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#1 tobbe j

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Posted 10 September 2007 - 18:16

Here's a list of the Tyrrell cars I have not yet found in my searching.

It can see incompetent and no good with so many missed, but with no access to more information than a few books on Tyrrell and some Autocourses and the internet, but I do my best.
But not to forget is the most important information has come from owner and earlier owner and persons in several Forums that I have taken their time, a big thank you.


If you have information on this cars I bee grateful over if you post it below or mail me tobias@f1carstoday.net

The chassis and last seen
007-2 Dutch GP Zandvoort 22 June 1975.
007-5 Japanese GP Fuji 23 October 1977, privet entry by Muritsu Racing Team
007-6 United States GP Watkins Glen 10 October 1976, privet entry by OASC Racing, DNQ

008-1 Coys Monaco auction 15 May 2004 not sold
008-5 Radio Victory Trophy 9 September 1979, Melchester Racing

009-5 South Africn GP Kyalami 1 March 1980, Spare car
009-6 Brazilian GP Interlagos 27 January 1980.

010-1 French GP Dijon-Prenois 5 July 1981.
010-2 British GP Silverstone 18 July 1981.

011-3 Bonhams auction 2 December 2002

012-4 Jochen Rindt Trophy Thruxton 8 April 1985, F3000 Baron Racing.

014-1 Belgian GP Spa 15 September 1985
014-2 British GP Brands Hatch 13 July 1986, Spare car
014-3 Belgian GP Spa 25 May 1986, Spare car
014-4 Brazilian GP Rio de Janeiro 23 March 1986.

015-2 Belgian GP Spa 25 May 1986.
015-3 Coys Auction 15 December 1993.
015-4 Australian GP Adelaide 26 October 1986. Last race ‘86
015-5 Stoddart's Minardi auction 2004, bare tub.

016-3 Stoddart's Minardi auction 2004, bare tub.
016-7 Australian GP Adelaide 15 November 1987. Last race ‘87

018-5 Australian GP Adelaide 5 November 1989. Last race ‘89

019-2 Stoddart's Minardi auction 2004
019-3 German GP Hockenheim 29 July 1990
019-5 British GP Silverstone 15 July 1990
019-6 Stoddart's Minardi auction 2005
019-7 Brookes Goodwood auction 12 June 1998

020-1 Brazilian GP 24 March 1991, Spare car
020-2 German GP Hockenheim 28 July 1991
020C-5 San Marino GP Imola 25 April 1993
020C-6 San Marino GP Imola 25 April 1993, Spare car
020C-7 French GP Magny-Cours 4 July 1993
020B-8 Brazilian GP Interlagos 5 April 1992
020B-9 Bonhams auction 2 December 2002
020B-10 French GP Magny-Cours 5 July 1992

022-2 Australian GP Adelaide 13 November 1994, Last race ‘94
022-4 Australian GP Adelaide 13 November 1994, Last race ‘94

023-1 Australian GP Adelaide 12 November 1995, Spare car, Last race ‘95
023-2 Stoddart's Minardi auction 2005
023-3 Stoddart's Minardi auction 2004
023-5 Australian GP Adelaide 12 November 1995, Last race ‘95
023-6 Australian GP Adelaide 12 November 1995, Last race ‘95

024-1 Canadian GP Montreal 16 June 1996
024-2 Stoddart's Minardi auction 2005
024-3 Argentine GP Buenos Aires 7 April 1996
024-4 Stoddart's Minardi auction 2005
024-5 Japanese GP Suzuka 13 October 1996, Last race ‘96
024-6 Stoddart's Minardi auction 2005
If all cars are left today they are most likely still in Stoddart's collection

025-1 European GP Jerez 26 October 1997, Spare car, Last race ’97
025-2 Stoddart's Minardi auction 2005
025-3 European GP Jerez 26 October 1997, Last race ‘97
025-4 Stoddart's Minardi auction 2005
025-6 Stoddart's Minardi auction 2005
Four to five of these cars have left Stoddart's collection


I hope that I can edit this post when some of these cars are found

Edit
021-2 found and removed from this list
021-1 -3 found and removed from this list
018-4 found and removed from this list
016-2 found and removed from this list
007-7 Removed from this list

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#2 f1steveuk

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Posted 10 September 2007 - 18:19

Soames Langton had either a 019 or a 020 once, I'll have a look

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Posted 10 September 2007 - 18:35

Originally posted by f1steveuk
Soames Langton had either a 019 or a 020 once, I'll have a look


I have never heard that Soames Langton have a Tyrrell before. Thank you for the help also the smallest lead can help very much

#4 David McKinney

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Posted 10 September 2007 - 18:59

Stephen Langton Ltd were advertising 020/C11 for sale in July 1998

#5 tobbe j

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Posted 10 September 2007 - 19:06

Originally posted by David McKinney
Stephen Langton Ltd were advertising 020/C11 for sale in July 1998

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Thank you David 020C-11 was sold again 2004.

