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[GadgetMan]

Hi all,

Is it me or are you also getting friggin annoyed with the way Hamilton keeps whining everytime he does not get his way during races?

Once again, after the Spa GP, he made sure to complain about something: this time, he's been whining about Alonso's move at the start, although he's pulled a lot of questionable moves himself so far this season.

After Monaco, he complained that the team told him to slow down after the second pit stop, conveniently remaining silent about the fact that McLaren had instructed both drivers, at the same time, to slow down so as to minimize the likelyhood of crashing. Moreover, Alonso beat him comprehensively all week end long in Monaco so Hamilton should have had the decency to shut up after the race. His complaints, aided and abetted by the British press, prompted an inquiry by the FIA into team orders at McLaren. Then, in Hungary, he ignored the strategy agreed by the team for qualification, irritating Alonso to the point where the latter made it on purpose to block him during the last stage of the qualifications, resulting in a penalty for both Alonso and the team.

It's been quite obvious for all to see that Fernando has started to come to grips with his new car and tyres in the last few races and he has outclassed Hamilton comprehensively. Hamilton has pulled very agressive moves at the start of most races, the worst one at Monza against Massa.

The british media has been all too happy to sing his praise and act as a proxy to push his agenda. It was all nice and cute at the start of the season but it is fast becoming repetitive and quite annoying.

Hamilton is starting to look and sound like the spoilt brat living next door to me when I was a kid who would invariably go like this: "My daddy is stronger than yours. If you don't let me win, I'll take all my toys and go home"...

Hey hamilton, if you think you can hack being a F1 WDC, do your talking on the track and shut the **** up after races.

GadgetMan

[vapaokie]

Originally posted by GadgetMan

Hamilton is starting to look and sound like the spoilt brat living next door to me when I was a kid who would invariably go like this: "My daddy is stronger than yours. If you don't let me win, I'll take all my toys and go home"...

Hey hamilton, if you think you can hack being a F1 WDC, do your talking on the track and shut the **** up after races.

GadgetMan [/B]

Hmm..

Did you confuse Hamilton w/ Alonso, and mean to use Fernando's name; considering the allegation regarding Hungary and how word got to the FIA about the emails?

[MONTOYASPEED]

Yes.

[president evil]

Yep. Double standards. Shamilton pushed Massa nearly onto the grass at the start at Monza and its supposedly "fair but firm." When Alonso pushes Shamilton wide at La Source at Spa its the crime of the century. Dont dish it out Shammy unless you are prepared to take it.

[Tenmantaylor]

He shouldnt have moaned about Monaco but he was within his rights about what Alonso did at La Source. IMO.

[Buttoneer]

Originally posted by Tenmantaylor
He shouldnt have moaned about Monaco but he was within his rights about what Alonso did at La Source. IMO.

Way I see it too.

[ExxonValdez]

Yeah, I'm really bored of Hamilton since his Monaco whinning. And he's really a boring driver. Sad that he has all the British press on his side. But it goes with the territory. Hope Raikkonen or Alonso beat him pretty good at the end of the season so next season he will be a little bit humble towards "all those monkeys" in the grid...

I don't know, but since he was in GP2, I never liked this guy. Too many tricks on the track... I just never had any symphathy towards him.

[le chat noir]

Originally posted by president evil
Yep. Double standards. Shamilton pushed Massa nearly onto the grass at the start at Monza and its supposedly "fair but firm." When Alonso pushes Shamilton wide at La Source at Spa its the crime of the century. Dont dish it out Shammy unless you are prepared to take it.

that'll be because massa didn't have to go entirely off the circuit to avoid a collision then.


and then put hamilton off the circuit himself

[president evil]

I have nothing against the guy but to me he seems just a little TOO nice. Like he's a phony. Damon Hill or eg David Coulthard seem to be GENUINELY nice guys and yet Hamilton to me seems to be faking it. I dont trust him. It wouldn't surprise me to see him do something Schumacher or Senna-esque to win the title if needs be. Mind you it wouldn't suprise me of Alonso either! He has done bloody well this year in his first year in F1 but is it a coincidence that his performances of late have dropped off a little bit at the same time that Alonso decides to stop sharing his set up data ?

