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[Looserke]

[AFCA]

Very strange, definately no driver error...

[BorderReiver]

Right rear suspension is my guess. Whoever made that initial comment on YouTube is a cretin.

[ClubmanGT]

The only thing I can think of that would be a 'mistake' is that he went down too many gears?

[giacomo]

Niki Lauda just said on RTL that probably Raikkonen put too much brake force towards the rear axle thus causing the right hand rear brake to block.

No idea if he's right.

[BorderReiver]

Originally posted by ClubmanGT
The only thing I can think of that would be a 'mistake' is that he went down too many gears?

Nah, snatching a gear can do similar, but it just looks too sudden and viscious for that. Looking at Kimi's left had from the in-cockpit view it loosk very much like he only gets one flick-shift done anyway . . .

[Lukin]

Yeah I agree with the rear suspension, didn't have much steering so mostly a braking thing.

The knob on youtube did have a point, what were the marshall's doing so close?

[BorderReiver]

Originally posted by giacomo
Niki Lauda just said on RTL that probably Raikkonen put too much brake force towards the rear axle thus causing the right hand rear brake to block.

No idea if he's right.

I think he's off on that, the right rear certainly doesn't appear to lock (no smoke) so I wouldn't bet on a brake bias miscalculation.

I'm saying Suspension failure. So there!;)

[Lukin]

Originally posted by giacomo
Niki Lauda just said on RTL that probably Raikkonen put too much brake force towards the rear axle thus causing the right hand rear brake to block.

No idea if he's right.

I've never seen rear locking do that. Possible a broken toe link, bottom arm etc.

[clampett]

Oh my god, those comments.

[AFCA]

When it happened he was driving over 300 km/h. Luckily he first touched the wall on an 'innocent' angle, rather than fully going into the barriers straight away.

Colajanni: ''Kimi is fine and there are no problems.''

Kimi keeps his engine, so no penalty for him.

[wingwalker]

there was another replay, realtime onboard with sound, it definitely sounded like engine cut off/broke/whatever at the moment of the turn right. see the live thread.

[Icicle]

On the back straight Kimi seems to fiddle with brake balance thingy behind steering wheel. Perhaps pushed it wrong way?

[faasfans]

For a moment reminded me Alonso's puncture, indi 2004:

[Ilaya]

Originally posted by Lukin
what were the marshall's doing so close?

Well in their defense that would be the last place where they would expect a car to turn suddenly right.
But I guess that -after a change of underwear- these marshalls will stay safely way behind the barriers ;)

I'm wondering though whether to call Kimi unlucky for all the mechanical gremlins he had this weekend or lucky because he's safe and sound after such a high speed crash?

[slapstick]

It's very obvious that the car broke somehow.

[ClubmanGT]

That's gotta be a snap of some sort. What components can cause a turn like that?

[Mauseri]

Originally posted by giacomo
Niki Lauda just said on RTL that probably Raikkonen put too much brake force towards the rear axle thus causing the right hand rear brake to block.

No idea if he's right.

If it was brake lock up, shouldnt he have spun to left? That's how it usually happens...

My guess, something in right front suspension. At least after having hit the wall

[prty]

It's weird that when he crashes, he obviously has his left foot pressing the brake pedal, his rear wheel is blocked, and so is the right front, but the left front is spinning freely. If there is left front brake failure, that would cause the car to steer right under braking, like a tank does?

[ClubmanGT]

It's not a lock-up, you can see the car jump (under load) as it lurches to the right, which is indicative of a component that carries a vertical load breaking very suddenly.

E: It's the rear. Could the diffuser have detached, somehow?

[AFCA]

It's probably an error in the gearbox that caused the crash.

[Lukin]

Originally posted by AFCA
It's probably an error in the gearbox that caused the crash.

Ah yes the old 'turn hard right' trick. Not.

[Joyce]

Didn't Ferrari say KR lost it when hitting a bump?

joke...what a reason.

[Fortymark]

I think they got ABS on the rear tires coming from engine mapping.
Too much braking would mean the engine goes in and puts power on
through the TC system.

[HP]

Originally posted by slapstick
MS is at the track.

You're saying that Kimi is getting distracted by MS presence?

Anyhow, didn't look like a driver error to me. Except that Kimi should have taken his hands from the steering wheel before the car hit the tyres.

[macoran]

Originally posted by AFCA
It's probably an error in the gearbox that caused the crash.

I heard Dutch commentator Mol say gearbox was changed for qualifying
because of damage "after" the crash....
hmmmm

[emburmak]

Originally posted by AFCA
Very strange, definately no driver error...

That's not what the Ferrari spokeman said on ITV before quali. KR adjusted the brake balance prior to the corner. Perhaps it caught him out.