#6 David M. Kane

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Posted 10 September 2007 - 20:34

There are two Tyrrell 009 running with the HGP, check out www.historicgrandprix.com.

#7 Gerard Gamand

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Posted 11 September 2007 - 04:44

My Tyrrell 009, That I have run in 1995, had no chassis plate. It was believe to be 009-3 (or perhaps 009-1)
Here a pic take during my race in Nürburgring 95

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Posted 11 September 2007 - 05:44

Originally posted by David M. Kane
There are two Tyrrell 009 running with the HGP, check out www.historicgrandprix.com.

Thank you David it is 009-7 and 009-1 in historicgrandprix with Knoop and Brahin

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Posted 11 September 2007 - 05:49

Originally posted by Gerard Gamand
My Tyrrell 009, That I have run in 1995, had no chassis plate. It was believe to be 009-3 (or perhaps 009-1)

and once again thank for the help Gerard

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Posted 11 September 2007 - 12:49

I don't know if you're aware of this 009, on sale earlier this year

http://www.racecarsd...g.php?view=7526

or these (I keep finding more)

http://www.racecarsd...g.php?view=5608

http://www.race-cars...055175328ss.htm


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Posted 11 September 2007 - 13:53

That’s an intriguing helmet design you have there, Gerard.

Reminds me of the late Gerry Birrell.

#12 tobbe j

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Posted 11 September 2007 - 14:26

Originally posted by Cirrus
I don't know if you're aware of this 009, on sale earlier this year

http://www.racecarsd...g.php?view=7526

or these (I keep finding more)

http://www.racecarsd...g.php?view=5608

http://www.race-cars...055175328ss.htm

Thank you Cirrus
I have probably contacted all advertising agent the last years.

The first is probably a 009 without chassis plate the became re painted in Lotus color for some year ago. Unfortunately we do not know which of 009 it's.

And the second and third is the last 010 –3

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Posted 11 September 2007 - 14:56

There's a 022 in North America. I've seen it in the Mont-Tremblant paddock during the Sommet des Légendes, but never running on the track.

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Posted 11 September 2007 - 18:28

Originally posted by FLB
There's a 022 in North America. I've seen it in the Mont-Tremblant paddock during the Sommet des Légendes, but never running on the track.

Thank you FLB was it this year?
There are three 022 in USA it can bee one of these.

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Posted 11 September 2007 - 18:30

Originally posted by tobbe j

Thank you FLB was it this year?
There are three 022 in USA it can bee one of these.

Yes, this year and two years ago IIRC.

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Posted 11 September 2007 - 20:03

F.Van Eerd ran a 025 this year in Euroboss, another one being in the truck. Also seen with a 026 at Zolder round some weeks ago.
Here at Donington on the grid with P.Stoddart himself :

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Posted 11 September 2007 - 20:52

The 022 that I think was at Mont Tremblant is an Englishman's named Phil Stratford who now lives in the LA area. He finished 5th in the Gp. 9 race at the Brain Redman Kohler Challenge in July. His best lap was a 2:01.352, pretty respectable.

Previous to this Tyrrell he had an earlier model, but I don't know what happen to it or who he sold it to.

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Posted 12 September 2007 - 05:03

Originally posted by David M. Kane
The 022 that I think was at Mont Tremblant is an Englishman's named Phil Stratford who now lives in the LA area. He finished 5th in the Gp. 9 race at the Brain Redman Kohler Challenge in July. His best lap was a 2:01.352, pretty respectable.

Previous to this Tyrrell he had an earlier model, but I don't know what happen to it or who he sold it to.


Thank you David it was probably that I thought it was Phil’s.
I am in contact with Phil now and then, he have helped me very much.

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Posted 12 September 2007 - 05:13

Originally posted by MODE
F.Van Eerd ran a 025 this year in Euroboss, another one being in the truck. Also seen with a 026 at Zolder round some weeks ago.
Here at Donington on the grid with P.Stoddart himself :


Thank you MODE, Van Eerd have several 025 unfortunately I don't know exactly which they are but I have ideas.

A 026 it was funny to hearing that they have assembl a 026 this was new

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Posted 12 September 2007 - 08:14

I am missing Tyrrell as well on the F1-grid. ;)

OK, small info on Frits van Eerd. His family started a supermarket that has grown into a rather succesful chain in Holland. Frits is currently managing director and also an active autosport fan. In 2006 he won the dutch national rally championship. Jumbo is a sponsor in several (racing) activities: Jan Lammers Le Mans squad has been sponsored by Jumbo for some years now, as well as the dutch A1 team.
Van Eerd has built up a collection of racing cars in which there are some F1 cars. I saw a few flash by during a TV special. I believe next to the Tyrrells he owns a Dallara BMS-191 (1991, ex Lehto), a Fittipaldi F7 (1980) and a 1993 Ferrari F93A.