[le chat noir]

Originally posted by president evil
I have nothing against the guy but to me he seems just a little TOO nice. Like he's a phony. Damon Hill or eg David Coulthard seem to be GENUINELY nice guys and yet Hamilton to me seems to be faking it. I dont trust him. It wouldn't surprise me to see him do something Schumacher or Senna-esque to win the title if needs be. Mind you it wouldn't suprise me of Alonso either! He has done bloody well this year in his first year in F1 but is it a coincidence that his performances of late have dropped off a little bit at the same time that Alonso decides to stop sharing his set up data ?

he's certainly more ruthless than dh or dc, but we're yet to see if that'll get away from him.

no coincidence, he is a rookie and while he's experienced at racecraft (arguably more than the others as his competition has been more competitive), he's still relatively inexperienced at setting up a car, esp on circuits he doesn't know that well.

plus all he needs to do is beat fa to third in one more race, and can then let fa finish 3rd and him 4th in the other two to beat him. may still lose to kimi by a point though, so he'll be looking to massa to get one more win.

[GadgetMan]

Hamilton sure knows how to manipulate the British Press though...

Even Ronso said after Spa that what happened at the start of the race was business as usual in F1.

One thing about Fernando, whether you like him or not, he makes no bones about wanting to win and is willing to do what it takes on the track to get there. I'd rather take 10 Alonso's than a boring driver who'd rather play the percentages.

Alonso went for it all year long. Sometimes, he paid dearly for it like in Canada for example. But, at least, he provides the kind of racing entertainment that I can't get enough of. He's got balls of steel. How can we forget his memorable battles with Schumacher last year. That's what a champion should be like.

Hamilton is starting to look more and more like a little wiesel... He'll stab you behind the scene and sport his angel face in front of the public and the media. What he did in Hungary says a lot about the way he choses to fight ... I just don't like these kinds of characters.

GadgetMan

[Gareth]

Originally posted by GadgetMan
Hi all,

Is it me or are you also getting friggin annoyed with the way Hamilton keeps whining everytime he does not get his way during races?

Once again, after the Spa GP, he made sure to complain about something: this time, he's been whining about Alonso's move at the start, although he's pulled a lot of questionable moves himself so far this season.

After Monaco, he complained that the team told him to slow down after the second pit stop, conveniently remaining silent about the fact that McLaren had instructed both drivers, at the same time, to slow down so as to minimize the likelyhood of crashing. Moreover, Alonso beat him comprehensively all week end long in Monaco so Hamilton should have had the decency to shut up after the race. His complaints, aided and abetted by the British press, prompted an inquiry by the FIA into team orders at McLaren.

So Spa and Monaco. 2 comments to the press and you are tired of his whining? There are plenty of other drivers who have complained a lot more this season.

Originally posted by GadgetMan
Hamilton has pulled very agressive moves at the start of most races, the worst one at Monza against Massa.

How do you have a problem with Hamilton at the start of Monza and think he was whining at Spa?

At Monza, Hamilton left Massa a car's width of room at all times. At Spa, Alonso did not do the same for Hamilton. How you can have an issue with Monza but not with Spa is beyond me ...

[le chat noir]

Originally posted by GadgetMan
Hamilton sure knows how to manipulate the British Press though...

Even Ronso said after Spa that what happened at the start of the race was business as usual in F1.

One thing about Fernando, whether you like him or not, he makes no bones about wanting to win and is willing to do what it takes on the track to get there. I'd rather take 10 Alonso's than a boring driver who'd rather play the percentages.

Alonso went for it all year long. Sometimes, he paid dearly for it like in Canada for example. But, at least, he provides the kind of racing entertainment that I can't get enough of. He's got balls of steel. How can we forget his memorable battles with Schumacher last year. That's what a champion should be like.

Hamilton is starting to look more and more like a little wiesel... He'll stab you behind the scene and sport his angel face in front of the public and the media. What he did in Hungary says a lot about the way he choses to fight ... I just don't like these kinds of characters.

GadgetMan

oh come on. in hungary he made a split second decision that he thought would benefit the team and not harm alonso. rookie error.
alonso blatantly impeded his teammate, and then threatened his boss, and then made good the threat.

alonso has been going for it as he is chasing for the first time ever. beforehand he's always won by playing the percentages. hamilton is following that example now he is being chased, and he's tightening up because of it. if alonso overhauls him in china you'll see a more spectacular lewis in japan and brazil

[GadgetMan]

Originally posted by Gareth

So Spa and Monaco. 2 comments to the press and you are tired of his whining? There are plenty of other drivers who have complained a lot more this season.


