired lap 2, engine problems.
Mid-Ohio: 10 June 1979, Classified 13th (out of 24), retired lap 28, overheating.
Watkins Glen: 8 July 1979, Classified 12th (out of 26), 22 laps behind. (I'm not sure whether he finished this race or not.)
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Posted 22 January 2000 - 06:59
Here's Racer.Demon coming to the rescue!
Especially for Stephen a couple of De Klerk Alfa Special pictures.
This first one is from Kyalami 1964.
The second one is from East London 1965.
BTW, I loved how Ray - through his beloved McCormack M23 - managed to get Australian F5000 into a South African F1 question! Great job, Ray :-)
As a matter of fact, Ray: How would that car have stacked up against Jones' Williams or Giacomelli's Alfa in the 1980 Australian GP? Or would it have been more on a par with Pironi's Elfin or Costanzo's Lola? Was it a regular Gold Star F5000 runner or did it just do those 1979 CanAm races?
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Especially for Stephen a couple of De Klerk Alfa Special pictures.
This first one is from Kyalami 1964.
The second one is from East London 1965.
BTW, I loved how Ray - through his beloved McCormack M23 - managed to get Australian F5000 into a South African F1 question! Great job, Ray :-)
As a matter of fact, Ray: How would that car have stacked up against Jones' Williams or Giacomelli's Alfa in the 1980 Australian GP? Or would it have been more on a par with Pironi's Elfin or Costanzo's Lola? Was it a regular Gold Star F5000 runner or did it just do those 1979 CanAm races?
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R.D
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Posted 22 January 2000 - 08:19
Thank you Racer.Demon!
The car performed extremely well in the World Championship South African Grands Prix of the mid-sixties considering it was a special using a production based engine.
Soon I will enter the 8W Quiz at Racer.Demon, when I think I might stand a chance of getting a few right!
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The car performed extremely well in the World Championship South African Grands Prix of the mid-sixties considering it was a special using a production based engine.
Soon I will enter the 8W Quiz at Racer.Demon, when I think I might stand a chance of getting a few right!
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Posted 22 January 2000 - 21:18
McCormack won several Gold Star races from 1976 through to 1978, running against an emaciated Lola and Elfin field (Costanzo was not yet in the Hamilton team, so the best Lola, the T430 was in Hamilton's own hands) and won the series in 1977.
The biggest leap it should have taken forward was when special heads were made in 1979 which gave the P76-based engine 470bhp and 380lbs ft in its only dyno showing with that cam (the previous cam gave 420 of each, which was adjudged unlikely to get past the gearbox, which was the F1 FG400 with slightly stronger Holinger gears).
But it suffered from the usual problem of privateer developers. The heads, incidentally, were made of a high-silicon alloy which meant they ran without valve guides or seats. And before you ask about non-standard heads on F5000, this came in because the Chevys were cracking standard heads.
When you say the car was my "beloved M23," I guess you reflect some of my attitude to it. In an era of very basic F5000, it was something really different. From memory, McCormack was trying to get the better balance of F1, so the lighter engine was essential, and he wanted to use F1 tyres, those made by Dunlop for Hasemi in 1976 (pole or 2nd on the grid at Mt Fuji - forgot that, didn't you!) being the usual wear.
He would have got nowhere at Calder. As Cooper said: "As soon as we saw how deep the F1 cars went in under brakes we gave up." These were ground effect F1, the F5000s never got quite that far, and the biggest difference was in the braking area. They had nurtured ideas that on the stop-go Calder dump of a track they would stand a chance with their big torquey Chevys.
As McCormack was injured en route to the race, he never raced the car after his American soujourn. He later raced a Jaguar XJS in our highly-modified 'Sports Sedan' category. Today he's a mining engineer or something. A very unassuming man, he once told me that he never raced at Longford. "Sure, I drove there," he said, "but I never raced there." Very high levels of self preservation instinct.
But man was he fast through the South Curve at Phillip Island!
The biggest leap it should have taken forward was when special heads were made in 1979 which gave the P76-based engine 470bhp and 380lbs ft in its only dyno showing with that cam (the previous cam gave 420 of each, which was adjudged unlikely to get past the gearbox, which was the F1 FG400 with slightly stronger Holinger gears).
But it suffered from the usual problem of privateer developers. The heads, incidentally, were made of a high-silicon alloy which meant they ran without valve guides or seats. And before you ask about non-standard heads on F5000, this came in because the Chevys were cracking standard heads.
When you say the car was my "beloved M23," I guess you reflect some of my attitude to it. In an era of very basic F5000, it was something really different. From memory, McCormack was trying to get the better balance of F1, so the lighter engine was essential, and he wanted to use F1 tyres, those made by Dunlop for Hasemi in 1976 (pole or 2nd on the grid at Mt Fuji - forgot that, didn't you!) being the usual wear.
He would have got nowhere at Calder. As Cooper said: "As soon as we saw how deep the F1 cars went in under brakes we gave up." These were ground effect F1, the F5000s never got quite that far, and the biggest difference was in the braking area. They had nurtured ideas that on the stop-go Calder dump of a track they would stand a chance with their big torquey Chevys.
As McCormack was injured en route to the race, he never raced the car after his American soujourn. He later raced a Jaguar XJS in our highly-modified 'Sports Sedan' category. Today he's a mining engineer or something. A very unassuming man, he once told me that he never raced at Longford. "Sure, I drove there," he said, "but I never raced there." Very high levels of self preservation instinct.
But man was he fast through the South Curve at Phillip Island!
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Posted 24 November 2005 - 22:11
Megatron,
I've been browing TNF and came across your post.
You'll probably have more by now on the Lucky Strike Tyrrell.
But just for your info have a look at the following site.
www.john-w.de/models
click Formula 1 then >> 1/12 scale and you'll find a beautiful photo of a beautiful model.
carry on to 1/18 scale and you'll find another great one of the Lotus 72D Dave Charlton
I've been browing TNF and came across your post.
You'll probably have more by now on the Lucky Strike Tyrrell.
But just for your info have a look at the following site.
www.john-w.de/models
click Formula 1 then >> 1/12 scale and you'll find a beautiful photo of a beautiful model.
carry on to 1/18 scale and you'll find another great one of the Lotus 72D Dave Charlton