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Posted 12 September 2007 - 08:18

Originally posted by tobbe j

Thank you MODE, Van Eerd have several 025 unfortunately I don't know exactly which they are but I have ideas.

A 026 it was funny to hearing that they have assembl a 026 this was new


Apparently the last Tyrrell to race (an 026) had been coverted into one of the two seater F1 cars, all the suspension etc being transferred to the 2 seater chassis.

Stoodart's team put the original parts form the 2 seater back onto the original 026 tub and that is what Van Eerd was driving at Zolder - the last Tyrrell to have raced in F1.

I know that Van Eerd has bought several Tyrrells from Stoddart but don't know exactly which ones.

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Posted 12 September 2007 - 19:32

Originally posted by Peter Morley


Apparently the last Tyrrell to race (an 026) had been coverted into one of the two seater F1 cars, all the suspension etc being transferred to the 2 seater chassis.

Stoodart's team put the original parts form the 2 seater back onto the original 026 tub and that is what Van Eerd was driving at Zolder - the last Tyrrell to have raced in F1.

I know that Van Eerd has bought several Tyrrells from Stoddart but don't know exactly which ones.

Thank you Peter it was god to hear that 026 still on track. I thought at the never would leave Stoddart’s garage. Can it be possible that Stoddart have conserved a 026 and not took the parts to the two seater? They took all parts from 026 program and made 8 new chassis.

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Posted 13 September 2007 - 10:48

Originally posted by tobbe j

Thank you Peter it was god to hear that 026 still on track. I thought at the never would leave Stoddart’s garage. Can it be possible that Stoddart have conserved a 026 and not took the parts to the two seater? They took all parts from 026 program and made 8 new chassis.


As far as I know Stoddart still owns the 026.
The mechanic said they had used the parts to build the two seater, I got the impression they had all been dismantled for that purpose, but they didn't modify the parts so they could be re-fitted on the 026 chassis.

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Posted 06 October 2007 - 16:29

Hi and thank you for the help so far
I just wonder if it's any that know which 008 that Hans Peter racad in TGP 1995 and Trevor Reeves raced in TGP 1995 and 1998-1999? and which 009 that Karl Massen raced in TGP 2004?

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Posted 06 October 2007 - 16:40

MCS,

I've not seen your question before, sorry.

The reason why of my helmeth color is very simple. It's the French blue (of course!), with a tribute to Scotland (the white cross) for all the great drivers which I have seen : Clark, Birrel, Stewart etc.

#26 Arjan de Roos

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Posted 06 October 2007 - 16:44

A 007 in the Donington Collection

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Posted 06 October 2007 - 16:48

the 008 that Trever Reeves used to intermittently race was owned by Roger Earl and was the car that won Monaco with Depailler at the wheel. I'm afraid I don't know which chassis it is.

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Posted 06 October 2007 - 17:11

Originally posted by Gary C
the 008 that Trever Reeves used to intermittently race was owned by Roger Earl and was the car that won Monaco with Depailler at the wheel. I'm afraid I don't know which chassis it is.

Thanks, it was probably 008-3 then.

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Posted 06 October 2007 - 17:14

yes, that does ring a bell. I don't think that Roger owns it nowadays though.

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Posted 06 October 2007 - 17:32

Originally posted by Gary C
yes, that does ring a bell. I don't think that Roger owns it nowadays though.


No he do not own it today

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Posted 06 October 2007 - 17:41

Originally posted by Arjan de Roos
A 007 in the Donington Collection

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Its likely 007-4, is probably In Donington, before it is flying over the big puddle again? Ore is it’s the new home?

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Posted 06 October 2007 - 17:44

Originally posted by tobbe j
I just wonder if it's any that know which 008 that Hans Peter racad in TGP 1995 and Trevor Reeves raced in TGP 1995 and 1998-1999? and which 009 that Karl Massen raced in TGP 2004?

I can confirm the Earl/Reeves car was No.3
Hans Peter's was No.4 (later raced by Klaus Fiedler and Hubertus Bahlsen)
Can't help with the 009, sorry

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Posted 06 October 2007 - 18:07

Originally posted by David McKinney

I can confirm the Earl/Reeves car was No.3
Hans Peter's was No.4 (later raced by Klaus Fiedler and Hubertus Bahlsen)
Can't help with the 009, sorry


Thanks, It was a small step in correct direction. Thank you all for the help

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Posted 06 October 2007 - 20:11

Originally posted by David McKinney

I can confirm the Earl/Reeves car was No.3
Hans Peter's was No.4 (later raced by Klaus Fiedler and Hubertus Bahlsen)
Can't help with the 009, sorry

David,
I have Klaus Fiedler using 008/5 in 1999 & 2000?
This is from the 'old' TGP website, before they removed the results archive section and also here http://forums.autosp...?threadid=17261
Can you confirm 008/4 for Fiedler (before I change my database)?