How do you have a problem with Hamilton at the start of Monza and think he was whining at Spa?

At Monza, Hamilton left Massa a car's width of room at all times. At Spa, Alonso did not do the same for Hamilton. How you can have an issue with Monza but not with Spa is beyond me ...

At Spa, Hamilton had even more space with plenty of grip alongside the track, which he used to his advantage to come back in front of Alonso just before Eau Rouge. Massa locked his wheels in front of Alonso and the latter had to move to his left not to be caught up behind. As Alonso started going to his left, Massa realized he had to push ahead not to get overtaken and so he did. Fernando did his best to protect his position in a very difficult situation and everyone but Hamilton seem to think what he did was OK in the circumstances. Even Rion Dennis said so.

GadgetMan

[Tigershark]

Originally posted by president evil
I have nothing against the guy but to me he seems just a little TOO nice. Like he's a phony. Damon Hill or eg David Coulthard seem to be GENUINELY nice guys and yet Hamilton to me seems to be faking it. I dont trust him.

Hamilton strikes me as a smart guy who's very aware of his situation and seems to play his role perfectly. It's no wonder considering how he grew up. He was always going to be an F1 driver, no questions asked. In a way it seems like a dream come true for any young racer, but the teenager years shape your character perhaps more than any other time in a persons life. Be it good or bad, there's no denying Hamilton was affected by this whole circus around him. A friend of mine recently joked even his girlfriend was supplied by the McLaren organisation.;)

[DLaw]

Frankly yes.

Say all you want about the whole spygate, or whatever. It was the row between Ron and Fred that led to the "email" disclosure. Why was there a row? Spoiled brat didn't want to act on what was agreed on as a team and then couldn't keep his mouth shut before the stewards. And the rest is history.
Not to mention his bs at Monaco that led to an investigation.

Everyone wants to crucify Alonso while angelic Lewis is laghing his ass off.

Don't be too shock that Alonso might just stay at McLaren.

[kar]

Yes and no.

Personally a bit of antagonism is good 'for the sport'. I was a bit worried with Michael's retirement F1 might become a little too clinical. With characters like Fernando and Hamilton around I don't think that's likely to happen any time soon.

[Gareth]

Originally posted by GadgetMan
At Spa, Hamilton had even more space with plenty of grip alongside the track, which he used to his advantage to come back in front of Alonso just before Eau Rouge. Massa locked his wheels in front of Alonso and the latter had to move to his left not to be caught up behind. As Alonso started going to his left, Massa realized he had to push ahead not to get overtaken and so he did. Fernando did his best to protect his position in a very difficult situation and everyone but Hamilton seem to think what he did was OK in the circumstances. Even Rion Dennis said so.

GadgetMan

If there hadn't been the run off area at Spa your view would have been?

[GadgetMan]

Originally posted by le chat noir


oh come on. in hungary he made a split second decision that he thought would benefit the team and not harm alonso. rookie error.
alonso blatantly impeded his teammate, and then threatened his boss, and then made good the threat.

alonso has been going for it as he is chasing for the first time ever. beforehand he's always won by playing the percentages. hamilton is following that example now he is being chased, and he's tightening up because of it. if alonso overhauls him in china you'll see a more spectacular lewis in japan and brazil

Alonso played the percentages at the end of the season last year because he no longer had the car to beat Schumacher after the FIA showed up to screw Renault over the mass damper system.

GadgetMan

[GadgetMan]

Originally posted by Gareth
If there hadn't been the run off area at Spa your view would have been?

Speculation, my friend. There is this huge run off at Spa and every driver on the grid knows it.

GadgetMan

[DLaw]

Didn't Mansell used the run off as his line lap after lap?

[Gareth]

Originally posted by GadgetMan


Speculation, my friend. There is this huge run off at Spa and every driver on the grid knows it.

GadgetMan

Nice avoidence - because you know what the problem with your theory is.

Alonso deliberately avoided giving Hamilton any room, riding the curb on exit far higher than at any other time in the GP despite taking the corner at his lowest speed in the GP. And he did that for one reason: to run Hamilton out of track. I suspect he was rather disappointed to discover his move didn;t quite work as well as intended as the run off area conferred little disadvantage.

Compare and contrast this with Monza, where Hamilton left Massa a car's width at all times. yet Spa was fine and Monza bad? Please.

[Tenmantaylor]

I suspect Alonso did what he did on purpose but I doubt he would have done it had it been grass then a concrete wall like it was before the modifications.