[macoran]

Originally posted by HP
Except that Kimi should have taken his hands from the steering wheel before the car hit the tyres.

Surprised me how long he held on to the steering wheel

[emburmak]

Originally posted by BorderReiver


I think he's off on that, the right rear certainly doesn't appear to lock (no smoke) so I wouldn't bet on a brake bias miscalculation.

I'm saying Suspension failure. So there!;)

Before quali on ITV, a Ferrari spokesman said there was nothing wrong with the car. I will go with Lauda on this one and chalk it down to driving error. KR was fiddling with the brake balance juist before arriving at the corner.

[Yellowmc]

Kimi and Massa both adjust brakes before pretty much every corner, nothing unusual.

There are some people on the paddock saying that it was a failure of the car but blame it on Kimi just to keep other teams away from the real issue.

[AFCA]

Originally posted by macoran


I heard Dutch commentator Mol say gearbox was changed for qualifying
because of damage "after" the crash....
hmmmm

Unlike the engine, the gearbox in the chassis that crashed wasn't put in the spare car...

To me it seemed the gearbox locked up while shifting back going into the corner (similar to what happened with Coulthard during qualifying, luckily for him no wall was in his vicinity).

Originally posted by emburmak


Before quali on ITV, a Ferrari spokesman said there was nothing wrong with the car. I will go with Lauda on this one and chalk it down to driving error. KR was fiddling with the brake balance juist before arriving at the corner.

He had changed the brake balance even before he went under the bridge. I've never seen a driver change his brake balance and then abruptly crash in the way Kimi did anyway...

Bugger off with the inapropriate smileys.

[Alien]

Originally posted by Lukin


I've never seen rear locking do that. Possible a broken toe link, bottom arm etc.

Rear locking does that, what Lauda said is on the spot but i'm not sure that is what happened in this case.

What i saw was a very dangerous accident, gladly Kimi is OK. Kimi has to learn to let the wheel go when he crashes!!!!! several drivers have had hand injuries for not letting of the wheel on a crash.

[emburmak]

Originally posted by emburmak


Before quali on ITV, a Ferrari spokesman said there was nothing wrong with the car. I will go with Lauda on this one and chalk it down to driving error. KR was fiddling with the brake balance juist before arriving at the corner.

Originally posted by AFCA


To me it seemed the gearbox locked up while shifting back going into the corner (similar to what happened with Coulthard during qualifying, luckily for him no wall was in his vicinity).



He had changed the brake balance even before he went under the bridge. I've never seen a driver change his brake balance and then abruptly crash in the way Kimi did anyway...

Bugger off with the inapropriate smileys.

Stop talking and defending rubbish....

What you think happened is not what actually happened.


Why is it so hard to admit KR just made a mistake??


KR himself has come clean and blamed himself for the practice crash. So could AFCA in particular and the numerous 'apologists' in general give it a rest.


Link-- Raikkonen: crash didn't affect qualifying


Raikkonen has blamed the morning's accident on the rear tyres locking under braking. Moments before the crash he was seen adjusting the brake balance in the cockpit.

"I just locked the rear brakes, and unfortunately it turned right and not left," he said. "Once it turned right I could not do anything, so I just waited until it stopped. Once you are on the grass there is not much you can do."

Clearly this ties in with what Lauda said and what I alluded to; driver error.

[Joyce]

If you mean ITV, then it goes:

"It just happened that he braked on a bump, he braked very hard and he lost the rear," Colajanni told ITV Sport's Louise Goodman.

"No mechanical failure, as far as we have seen and no driver mistakes. These kind of things can happen and it's a pity because he lost a lot of precious time after the time he lost yesterday.

"But luckily the engine didn't suffer any damage so when the car was back in the garage we removed it on to the T-Car, and we will do qualifying as normal."

by the way, why it is so happy to blame KR?

[AFCA]

Originally posted by emburmak
Stop talking and defending rubbish....

What you think happened is not what actually happened.


Why is it so hard to admit KR just made a mistake??

I obviously wrote that before I had seen Kimi's comments...

[emburmak]

Originally posted by Joyce
If you mean ITV, then it goes:

"It just happened that he braked on a bump, he braked very hard and he lost the rear," Colajanni told ITV Sport's Louise Goodman.

"No mechanical failure, as far as we have seen and no driver mistakes. These kind of things can happen and it's a pity because he lost a lot of precious time after the time he lost yesterday.

"But luckily the engine didn't suffer any damage so when the car was back in the garage we removed it on to the T-Car, and we will do qualifying as normal."

And what of the above quote coming from KR's mouth?

I think his comments rest the matter; driver error.

[madujoc]

Originally posted by Looserke

thanks for the clip....I had missed it on the TV

[kismet]

Well, that took a while. Must be a slow day or something.