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Posted 06 October 2007 - 20:20

Originally posted by Rob Ryder

David,
I have Klaus Fiedler using 008/5 in 1999 & 2000?
This is from the 'old' TGP website, before they removed the results archive section and also here http://forums.autosp...?threadid=17261
Can you confirm 008/4 for Fiedler (before I change my database)?

Rob


I can confirm Fiedler raced 008-4 in 1999-2000.

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Posted 06 October 2007 - 21:39

I would have noted the number either from the chassis-plate or from a display-board with the car at one or more TGP rounds (though of course I can't swear to the accuracy of either)

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Posted 06 October 2007 - 22:22

Originally posted by David McKinney
I would have noted the number either from the chassis-plate or from a display-board with the car at one or more TGP rounds (though of course I can't swear to the accuracy of either)

Thanks David.. I'll change my data and add 'as observed'.
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Posted 20 October 2007 - 18:19

Hi all Tyrrell fans first and foremost thanks for all the help so far.

Now I wonder over the exists of Tyrrell’s wind tunnel models?
And which existed? How big was the other model?
And where are they?


One of the first was a 10% model of Tyrrell 001.
And wasn’t 011-1 used as a Wind tunnel model?
It existed also on the last cars 40% model on 022 - 026 all on Stoddarts Minards auction

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Posted 20 October 2007 - 18:23

Wind tunnel and factory must have all gone to Paul Stoddart surely?

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#40 tobbe j

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Posted 20 October 2007 - 18:34

The first model probably left the factory before Stoddart entered

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 19:48

2 wind tunnel models are for sale here, a 022 and a 023 : http://www.formulasports.lu/fr/

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 20:57

About 6 years ago, I heard a rumor that a Tyrrell six-wheel (spare car) tub and misc bits were in storage in Wisconsin. There was also rumored to be a DFV in that lot as well.

IF true, was that thing ever unearthed?

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 21:00

I'd heard that a guy by the name of Bud Bennett, in the States, had acquired an unused tub and was building a new one. This was from P34 owner Simon Bull, but I've not heard anything of the car since.

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 21:05

hmmm... interesting. I wonder if that might be the same car? I suppose I should query John Delane, he may know more details surrounding the elusive Tyrrell.

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Posted 03 November 2007 - 18:29

Yes it's with most likely the same chassis that Gary C mention "8" chassis likely a tube started to build after the last P34-7. Probably all work ended when Gardner left the Project 34.
And yes there is one DFV in this lot, and many parts that also have helped Simon when he re build -6. And probably a runner in a few years.

It looks like that Tyrrell continued to built chassis to there last race, for example 007-7 never use, And it exists also other example on cars that not have been used or only been used in last race or only as spare.

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Posted 02 March 2008 - 15:52

I found a little result published from Jimmy Piget, have tried that contact but not managed to.

In 1987 Won Richard Peacock own Tyrrell Ford-Cosworth in Kirkistown two times
And in 1991 Won Ian Giles own Tyrrell Judd in Pembrey
Judd in ’91????? Ken used it first in ’93. print error?

Is it any that has more information about this? Which are the cars? And is there any that has results over race '80 to mid '90 with Tyrrell cars (Not F1 Race) or where to look?

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Posted 02 March 2008 - 16:04

Did you talk or email John Delane? He is very knowledgeable.

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Posted 02 March 2008 - 16:08

Yes I have email John earlier and last week awaits answer

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Posted 02 March 2008 - 16:55

Without looking anything up, the chances are that Giles was using a Judd-built Cosworth engine

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Posted 02 March 2008 - 17:32

Originally posted by tobbe j
I found a little result published from Jimmy Piget, have tried that contact but not managed to.

In 1987 Won Richard Peacock own Tyrrell Ford-Cosworth in Kirkistown two times
And in 1991 Won Ian Giles own Tyrrell Judd in Pembrey
Judd in ’91????? Ken used it first in ’93. print error?

Is it any that has more information about this? Which are the cars? And is there any that has results over race '80 to mid '90 with Tyrrell cars (Not F1 Race) or where to look?


Picture of Richard Peacock winning at Oulton Park in his Tyrell 010 in 1987 in a HSCC race for " Historically Interesting Formula One, Formula Two and F5000 cars!"

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Kind regards

Phil