A downside to these modern "safe" run offs me thinks.

[GadgetMan]

Originally posted by DLaw
Frankly yes.

Say all you want about the whole spygate, or whatever. It was the row between Ron and Fred that led to the "email" disclosure. Why was there a row? Spoiled brat didn't want to act on what was agreed on as a team and then couldn't keep his mouth shut before the stewards. And the rest is history.
Not to mention his bs at Monaco that led to an investigation.

Everyone wants to crucify Alonso while angelic Lewis is laghing his ass off.

Don't be too shock that Alonso might just stay at McLaren.

This is exactly how I feel. Hamilton demonstrated that he will stab anyone who shows up in his way. The problem I have with him is that he will do it behind the scene all the while projecting the "young, innocent, cute and refreshing' persona for public consumption.

I think his act has pretty much been unmasked by now for what he really is. He is as ruthless as the next guy to try to get his way and he should hone up to it and stop pretending to be this cute, innocent and clean F1 driver.

More importantly, he should shut the **** up after races, especially when his competition beats him comprehensively.

GadgetMan

[GadgetMan]

Originally posted by Gareth
Nice avoidence - because you know what the problem with your theory is.

Alonso deliberately avoided giving Hamilton any room, riding the curb on exit far higher than at any other time in the GP despite taking the corner at his lowest speed in the GP. And he did that for one reason: to run Hamilton out of track. I suspect he was rather disappointed to discover his move didn;t quite work as well as intended as the run off area conferred little disadvantage.

Compare and contrast this with Monza, where Hamilton left Massa a car's width at all times. yet Spa was fine and Monza bad? Please.

Absolutely not. The run off is part of the track at Spa. Hamilton being pushed on the run off did not put an end to his race. On the contrary, it allowed him to get ahead of Alonso just before Eau Rouge.

GadgetMan

[skylark68]

Yes.

Initially I felt him a breath of fresh air but he just seems to grate me in a way that makes me want him to lose. I was hopign his car would falter so Alonso could pull ahead and I don't necessarily like Alnoso. Some kind of weird psychological vibrations he emits?

[Gareth]

Originally posted by GadgetMan


Absolutely not. The run off is part of the track at Spa. Hamilton being pushed on the run off did not put an end to his race. On the contrary, it allowed him to get ahead of Alonso just before Eau Rouge.

GadgetMan

1. Why did Alonso ride the outside curb so high?

2. Do you know how the run down to Eau Rouge would have gone had Hamilton been left a car's width of room?

3. Since when has the area outside of a curb been considered "part of the track"?

On the subject of whining, I agree - it's always annoying when transparent excuses are made after a driver's been dominated for a weekend ...

[GadgetMan]

Originally posted by Gareth

1. Why did Alonso ride the outside curb so high?

2. Do you know how the run down to Eau Rouge would have gone had Hamilton been left a car's width of room?

3. Since when has the area outside of a curb been considered "part of the track"?

On the subject of whining, I agree - it's always annoying when transparent excuses are made after a driver's been dominated for a weekend ...

Alonso defended his position. That's racing. Moreover, the way Alonso did it, he did not put an end to Hamilton's race. Little whiner Hamilton could not keep up with Alonso thereafter and ended up finishing some 7 seconds behind Alonso.

So, what's your beef? The whiner did not get to finish ahead of Alonso? If he wanted to, all he had to do was stay close to Alonso and his fuel strategy would have allowed him to get ahead. But he could not stay close enough to Alonso and he ended up finishing 7 seconds behind.

Poor little boy. What does he do? He whines and complains that Fernando was not fair to him... Oh, poor little boy. Go cry to mamma !!!

GadgetMan

[Gareth]

Originally posted by GadgetMan


Alonso defended his position. That's racing. Moreover, the way Alonso did it, he did not put an end to Hamilton's race. Little whiner Hamilton could not keep up with Alonso thereafter and ended up finishing some 7 seconds behind Alonso.

So, what's your beef? The whiner did not get to finish ahead of Alonso? If he wanted to, all he had to do was stay close to Alonso and his fuel strategy would have allowed him to get ahead. But he could not stay close enough to Alonso and he ended up finishing 7 seconds behind.

Poor little boy. What does he do? He whines and complains that Fernando was not fair to him... Oh, poor little boy. Go cry to mamma !!!