Maybe I'm a wimp but it's absolutely horrifying how much pleasure some people seem to derive from high-speed accidents where a driver and track workers are lucky to escape without serious injuries. Who cares what may have broken in the car as long as it's the right driver/car that's being scraped off some wall or other? Is that some kind of sick joke? Maybe I'm just not getting it.

[prty]

Originally posted by prty
It's weird that when he crashes, he obviously has his left foot pressing the brake pedal, his rear wheel is blocked, and so is the right front, but the left front is spinning freely. If there is left front brake failure, that would cause the car to steer right under braking, like a tank does?

I repeat myself, and remember Massa in Bahrain last year, or Villeneuve in Malaysia 2005 with Ferrari's electronics.

[Menace]

Originally posted by emburmak




Stop talking and defending rubbish....

What you think happened is not what actually happened.


Why is it so hard to admit KR just made a mistake??


KR himself has come clean and blamed himself for the practice crash. So could AFCA in particular and the numerous 'apologists' in general give it a rest.


Link-- Raikkonen: crash didn't affect qualifying


Raikkonen has blamed the morning's accident on the rear tyres locking under braking. Moments before the crash he was seen adjusting the brake balance in the cockpit.

"I just locked the rear brakes, and unfortunately it turned right and not left," he said. "Once it turned right I could not do anything, so I just waited until it stopped. Once you are on the grass there is not much you can do."

Clearly this ties in with what Lauda said and what I alluded to; driver error.

Regardless if this was a mistake or a failure (Kimi has often said he simply made an "error" when clearly a component has failed on his car, SpeedTV commentators were laughing at the whole idea that it could have been a driver error that snapped the car to the right like that), your comments are completely out of line in this thread.

Furthermore, you posting smileys as you are about an accident that could have easily taken both the drivers and some track-marshalls lives is even more disturbing. I hope the admins take a close look at your posting history, and how apparently you get enjoyment out of every little thing that happens to certain Ferrari driver and instead of posting logically, your always looking to wind people up. Grow up man.

[mclarensmps]

I completely missed qualifying today

That crash looked really really harsh, I'm glad he's ok and good to race .

[schead]

My first reaction when I saw this was "oh my god, I hope he is ok". Once I found out that he simply walked away unharmed, there was a huge feeling of "Ha Ha, a Ferrari in the wall, coool." I think that these days you actually can laugh at high speed accidents because it would appear that F1 is less of a dangerous sport than Rugby!!

Kudos to the people responsible for ensuring safety has gotten so good in the sport. Accidents are hugely entertaining with the knowledge that nobody is hurt.

[stevewf1]

It was Kimi's fault, according to Kimi... http://www.speedtv.c...rmulaone/40090/

[K-One]

I think track had bump there, when KR braked, rear wheels were on air and locked.

[schead]

Originally posted by stevewf1
It was Kimi's fault, according to Kimi... http://www.speedtv.c...rmulaone/40090/

What does he know though? He is just a Kimi and Ferrari basher and clearly knows nothing about the situation.

[madujoc]

Originally posted by macoran


Surprised me how long he held on to the steering wheel

I wonder how much presence of mind these grand prix drivers have....

[stevewf1]

Originally posted by schead


What does he know though? He is just a Kimi and Ferrari basher and clearly knows nothing about the situation.

(I think)... But, are you saying that Kimi bashes Ferrari and himself? :

[schead]

Originally posted by stevewf1


(I think)... But, are you saying that Kimi bashes Ferrari and himself? :

Well he bashed a Ferrari pretty badly today, and I am sure he bashes himself quite frequently.

Obviously though, anyone who dares to suggest that Kimi makes a mistake EVER is a Ferrari and Kimi basher, which makes him both.

[AFCA]

His reartyres blocked on a bump.

Dyer: ''On the bump he had a problem with the brakes and lost the control over the car - it wasn't a mechanical failure. In this respect, the Ascari chicane location is simply problematic. It obviously cost tracktime, yesterday he was sidelined in the pitbox for an hour already. In short, it of course wasn't the optimal preparation for Kimi.''

''In qualifying McLaren was very strong, like they were in testing. But let's wait and see what happens tomorrow. One could do something here during the race. It will be a long and hot race - and at the end the one that has the best tyres will win. I always see a chance.''

[prettyface]

Originally posted by prty


I repeat myself, and remember Massa in Bahrain last year, or Villeneuve in Malaysia 2005 with Ferrari's electronics.

I noticed the free spinning front and the locked rear as well and thought it could be front left brake failure; but since he's already admitted to a freak reaction to locking the rears, it could simply be the gearbox locking the rear tire once the engine has cut off after the first impact.

Unless he's covering for the team in one of the circuits where brake failure is seen as life threating, who knows.