GadgetMan

My beef is that you are fine with Alonso's move (apparently on the grounds that he defended his position and did not put an end to Hamilton's race) but not fine with Hamilton's move (which defended position, did not put an end to Massa's race and did not require Massa to move off circuit).

But if you are okay with your massive double standards then you are welcome to them.

[Tenmantaylor]

You seem to be whining more than the whiner.

[DLaw]

Give me one reason why Alonso should give Hamilton, Kimi or anybody else an extra half of an inch at this point?
If you watch the replay, Alonso had a locked up in the middle of La Source and understeer out, lucky he didn't use Hamilton as the brake.

Was it rough? Damn right it was, Grow up already.

[Gareth]

Originally posted by Tenmantaylor
You seem to be whining more than the whiner.

You talking about me, or the person who started the thread with a whine?

Isn't this fun - decribe any comment you want as a whine, thereby discrediting the comment without even having to address it.

[Gareth]

Originally posted by DLaw
Give me one reason why Alonso should give Hamilton, Kimi or anybody else an extra half of an inch at this point?
If you watch the replay, Alonso had a locked up in the middle of La Source and understeer out, lucky he didn't use Hamilton as the brake.

Was it rough? Damn right it was, Grow up already.

Did I say I had a problem with it or did I just say that someone who has an issue with Monza but thinks that Spa is fine has double standards?

Learn to read already.

[Jodum5]

HAmilton seems to be very hard on drivers (especially at the start) so I think he got what was coming to him at Spa.

Anyway I think he and Fernando while about equal amounts. Which is not much

[JSDSKI]

Originally posted by le chat noir

oh come on. in hungary he made a split second decision that he thought would benefit the team and not harm alonso. rookie error.

Come on, indeed. He made a split second decision to benefit himself in direct contradiction to Dennis's team strategy. Whether or not he even considered the decision's effect on Alonso is debatable, but I think he knew it would impede Alonso's strategy. He's a talented guy - but no sweetheart.

He should be on the grid for a long time. Certainly long enough for his fighting style to emerge. It will be interesting to see how long he will remain with McLaren if they fall off the pace for a year or two and his contract is ending. I suspect he will be off to the fastest car and highest bidder.

[GadgetMan]

Originally posted by Gareth

My beef is that you are fine with Alonso's move (apparently on the grounds that he defended his position and did not put an end to Hamilton's race) but not fine with Hamilton's move (which defended position, did not put an end to Massa's race and did not require Massa to move off circuit).

But if you are okay with your massive double standards then you are welcome to them.

What I don't like his Hamilton's hypocrisy. I hope this is clear enough for you???

I think it's fair to say that Ron Dennis cannot be accused of showing preference towards Alonso versus Hamilton... Yet, Ron says that the move at the start of the Spa GP is OK and nothing to complain about.

Yet, Hamilton is showing a propensity to complain when he does not get his way. He did so in Monaco, causing the FIA to investigate HIS OWN TEAM. He did it again in Hungary when HE is the one who initiated a complaint to the race Stewards against his teammate and HIS OWN TEAM, while knowing that he had blatantly disregarded agreed upon team strategy for qualifying. For the uninformed TV viewer, it sure appeared like poor Hamilton was wronged in Hungary, until we all heard what really happened.

As for the bullshit about Alonso blackmailing Ron Dennis in Hungary in order to obtain Number 1 status in the team, this is utter bulllshit. What Alonso asked for in Hungary was to be freed to leave the team at the end of the season, which, everything considered, was quite a legitimate demand from his part after the way Hamilton had played a more too willing media to get away with screwing his teammate and his own team.

The way Hamilton goes about his business is disingenuous and hypocritical.

Do you get my drift, now???

GadgetMan

[jigc]

Lewis,

this is racing, pls whin it at the track.

[DLaw]

Did I say I had a problem with it or did I just say that someone who has an issue with Monza but thinks that Spa is fine has double standards?

Did I say I don't have a problem with either incidents?

BOTH are rough but I didn't here Massa moaned and bitched and on and on about how close and tight he is with the team.

[GadgetMan]

Irrespective of one's move or the other's move, it's the way Hamilton goes about his business, which is basically stabbing behind the scene all the while projecting a holyier than thou image that I find a bit tiring with him.

GadgetMan

[Gareth]

Originally posted by GadgetMan


What I don't like his Hamilton's hypocrisy. I hope this is clear enough for you???

I think it's fair to say that Ron Dennis cannot be accused of showing preference towards Alonso versus Hamilton... Yet, Ron says that the move at the start of the Spa GP is OK and nothing to complain about.

Yet, Hamilton is showing a propensity to complain when he does not get his way. He did so in Monaco, causing the FIA to investigate HIS OWN TEAM. He did it again in Hungary when HE is the one who initiated a complaint to the race Stewards against his teammate and HIS OWN TEAM, while knowing that he had blatantly disregarded agreed upon team strategy for qualifying. For the uninformed TV viewer, it sure appeared like poor Hamilton was wronged in Hungary, until we all heard what really happened.

As for the bullshit about Alonso blackmailing Ron Dennis in Hungary in order to obtain Number 1 status in the team, this is utter bulllshit. What Alonso asked for in Hungary was to be freed to leave the team at the end of the season, which, everything considered, was quite a legitimate demand from his part after the way Hamilton had played a more too willing media to get away with screwing his teammate and his own team.

The way Hamilton goes about his business is disingenuous and hypocritical.

Do you get my drift, now???

GadgetMan

It usually helps when quoting someone's post if your reply bears some relation to the content of the post. But nice attempt at a subject change. Regardless ...

Hamilton at Monaco and Hungary - both pretty rubbish from Hamilton. Monaco was more understandable, but still poor form.

Alonso's threat to Ron - he apologised for it, which tells you what you need to know about it being a legitimate demand or not.

Your opinion on Alonso at Spa as compared to Hamilton at Monza - pretty disingenuous and hypocritical, perhaps you and Hamilton share something in common, eh?

[Gareth]

Originally posted by DLaw


Did I say I don't have a problem with either incidents?

BOTH are rough but I didn't here Massa moaned and bitched and on and on about how close and tight he is with the team.

Perhaps I misunderstood where your "grow up already" comment was directed - if at Hamilton, fair enough and apologies for my last post. It was my misunderstanding.

[le chat noir]

Originally posted by JSDSKI


Come on, indeed. He made a split second decision to benefit himself in direct contradiction to Dennis's team strategy. Whether or not he even considered the decision's effect on Alonso is debatable, but I think he knew it would impede Alonso's strategy. He's a talented guy - but no sweetheart.

He should be on the grid for a long time. Certainly long enough for his fighting style to emerge. It will be interesting to see how long he will remain with McLaren if they fall off the pace for a year or two and his contract is ending. I suspect he will be off to the fastest car and highest bidder.

well it was split second and it was to his benefit, in the belief that letting alonso by would be to his detriment. but it wasn't done unfairly, and the affect on alonso is debatable. it may have broken an agreed strategy, but it did not break the rules and nor would it have hurt the team - we saw alonso had the speed for the front row.

alonso's was probably also split second, and could only hurt lewis, and in breaking the rules (thus acting unfairly) it had the potential to hurt the team - which it did (supposing the appeal doesn't go through), plus all the following stuff. i don't really want to get into it, but there's no way you can rate alonso's actions better than lewis' that weekend, and that's all i meant.

which driver wouldn't be off to the fastest car and highest bidder? isn't that always the balance they have to make?

[dworsham]

nope., just tired of FAs primadonna antics

gotta love a real team player / team builder

[ViMaMo]

I don't see any problem with Alonso running Lewis off the track. And Lewis did his normal thing and whined in the conf. Thats okay by me, but it was never unfair.

Ans NO i'm not annoyed at Lewis whining.

THE FANS ARE MAKING IT A BIG DEAL OUT OF IT, MAKING ALONSO LOOK LIKE THE VILLIAN. Thats annoying , perhaps they see only what they want to see.

Originally posted by dworsham
gotta love a real team player / team builder

Is anyone not tired of this ****, team player, team builder, blah blah. Is this Mr.Michael Schumacher syndrome? I'm sick of it. Lets see some team building. That will be the day. Some sort of management course is this? Don't care for what happens off track, thats killing F1. I want to see some great races for the reminder of the season.

Anyday he is a fantastic driver. Everyone whines, Michael whined whenever Mclaren beat him or when the Williams were giving him a hard time esp JPM.

[dworsham]

Originally posted by vivian
I don't see any problem with Alonso running Lewis off the track. And Lewis did his normal thing and whined in the conf. Thats okay by me, but it was never unfair.

Ans NO i'm not annoyed at Lewis whining.

THE FANS ARE MAKING IT A BIG DEAL OUT OF IT, MAKING ALONSO LOOK LIKE THE VILLIAN. Thats annoying , perhaps they see only what they want to see.



Is anyone not tired of this ****, team player, team builder, blah blah. Is this Mr.Michael Schumacher syndrome? I'm sick of it. Lets see some team building. That will be the day. Some sort of management course is this? Don't care for what happens off track, thats killing F1. I want to see some great races for the reminder of the season.

Anyday he is a fantastic driver. Everyone whines, Michael whined whenever Mclaren beat him or when the Williams were giving him a hard time esp JPM.

what a joke., perhaps your great driver should design his car, build his car, get his sponsors, manage everyone. F1 is not an individual sport., it is a team.

and i did not mention shumi - you did. that guy is long gone. that is an era past. perhaps this -- FA and spying and the scandal -- is the new era, i hope not. but it sure seems like the self important, me, me, me., win win win at all cost bullshite that has drained the real competition out of sport.

demand better

[Bruce]

Originally posted by le chat noir

oh come on. in hungary he made a split second decision that he thought would benefit the team and not harm alonso. rookie error.

Er - where do you get that idea from? He thought it would benefit the team and not hurt Alonso? How would it benefit the "team"? If it didn't hurt Alonso, then surely it wouldn't have hurt Hamilton to let Alonso onto his strategy, no?

Hamilton knew what he was doing.

Originally posted by le chat noir

alonso blatantly impeded his teammate, and then threatened his boss, and then made good the threat.

Splitting hairs, but I believe that RD obviated the need for Alonso to make good on the threat....

Originally posted by le chat noir
if alonso overhauls him in china you'll see a more spectacular lewis in japan and brazil

Dunno about that - If Hamilton COULD overhaul Alonso he'd be doing it now. If Alonso passes Hamilton, I expect you'll see more desperation from hamilton, and that will likely translate to mistakes like the one at the end of the Belgian race...

[rbdwin]

Poll: Should GadgetMan stop beating his spouse (girlfriend/boyfriend/whatever)?

[bl-f1]

Originally posted by DLaw
Frankly yes.

Say all you want about the whole spygate, or whatever. It was the row between Ron and Fred that led to the "email" disclosure. Why was there a row? Spoiled brat didn't want to act on what was agreed on as a team and then couldn't keep his mouth shut before the stewards. And the rest is history.
Not to mention his bs at Monaco that led to an investigation.

Everyone wants to crucify Alonso while angelic Lewis is laghing his ass off.

Don't be too shock that Alonso might just stay at McLaren.

Yep. In addition, those of us who think we know a little bit about British mentality have a feeling that when all is known there will be justice in public opinion, which in Britain is quite flexible. You can not manipulate the press for any length of time if you do not deliver the goods of high moral standards, probity and competence that are so appreciated in Britain. Whatever the truth is it will come out, and then most people will be fair. They may still wish for a British driver to win, but not if he turns out to be a spoilt brat and, crucially, if he turns out not to be any faster than his team mate once the rookie season is over.

Same for Alonso.

Next season should be even better.

[ViMaMo]

Originally posted by dworsham



what a joke., perhaps your great driver should design his car, build his car, get his sponsors, manage everyone. F1 is not an individual sport., it is a team.

and i did not mention shumi - you did. that guy is long gone. that is an era past. perhaps this -- FA and spying and the scandal -- is the new era, i hope not. but it sure seems like the self important, me, me, me., win win win at all cost bullshite that has drained the real competition out of sport.

demand better

Win at all costs has been the motivation of Senna, Schumacher, Alonso.
Don't blame FA for the spy scandal. Don't blame FA for coming into Mc and acting like a jckas. Ron's policy is backfiring on him. Running two high profile drivers with potential attitude problems. He did that mistake with JPM and again with Alonso.

Though Alonso has gone a bit far with his attitude, Ron shouldn't have brought him into Mac while knowing FA enjoyed a No1 status at renault and that he did prefer that.

Nobody but Ron himself should know what could be explosive and what will work. He seems to think he can handle everything. Ron has been in this business for years, he should know better.

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All drivers whine when they lose. No driver likes getting beaten so Hamilton whining or Alonso is not news really but some people seemed to think it was just an Alonso thing. Look at what Trulli said in 2004 when he started losing, he claimed the team sabotaged him. They all do it and if you dont then you must not mind losing which means you are a loser.